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McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
By John Bowden - 02/17/18 04:39 PM EST
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) says in a new interview that he expects to see Republicans lose seats in the House and Senate this year as the party pushes to retain its majorities in Congress ahead of the 2018 midterm elections.
The top Republican in the Senate told The New York Times for a story published Saturday that "the odds are" his party will face losses in both chambers of Congress this year.
“The odds are that we will lose seats in the House and the Senate,†McConnell said.
“History tells you that, the fired-up nature of the political left tells you that. We go into this cleareyed that this is going to be quite a challenging election," he added.
McConnell also acknowledged a fundraising deficit faced by some GOP Senate candidates in key states, a figure he attributed to those challenging incumbent Democratic senators.
“I concede the fund-raising problem,†McConnell said.
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THE GOP deserves to lose.
There is no reason whatsoever to vote for their party or anyone in it.
They have fully illustrated that there is no difference in results of you vote for a Democrat or a Republican - because the end result will be the Democrat agenda being funded, strengthened and permanently entrenched.
This is why the GOP will lose in November.
People now recognize there is no reason to vote for them, and they are not excited or willing to crawl over broken glass to elect them.
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With a leader like Mitch how can they not lose?
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Building a wall? Nope...
Repealed Obamacare? Nope...
Cut spending? Nope...
Deported the known illegals? Nope...
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I think the party wants to lose. Used to be they had the excuse of being in the minority to cover up their incompetence and lying. But then they got the majority and still couldn't or wouldn't keep their promises. No more excuses. If the party goes back to being in the minority again, they will have that as their excuse again.
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With leaders like MS Lindsey Graham and Michelle McConnell it is a forgone conclusion that the party is fubar'd in 18
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McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
I have always found that I usually find what I expect to find. I very rarely find what I don't expect to find.
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I have always found that I usually find what I expect to find. I very rarely find what I don't expect to find.
I have always found that you can't always get what you want.
But if you try sometimes, well you just might find, you get what you need.
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I have always found that you can't always get what you want.
But if you try sometimes, well you just might find, you get what you need.
I don't believe I have seen your posts before. Please allow me to introduce myself.
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I don't believe I have seen your posts before. Please allow me to introduce myself.
Pleased to meet you
Are you a man of wealth and taste?
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Pleased to meet you
Are you a man of wealth and taste?
Actually, I am the eggman coo coo kachoo.
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With a leader like Mitch how can they not lose?
Honestly I think it's what he wants to happen.
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Actually, I am the eggman coo coo kachoo.
A rolling stone will crush a beatle.
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Honestly I think it's what he wants to happen.
Honestly, I think you're right.
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Honestly, I think you're right.
Reminds me of the little kid on my son's grade school basketball team. More than anything he was terrified someone would pass him the ball.
On the rare occasions someone did he treated it like a volleyball and wacked it to the nearest like colored jersey. More often the other team picked it up.
Thats Mitch.
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There are vulnerable seats in the Senate on both sides. That will likely be a wash. The House, on the other hand, is a different matter. It’s difficult to see if the GOP will remain in control.
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This guy running the Senate is the worst cheerleader for the party I can imagine.
Step aside, Mitch, and let some with some spirit take control.
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Well, well, McConnell will more than likely get his wish. Once the DEMS retake the Senate and possibly the House, impeachment proceedings will certainly be on 'their' agenda. I look for full-blown amnesty, shredding of the 2nd amendment and a massive immigration/refugee influx. The GOP will be finished and this country will be transformed.
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Well, well, McConnell will more than likely get his wish. Once the DEMS retake the Senate and possibly the House, impeachment proceedings will certainly be on 'their' agenda. I look for full-blown amnesty, shredding of the 2nd amendment and a massive immigration/refugee influx. The GOP will be finished and this country will be transformed.
It was already fundamentally transformed - Obama simply weaponized the Alphabets and all agencies to be political praetorians of the Oligarchy's new order. Elected officials come and go - appointed judges, czars, FBI-CIA-ATF and political officers remain. They are there to ensure we march to Full blown Socialism, regardless of who is elected office - and make no mistake - both parties have told us and shown us that BOTH of them intend to take us down that road, regardless of what we the People want.
