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Title: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: corbe on May 26, 2017, 02:23:09 am

Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says

by
Bill Allison

‎May‎ ‎25‎, ‎2017‎ ‎5‎:‎47‎ ‎PM


U.S. Senator Ted Cruz improperly accounted for loans he received from Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc. during his 2012 campaign, saying the funds were his own personal contributions to the Senate race, the Federal Election Commission said Thursday.

The finding, released on the FEC website, marked a rare instance of agreement among the agency’s five commissioners, who voted unanimously that the $1.1 million of loans from the banks should have been disclosed to voters. The FEC didn’t say whether there would be a penalty.

Under federal election law, candidates can take out loans from commercial banks as long as they disclose the source of funds, the interest rate they are paying and the term of the loan. They can also lend or give their campaigns unlimited amounts from personal funds.

In his bid for the Senate, Cruz said that he was financing his bid in part with personal funds, liquidating assets to compete in an expensive runoff election against a well-funded candidate. Cruz’s 2012 financial disclosure showed that he hadn’t sold enough assets to be able to lend his campaign as much as he had claimed. It also listed personal loans from Goldman Sachs, where his wife was an executive, and Citigroup.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-25/ted-cruz-failed-to-show-2012-loans-from-goldman-sachs-fec-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-25/ted-cruz-failed-to-show-2012-loans-from-goldman-sachs-fec-says)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2017, 02:39:16 am
From Jan 2016:


https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign)

So why is this story being republished now?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: anubias on May 26, 2017, 02:41:19 am
From Jan 2016:


https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign)

So why is this story being republished now?

To stir the stink.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: libertybele on May 26, 2017, 02:43:15 am
From Jan 2016:


https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign)

So why is this story being republished now?

Exactly.  The DEMS are going after everyone!!  You wait ... next they'll be accusing Cruz of colluding with the Russians.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: corbe on May 26, 2017, 02:44:47 am
   Really good question @Hoodat why now?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: EC on May 26, 2017, 03:16:42 am
   Really good question @Hoodat why now?

The hearing finished yesterday.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: corbe on May 26, 2017, 03:34:03 am
The hearing finished yesterday.

   Good point @EC and I'll shamelessly admit I read the Article before I posted it.
   The @Hoodat post got me thinking about this massive media Conspiracy against Cruz and the many leaks inside his 2020 Campaign.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 26, 2017, 03:38:12 am
   Good point @EC and I'll shamelessly admit I read the Article before I posted it.
   The @Hoodat post got me thinking about this massive media Conspiracy against Cruz and the many leaks inside his 2020 Campaign.

GD Lyin' Ted living up to his name. When is someone going to have the courage to get a Special Prosecutor into his shenanigans?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: berdie on May 26, 2017, 03:55:54 am
Exactly.  The DEMS are going after everyone!!  You wait ... next they'll be accusing Cruz of colluding with the Russians.

Or his great grandfather being in cahoots with John Wilkes Booth./s
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Night Hides Not on May 26, 2017, 01:53:03 pm
Or his great grandfather being in cahoots with John Wilkes Booth./s

Or his great-great-uncle being involved with the assassination of William McKinley?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: endicom on May 26, 2017, 02:00:30 pm
Or his great-great-uncle being involved with the assassination of William McKinley?


Remember the Maine!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: skeeter on May 26, 2017, 02:18:17 pm
My understanding was it wasn't so much an attempt to conceal the loan (other required forms were filed) than it was an oversight - the failure to file a particular form.

Thats not clear in this article.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: EC on May 26, 2017, 02:20:02 pm
My understanding was it wasn't so much an attempt to conceal the loan (other required forms were filed) than it was an oversight - the failure to file a particular form.

Thats not clear in this article.

That's how I remember it.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: bigheadfred on May 26, 2017, 02:27:53 pm
The Cruz Connection to the Moneychangers can only mean one thing. The Cruz family colluded to killed JC.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: austingirl on May 26, 2017, 02:32:51 pm
That's how I remember it.  :shrug:

Same here.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Night Hides Not on May 26, 2017, 02:37:02 pm
My understanding was it wasn't so much an attempt to conceal the loan (other required forms were filed) than it was an oversight - the failure to file a particular form.

Thats not clear in this article.

When it comes to the vagaries of filling out forms for Big Bureaucracy, Albert Einstein said it best:

Quote
This is too difficult for a mathematician. It takes a philosopher. The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.

Think about it, one of the smartest men who ever lived did not prepare his own taxes.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: SirLinksALot on May 26, 2017, 02:50:07 pm
CRIPES, are we going to rehash this again?

Ohhh, I forgot, 2018 comes soon....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: skeeter on May 26, 2017, 02:50:47 pm
When it comes to the vagaries of filling out forms for Big Bureaucracy, Albert Einstein said it best:

Think about it, one of the smartest men who ever lived did not prepare his own taxes.

And Einstein died in 1955. The federal tax code has expanded by about a billion pages since then.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: bigheadfred on May 26, 2017, 02:53:04 pm
You can only rehash the rehashed hash so many times before it turns to slime.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 26, 2017, 02:54:00 pm
CRIPES, are we going to rehash this again?

Ohhh, I forgot, 2018 comes soon....


Considering the fact that the loan was paid off and the filing amended, this ranks right up there with not paying the tax on a $5 parking ticket.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: XenaLee on May 26, 2017, 03:04:20 pm
Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says

by
Bill Allison

‎May‎ ‎25‎, ‎2017‎ ‎5‎:‎47‎ ‎PM


U.S. Senator Ted Cruz improperly accounted for loans he received from Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc. during his 2012 campaign, saying the funds were his own personal contributions to the Senate race, the Federal Election Commission said Thursday.

The finding, released on the FEC website, marked a rare instance of agreement among the agency’s five commissioners, who voted unanimously that the $1.1 million of loans from the banks should have been disclosed to voters. The FEC didn’t say whether there would be a penalty.

Under federal election law, candidates can take out loans from commercial banks as long as they disclose the source of funds, the interest rate they are paying and the term of the loan. They can also lend or give their campaigns unlimited amounts from personal funds.

In his bid for the Senate, Cruz said that he was financing his bid in part with personal funds, liquidating assets to compete in an expensive runoff election against a well-funded candidate. Cruz’s 2012 financial disclosure showed that he hadn’t sold enough assets to be able to lend his campaign as much as he had claimed. It also listed personal loans from Goldman Sachs, where his wife was an executive, and Citigroup.

<..snip..>

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-25/ted-cruz-failed-to-show-2012-loans-from-goldman-sachs-fec-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-25/ted-cruz-failed-to-show-2012-loans-from-goldman-sachs-fec-says)

Who gives a crap?  Really?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: XenaLee on May 26, 2017, 03:06:31 pm
GD Lyin' Ted living up to his name. When is someone going to have the courage to get a Special Prosecutor into his shenanigans?

Ye jest.  But know.... that someone.... somewhere.... is uttering those same words in serious.   ^-^
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Bigun on May 26, 2017, 03:08:58 pm
Who gives a crap?  Really?

They are D E S P A R A T E ! ! !
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: catfish1957 on May 26, 2017, 03:30:18 pm

Remember the Maine!

My genealogy records show Lyin' Teds g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g grandfather Brutus gave Ceasar a pointed back massage.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2017, 03:35:32 pm
My genealogy records show Lyin' Teds g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g grandfather Brutus gave Ceasar a pointed back massage.

While attending college, Cruz conspired to tear a tag off of a mattress.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A3vxdQzjwm8/Tcimsbl4S5I/AAAAAAAALc0/wh19rFGr3o8/s1600/008.JPG)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: jpsb on May 26, 2017, 03:40:29 pm
From Jan 2016:


https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-14/ted-cruz-says-he-may-amend-u-s-financial-disclosures-to-show-loans-to-2012-senate-campaign)

So why is this story being republished now?