As Hildabeast famously said - “We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices … Government has to make those choices for peopleâ€.
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Building a wall? Nope...
Repealed Obamacare? Nope...
Cut spending? Nope...
Deported the known illegals? Nope...
Only way to do any of those things would be to do away with the filibuster. Just saying. Otherwise without a 60 vote majority, mcconnell is pretty impotent.
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What a douche. Numbers wise, the Senate GOP is in the best position to retain the majority in a long time, because there are so few seats to defend. Yet, McConnell expects to lose.
Again, what a weak spined douche.
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What a douche. Numbers wise, the Senate GOP is in the best position to retain the majority in a long time, because there are so few seats to defend. Yet, McConnell expects to lose.
Again, what a weak spined douche.
The party is essentially throwing it all away. Since there is no real difference between the two parties anymore, liberals like McConnell really don't care which liberals from which party are in charge. It is to their advantage to be in the minority because if they are in the minority, they no longer have to find excuses for not doing what they promised the voters.
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The party is essentially throwing it all away. Since there is no real difference between the two parties anymore, liberals like McConnell really don't care which liberals from which party are in charge. It is to their advantage to be in the minority because if they are in the minority, they no longer have to find excuses for not doing what they promised the voters.
As I stated in the beginning of last year; the leadership in both Houses didn't change. Unless that leadership changes, don't expect change. A strong conservative is needed to lead the Senate and the House; instead we have mamby pamby liberals leading (?) the charge. IF (and IMHO we will) we lose our majority you can kiss any chance of future conservative candidates being seated and certainly we won't see a conservative seated in the oval office. Thay has been the goal of McConnell and cronies for a very long time.
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Well, well, McConnell will more than likely get his wish. Once the DEMS retake the Senate and possibly the House, impeachment proceedings will certainly be on 'their' agenda. I look for full-blown amnesty, shredding of the 2nd amendment and a massive immigration/refugee influx. The GOP will be finished and this country will be transformed.
@libertybele
I expect Dems will have the majority of senate and perhaps, the house. They will do as you say, and Trump will have to veto everything they send to him. So, no law they pass will take effect unless the Dems have 2/3 majority to override his veto.
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@libertybele
I expect Dems will have the majority of senate and perhaps, the house. They will do as you say, and Trump will have to veto everything they send to him. So, no law they pass will take effect unless the Dems have 2/3 majority to override his veto.
If the Dems take over... they'll do everything we have wanted GOP leadership to do. Change the rules. Do away with the filibuster and turn passage of all legislation and judges into simple majority.
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Gosh how I love all the defeatist and negative nellies. We might as well just give up eh.
Mitch doesn't care so why would he fight for it.
He can't lead us in victory why would we follow him to defeat.
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If the Dems take over... they'll do everything we have wanted GOP leadership to do. Change the rules. Do away with the filibuster and turn passage of all legislation and judges into simple majority.
@txradioguy
That will be the first thing they do, change the rules. Then, Trump will have to veto, surely he will - or not. Again, if they have 2/3 majority to override his veto, they will. If they have 2/3 majority they will impeach.
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THE GOP deserves to lose.
There is no reason whatsoever to vote for their party or anyone in it.
They have fully illustrated that there is no difference in results of you vote for a Democrat or a Republican - because the end result will be the Democrat agenda being funded, strengthened and permanently entrenched.
This is why the GOP will lose in November.
People now recognize there is no reason to vote for them, and they are not excited or willing to crawl over broken glass to elect them.
No. If the GOP loses it will be because of foolish voters like you. Those who believe that because the party can't give them every single thing they want...it should be removed from power, and replaced by a radically left party. Such people, because they likely have never experienced civil conflict or war, hope that this will cause an explosion in the country that will somehow end with some sort of fundamentalist-extreme right...but benevolent...dictatorship (disturbingly akin to German conservatives seeking to blow up the old Weimar government between the World wars). Like those German conservatives, the real result will likely not be anything remotely similar to their hoped for outcome.