Nothing is being republished, the FEC investigated and just recently released it findings.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 26, 2017, 03:41:25 pm
I see the alt right turds are getting into the act again on twitter. They're pimping the birther BS and the JFK/Cruz conspiracy crap. And my personal favorite, Heidi Cruz "Wrote NAFTA" when she was a teenager.

Makes me wonder what they're upset about.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: jpsb on May 26, 2017, 03:46:41 pm
Same here.

Well then let me refresh your memory. Cruz made a BIG DEAL out of him and Heidi having to sell all/most of their assets to fund Ted's campaign. He used that story line just about all the time. Turns out that was not true, he borrowed against his assets he did not sell them as he claimed. In short Ted was lying to the voters of Texas.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2017, 04:30:38 pm
Well then let me refresh your memory. Cruz made a BIG DEAL out of him and Heidi having to sell all/most of their assets to fund Ted's campaign.

Complete unadulterated bullshit.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2017, 04:47:53 pm
July 9, 2012 - Financial disclosure to the US Senate

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYpaiGHWAAAYqCx.png)

Go figure.  Goldman Sachs loan against his assets disclosed by Ted Cruz in 2012.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Night Hides Not on May 26, 2017, 04:55:39 pm
And Einstein died in 1955. The federal tax code has expanded by about a billion pages since then.

The emergence of computerized tax programs has saved the lives of countless Congress critters, the people who pass these abhorrent tax laws. They rest easier, knowing that programmers will write the code for these programs.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: bigheadfred on May 26, 2017, 04:58:21 pm
I see the alt right turds are getting into the act again on twitter. They're pimping the birther BS and the JFK/Cruz conspiracy crap. And my personal favorite, Heidi Cruz "Wrote NAFTA" when she was a teenager.

Makes me wonder what they're upset about.

I think they are shouting against the wind.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: austingirl on May 26, 2017, 05:02:32 pm
Well then let me refresh your memory. Cruz made a BIG DEAL out of him and Heidi having to sell all/most of their assets to fund Ted's campaign. He used that story line just about all the time. Turns out that was not true, he borrowed against his assets he did not sell them as he claimed. In short Ted was lying to the voters of Texas.

Nope.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Bigun on May 26, 2017, 05:07:48 pm
I think they are shouting against the wind.

Yep!  Very much so! They know it and it's killing them!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: XenaLee on May 26, 2017, 05:09:16 pm
While attending college, Cruz conspired to tear a tag off of a mattress.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A3vxdQzjwm8/Tcimsbl4S5I/AAAAAAAALc0/wh19rFGr3o8/s1600/008.JPG)

Yes, but.... in his defense.... he actually WAS the consumer.   ^-^
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: XenaLee on May 26, 2017, 05:10:40 pm
July 9, 2012 - Financial disclosure to the US Senate

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYpaiGHWAAAYqCx.png)

Go figure.  Goldman Sachs loan against his assets disclosed by Ted Cruz in 2012.

Hmm.... looks like Lyin Ted wasn't lyin after all.  I'm.... shocked!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: skeeter on May 26, 2017, 05:11:25 pm
I think they are shouting against the wind.

You can't grow that kind of stupidity in a petri dish. Cruz is now an ally, yet the yapping chihuahuas  can't let go of it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: Sanguine on May 26, 2017, 05:15:18 pm
Yes, but.... in his defense.... he actually WAS the consumer.   ^-^

Did he disclose it?  And, on the proper form?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: bigheadfred on May 26, 2017, 05:22:23 pm
Yes, but.... in his defense.... he actually WAS the consumer.   ^-^

Did he disclose it?  And, on the proper form?

Disclose that he ate a mattress tag? Nah. They found it picking through his sh.....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Failed to Show 2012 Loans From Goldman Sachs, FEC Says
Post by: driftdiver on May 26, 2017, 05:27:10 pm
It was a stupid issue then and is even stupider to bring it up now