If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule. The only possible result of such a tactic is that extremism eventually emerges victorious...be that of the Leftist or Rightist variety. Such people, driven by radical Marxism or an equally idiotic desire to bring on some sort of religious American apocalypse, are the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic.
Its always appealing to sit back and say "the whole system must be blown up" or "they're all the same"...its the intellectually lazy choice, and that makes it dangerous. Its dangerous because the ignorant and the foolish believe this simple wrong over the much more complex truth...why think if you can simply chant an idiotic slogan like "throw them all out" or "Bush lied, people died" or even "its the Jews". People easily assume that "blowing up" the system will end with a new and "clean" government that is magically and benevolently right in line with their own ideology and moral view of the world....because they WANT to believe such a thing. Quite simply, its more likely that unicorns will populate the great plains.
If we on the right give in to this kind of simpleton rhetoric, we will end up in some sort of horrific civil conflict OR...best case...endure a lifetime of living under the Far Left's version of political Nirvana. Or worse...the darkest elements of the Far Right will somehow emerge and destroy our liberties as surely as the Far Left would.
Let's...for the love of God...not give in to such a dark and empty dream. Democracy...as it exists within our Republic...has ever been an ugly and blunt tool for expressing the will of the people. Yet it is, without doubt, the best such means of governance the world has yet invented. As such, it is not only our best hope for overcoming the dark ideologies of the political extremes...it is our only hope.
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No. If the GOP loses it will be because of foolish voters like you. Those who believe that because the party can't give them every single thing they want...it should be removed from power, and replaced by a radically left party. Such people, because they likely have never experienced civil conflict or war, hope that this will cause an explosion in the country that will somehow end with some sort of fundamentalist-extreme right...but benevolent...dictatorship (disturbingly akin to German conservatives seeking to blow up the old Weimar government between the World wars). Like those German conservatives, the real result will likely not be anything remotely similar to their hoped for outcome.
If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule. The only possible result of such a tactic is that extremism eventually emerges victorious...be that of the Leftist or Rightist variety. Such people, driven by radical Marxism or an equally idiotic desire to bring on some sort of religious American apocalypse, are the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic.
Its always appealing to sit back and say "the whole system must be blown up" or "they're all the same"...its the intellectually lazy choice, and that makes it dangerous. Its dangerous because the ignorant and the foolish believe this simple wrong over the much more complex truth...why think if you can simply chant an idiotic slogan like "throw them all out" or "Bush lied, people died" or even "its the Jews". People easily assume that "blowing up" the system will end with a new and "clean" government that is magically and benevolently right in line with their own ideology and moral view of the world....because they WANT to believe such a thing. Quite simply, its more likely that unicorns will populate the great plains.
If we on the right give in to this kind of simpleton rhetoric, we will end up in some sort of horrific civil conflict OR...best case...endure a lifetime of living under the Far Left's version of political Nirvana. Or worse...the darkest elements of the Far Right will somehow emerge and destroy our liberties as surely as the Far Left would.
Let's...for the love of God...not give in to such a dark and empty dream. Democracy...as it exists within our Republic...has ever been an ugly and blunt tool for expressing the will of the people. Yet it is, without doubt, the best such means of governance the world has yet invented. As such, it is not only our best hope for overcoming the dark ideologies of the political extremes...it is our only hope.
Still lost in an orange haze and in complete denial of reality I see.
Sad.
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Still lost in an orange haze and in complete denial of reality I see.
Sad.
What is sad, is that the best refutation you have is a simple insult of the president and a baseless assertion of denial. There is not a point in what I wrote that is not demonstrably supported by the history of this nation and of political systems in general. Those who criticize the GOP and our President for what they have not achieved choose to ignore that the very form of our Republic limits what a narrow majority can constitutionally achieve...and they selectively ignore the major items that HAVE been achieved. So your adjective "sad" is appropriate, you just don't understand what it applies to.
And frankly, even your childish insult "orange" is misplaced...as never once did I invoke the President in my posting.
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Gosh how I love all the defeatist and negative nellies. We might as well just give up eh.
Mitch doesn't care so why would he fight for it.
He can't lead us in victory why would we follow him to defeat.
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Defeatist and negative? Nope. Realistic? yes.
It's long past time for us to realize the Republican Party is dying... or more accurately, is committing suicide. It really doesn't want to live. There is no real difference between the two parties anymore and hasn't been for a long time. Since the party has decided it will not embrace conservativism, what's left is liberalism. This country can't sustain two liberal parties. One will have to go, and that one will be the Republican Party.
Trying to save the Republican Party is a waste of time. It doesn't want to be saved. So why should any of us even try? To save us from the Democrats? The Republican Party is the Democrat Party. A viable alternative to the Rats doesn't exist anymore.
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Not going to lose seats in the senate. They should pick up at least 3
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Gosh how I love all the defeatist and negative nellies. We might as well just give up eh.
Mitch doesn't care so why would he fight for it.
He can't lead us in victory why would we follow him to defeat.
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Defeatist and negative? Nope. Realistic? yes.
It's long past time for us to realize the Republican Party is dying... or more accurately, is committing suicide. It really doesn't want to live. There is no real difference between the two parties anymore and hasn't been for a long time. Since the party has decided it will not embrace conservativism, what's left is liberalism. This country can't sustain two liberal parties. One will have to go, and that one will be the Republican Party.
Trying to save the Republican Party is a waste of time. It doesn't want to be saved. So why should any of us even try? To save us from the Democrats? The Republican Party is the Democrat Party. A viable alternative to the Rats doesn't exist anymore.
The difference between the parties is stark...and clear as a bell. It is quite literally the difference between a Justice Thomas and a Justice Sotomayor....the difference between weaponizing the organs of government against a rival party, and not doing so...the difference between defeating ISIS and allowing it to metastasize into a regional power...and these differences go on interminably. Do not mistake the GOP's lack of conservative votes to achieve all that its supporters want...for the willful and deliberate socialism of the Left. Doing so may seem easy...to the intellectually slow...but it is factually and morally false.
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Great Pollster John McLaughlin now has the GOP up in the Generic Congressional Ballot. Big gain over last 4 weeks. I guess people are loving the big Tax Cuts given them by the Republicans, the Cuts the Dems want to take away. We need more Republicans!
8:55 AM - 18 Feb 2018
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Not going to lose seats in the senate. They should pick up at least 3
If generic and congressional polling continues trending as it has the past 60 days, this is very possible. Would go a LONG ways to canceling out the votes of faux Republicans like Graham, Collins and Murkowski (among others)....especially if we find ourselves with two new GOP Senators from Arizona by next year.
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If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule.
If he was still alive, seeing what the GOP has become and what passes as conservativism would kill him.
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Building a wall? Nope...
Repealed Obamacare? Nope...
Cut spending? Nope...
Deported the known illegals? Nope...
No no! I've been told that Trump is the bestest EVAH! More conservative victories than all conservatives before him COMBINED!
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Given how many more Senate seats the Dems have to defend than the Reps, the Republicans should be able to retain a Senate majority; however, "the Resistance" on the left has certainly energized the Democrats, and I expect Democratic turnout to be extremely high (as we saw in Virginia, Alabama, and many of the special elections held over the past year).
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g349/BLMike/Open%20Senate%20Races.jpg)
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Given how many more Senate seats the Dems have to defend than the Reps, the Republicans should be able to retain a Senate majority; however, "the Resistance" on the left has certainly energized the Democrats, and I expect Democratic turnout to be extremely high (as we saw in Virginia, Alabama, and many of the special elections held over the past year).
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g349/BLMike/Open%20Senate%20Races.jpg)
It's about time somebody pointed out the mathematically obvious. If the GOP manages to lose seats in this election, it would be because McConnell deliberately throws them, because he prefers to be a Minority Leader. A theory I have long held about Turtle.
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Well, well, McConnell will more than likely get his wish. Once the DEMS retake the Senate and possibly the House, impeachment proceedings will certainly be on 'their' agenda. I look for full-blown amnesty, shredding of the 2nd amendment and a massive immigration/refugee influx. The GOP will be finished and this country will be transformed.
And they did it to themselves.
We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.
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No. If the GOP loses it will be because of foolish voters like you.
I hope so. I have made it my mission to make sure your party goes the way of the Whigs.
If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule. The only possible result of such a tactic is that extremism eventually emerges victorious...be that of the Leftist or Rightist variety. Such people, driven by radical Marxism or an equally idiotic desire to bring on some sort of religious American apocalypse, are the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic.
Yeah you tyrant-wannabes have already declared us enemies of the state for refusing to vote for whom you demanded we vote for last cycle. I find you people as egregiously tyrannical and despotic in intent and desire as the Democrats if not moreso.
Its always appealing to sit back and say "the whole system must be blown up" or "they're all the same"...its the intellectually lazy choice, and that makes it dangerous.
Well, we will be waiting for imbeciles and wannabe tyrants of party purity like you to render people like us 'less dangerous' to your party.
If we on the right give in to this kind of simpleton rhetoric, we will end up in some sort of horrific civil conflict OR...best case...endure a lifetime of living under the Far Left's version of political Nirvana. Or worse...the darkest elements of the Far Right will somehow emerge and destroy our liberties as surely as the Far Left would.
You are projecting as usual. You have declared us to be dangerous enemies of the state simply over whom we refuse to support or vote for. As such - any conflict is going to be instigated by morons like you or your counterparts at the Marxist-end of the spectrum.
...it is our only hope.
Well you go ahead and think Trump and the Republican party is your only hope.
I have other plans.
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And they did it to themselves.
We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.
IIRC the GOP has lost all the special elections so far to include some in deep red districts. Looks like they could lose another one in PA as well and all of this has happened before the actual mid terms elections have even happened.
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And they did it to themselves.
We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.
And they only increased spending with those tax cuts... Stupid. Increased spending only increases the size of government regardless of the retoric.
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IIRC the GOP has lost all the special elections so far to include some in deep red districts. Looks like they could lose another one in PA as well and all of this has happened before the actual mid terms elections have even happened.
Until the Jones/Moore fiasco, they had held four seats put up to special election for Trump appointees.
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Until the Jones/Moore fiasco, they had held four seats put up to special election for Trump appointees.
Well that was also before the GOP folded on Obamacare, the wall, dreamers, etc...
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IIRC the GOP has lost all the special elections so far to include some in deep red districts. Looks like they could lose another one in PA as well and all of this has happened before the actual mid terms elections have even happened.
The GOP made it clear that they had absolutely ZERO intention of doing anything they campaigned they were going to do. From repealing ObamaCare "Root and branch" to cutting the deficit, to pushing Amnesty themselves - the Republican Party is clearly revealed to be nothing more than the Uniparty many have declared it to be part of in concert with Democrats - good cop, bad cop in a shell game to mesmerize the gullible.
Not to mention the war the Republican party waged on actual Conservatives - destroying grass-roots Conservatism; changing the rules to prevent anyone except whom the leadership chooses for national candidate to become a candidate; warning Conservatives to 'shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose'; propping up half-dead senile Establishment hacks over Conservative challengers; actually funding and declaring support for the Democrat candidates when the Establishment's pick lost a primary.
The GOP not only deserves to lose, their party needs to go the way of the Whigs.
Time to do something different, outside of and away from the cesspool at Mordor on the Potomac.
They deserve to lose and go the way of the Whigs.
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If the Dems take over... they'll do everything we have wanted GOP leadership to do. Change the rules. Do away with the filibuster and turn passage of all legislation and judges into simple majority.
Exactly. Makes you wonder why the GOP hasn't jumped on the opportunities that they have.
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Exactly. Makes you wonder why the GOP hasn't jumped on the opportunities that they have.
It brings too much pressure from actual conservative advocates. They want to portray themselves as a deliberative body and not the majority mob rulers, like the House members, representing the unwashed masses.
"The core of the Senate is the legislative filibuster," McConnell said. "This notion that this (changing the filibuster rule to confirm Gorsuch) somehow bleeds over into the legislative filibuster is untrue. I'm opposed to it ... I think that's what fundamentally changes the Senate."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/07/mcconnell-vows-not-to-use-nuclear-option-to-pass-bills/100170356/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/07/mcconnell-vows-not-to-use-nuclear-option-to-pass-bills/100170356/)
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With all due respect @Mesaclone
Some of US Briefers feel that what you describe as 'could happen' if Conservatives sit on their azz and refuse to vote for the Uniparty has indeed already happened, in 2016 with the marriage of the GOP and DJT.
As far as Reagan, IMHO, if he were alive, he'd be saying "I didn't leave the Republican party, they left me" and he'd be looking for a viable alternative as I hope one of his astute pupils does also~Ted Cruz.
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The GOP made it clear that they had absolutely ZERO intention of doing anything they campaigned they were going to do. From repealing ObamaCare "Root and branch" to cutting the deficit, to pushing Amnesty themselves - the Republican Party is clearly revealed to be nothing more than the Uniparty many have declared it to be part of in concert with Democrats - good cop, bad cop in a shell game to mesmerize the gullible.
Not to mention the war the Republican party waged on actual Conservatives - destroying grass-roots Conservatism; changing the rules to prevent anyone except whom the leadership chooses for national candidate to become a candidate; warning Conservatives to 'shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose'; propping up half-dead senile Establishment hacks over Conservative challengers; actually funding and declaring support for the Democrat candidates when the Establishment's pick lost a primary.
The GOP not only deserves to lose, their party needs to go the way of the Whigs.
Time to do something different, outside of and away from the cesspool at Mordor on the Potomac.
They deserve to lose and go the way of the Whigs.
I will never forget how Turtle was glowing with pride as he boasted of "destroying" conservatives and the Tea Party. I knew for sure right then what I'd always suspected about him. He's four-square against us.
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I will never forget how Turtle was glowing with pride as he boasted of "destroying" conservatives and the Tea Party. I knew for sure right then what I'd always suspected about him. He's four-square against us.
He was more intent on destroying conservatives than he was Democrats/liberals.
And Trump campaigned for him to be the senate leader...
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And Trump campaigned for him to be the senate leader...
He also made Mitch's wife Transportation Secretary and proposed a monster infrastructure plan.
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He also made Mitch's wife Transportation Secretary and proposed a monster infrastructure plan.
I had forgotten about that plum he gave McConnell. Endorsing McConnell for Majority Leader doesn't really mean much, he was already going to get that, but handing McConnell's wife that much wonderful power is another matter.
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Way to inspire the troops, there, Mitch.
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I had forgotten about that plum he gave McConnell. Endorsing McConnell for Majority Leader doesn't really mean much, he was already going to get that, but handing McConnell's wife that much wonderful power is another matter.
It means much more when he campaigned on draining the swamp... The "wall" and draining the swamp was his primary traction in the primary... We have neither...
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I hope so. I have made it my mission to make sure your party goes the way of the Whigs.
Except it won't, you will simply split the right and hand long term power over to the Far Left. Brilliant maneuver.
Yeah you tyrant-wannabes have already declared us enemies of the state for refusing to vote for whom you demanded we vote for last cycle. I find you people as egregiously tyrannical and despotic in intent and desire as the Democrats if not moreso.
Not "enemies of the state", more like self-destructive stooges...empowering the Far Left and eliminating any opportunity for conservatism to govern the Republic. As for tyrannical...you want government in your image and your image only, with a ruling alliance so narrow as to be oligarchic at best. That's nearly the definition of tyranny.
Well, we will be waiting for imbeciles and wannabe tyrants of party purity like you to render people like us 'less dangerous' to your party.
Your whole schtick is "purity"...a purity which aligns only in total agreement with your singularly narrow concept of conservatism,
a concept that precludes ever attaining enough votes to achieve...well...anything.
You are projecting as usual. You have declared us to be dangerous enemies of the state simply over whom we refuse to support or vote for. As such - any conflict is going to be instigated by morons like you or your counterparts at the Marxist-end of the spectrum.
I have never declared you to be enemies of the state...except, perhaps, in some dark corner of your imagination...just enemies of conservatism, and guarantors of liberal ascendancy in government. You claim to hate Marxism, yet all that you do works to advance it to permanent power.
Well you go ahead and think Trump and the Republican party is your only hope.
Not our only hope, but certainly our best one right now and in the immediate future. Certainly a far better hope than splitting the right in half and conceding every election to the Far Left
I have other plans. You do. As do the Marxists. Unfortunately, your plans only serve to advance theirs...unwittingly though it may be. The term they would use to describe you, I believe, is useful idiot. Your actions ensure their grip on power...why would they not LOVE you and your call for ideological purity on the Right. It advances their cause in dramatic fashion.
You think you're rebelling against "sell outs" and "politics as usual"...to use the kind of juvenile and cliche sloganeering to which you are accustomed...but you are, simply, advancing the Left wing cause. Most of us on the Right are wise enough to NOT rebel our way to ensuring permanent liberal domination of our Republic...no doubt you will feel righteous and pure right up to the day the Left ships you off to a re-education camp.
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He was more intent on destroying conservatives than he was Democrats/liberals.
And Trump campaigned for him to be the senate leader...
Its a rare Bureaucrat that willingly represents those who want a smaller less intrusive state.
Thats the big problem.
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The difference between the parties is stark...and clear as a bell. It is quite literally the difference between a Justice Thomas and a Justice Sotomayor....the difference between weaponizing the organs of government against a rival party, and not doing so...the difference between defeating ISIS and allowing it to metastasize into a regional power...and these differences go on interminably. Do not mistake the GOP's lack of conservative votes to achieve all that its supporters want...for the willful and deliberate socialism of the Left. Doing so may seem easy...to the intellectually slow...but it is factually and morally false.
I'm glad you are not intellectually slow as I am and can see differences between the 2 parties because dumb voters like me just don't see it. Maybe there were big differences at one time, but not anymore. I don't live in the past as you seem to. I live in the present.
As far as judges go, what conservative judges have the Republicans put on SCOTUS? Neil Gorsuch -- well maybe, although I haven't really seen a brilliant opinion from him yet to decide whether he n is a strict constitutional conservative or not. But remember that not long ago, the Republicans also gave us John Roberts, the supposed conservative. And we all know how that turned out.
Using "organs of government" against a rival party? Well, it seems to me the Republicans aren't doing that because they are too busy sabotaging their own members who don't toe the party line.
And as for ISIS, well, it still exists. Witness how many Americans are joining or attempting to join their ranks every day. Republicans haven't exactly made too much of an effort in that regard either.
But what you gloss over are all the promises this party has made to the voters. We were promised that when the party took control of both houses of congress and the presidency, we would get Obamacare repeal, tax reform and immigration reform. What do we have? A few tweaks here and there on Obamacare, a few dollars given to the average shlub under the guise of tax reform (it's no reform at all) and as for fixing the immigration crisis -- the party is looking for compromise and maybe a few tweaks -- which means the problem won't really be fixed at all.
You could argue that we need to be patient. It's only been one year since Republicans took over congress and the presidency, but I should think that in one year, they should be further along than they are. Bottom line is that the party hasn't done squat. And the only reason I can think of is the Republicans aren't really serious about keeping m their promises to the voters.
You can continue to put your faith in a party that has lied to you and broken irts promises, but like @INVAR and others here, I give up. This party cannot be fixed. It needs to fade away so a new party that is truly conservative and which truly offers a viable option to the Democrats will take its place. Perhaps the only way that will happen will be for the Democrats to seize control again. This may be the only wake-up call Republicans will heed.
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Except it won't, you will simply split the right and hand long term power over to the Far Left. Brilliant maneuver.
Bullshit - your party leadership has already done that for you. Your party has proven that it is opposed, and holds in contempt, principled Constitutional Conservatism and has made that fact crystal clear with direct threats and actions to showcase that their promise to marginalize, punish us, punch us in the nose and make us shut up - were not idle threats via politics.
Your party and leadership wanted the Conservative Right OUT of your party.
They are getting their wish.
What your party consists of is liberals, moderate Democrats and populists beholden to big corporate Chamber of Commerce lobbyists who desire enrichment from the incestuous relationships they get with fascism lite.
Not "enemies of the state", more like self-destructive stooges...empowering the Far Left and eliminating any opportunity for conservatism to govern the Republic.
More bullshit. You Trumpian True Believers repeated the mantra that anyone not voting for Trump or the GOP were traitors - some of whom were promising retribution for our refusal to vote the way you and your party demanded.
As far as empowering the Left - your own Party Leadership has done that far more openly , aggressively and directly than anything those of us who are done with your corrupted cesspool of a party were able to do until now.
Your whole schtick is "purity"...a purity which aligns only in total agreement with your singularly narrow concept of conservatism,
a concept that precludes ever attaining enough votes to achieve...well...anything.
Rejoice! We're gone and done with your party! We are working to get actual Conservatives to dump you and your Uniparty and do something different - and we are having a good response and effect. We're off the plantation and if the majority still wants to seig-heil the Uniparty - then all you all can do so without us helping the Big Government Oligarchy along.
You claim to hate Marxism, yet all that you do works to advance it to permanent power.
Projection. Your own party and its leadership have made Obama's agenda permanent and fully funded. The Republican Party has embraced a 'kinder, gentler' Marxism and they have demonstrated that they are in fact - big government Statists just like the Democrat Marxists are. Just a slightly different flavor more beholden to corporate interests than the simple Che Revolutionistas on the other side of the Uniparty.
Not our only hope, but certainly our best one right now and in the immediate future.
You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content. We're done practicing it with you and your failed party. It's time to bury it alongside the Whigs - and I plan on doing my part to help that happen.
Unfortunately, your plans only serve to advance theirs
That is what all abusive husbands and slave owners tell their chattel attempting to instill fear and shame for daring to even think about leaving the house and farm.
As has been stated, YOUR PARTY, YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS DONE MORE TO BURY CONSERVATISM AND ADVANCE STATISM THAN THE DEMOCRATS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO. Not to mention fully funding and making permanent, the Marxist schemes they promised to repeal but showed us all, had no intention of doing. Then there's the trillions in deficit spending. Voting Democrat earns the same results. We're done with your failed, corrupted and compromised party. It needs to whither on the vine and be grafted back into the Democrat party where it belongs.
You think you're rebelling against "sell outs" and "politics as usual"...to use the kind of juvenile and cliche sloganeering to which you are accustomed...but you are, simply, advancing the Left wing cause.
I do not give a shit if you think I am advancing the Leftist cause by refusing to support your party that fully funds and passes the Leftist agenda and growing the State while pretending to be an opposition party. The truth is that the Republican Party has advanced the Left Wing cause, and fully funded it - with deficit spending no less!
Most of us on the Right are wise enough to NOT rebel our way to ensuring permanent liberal domination of our Republic...no doubt you will feel righteous and pure right up to the day the Left ships you off to a re-education camp.
That is hilarious coming from a guy who upthread said people like me are "dangerous" and "the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic."
If anything, it is people like you and your party that will get us to re-education camps first.
The concept of a people voting their conscience and in accord with their principles is demonstrably abhorrent to you and your party.
But please, continue to demonstrate that fact.
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You think you're rebelling against "sell outs" and "politics as usual"...to use the kind of juvenile and cliche sloganeering to which you are accustomed...but you are, simply, advancing the Left wing cause. Most of us on the Right are wise enough to NOT rebel our way to ensuring permanent liberal domination of our Republic...no doubt you will feel righteous and pure right up to the day the Left ships you off to a re-education camp.
I think you really need to keep in mind that the LEFT already has the power and has never lost power; take a look at the DOJ as an example -- unless those currently in place such as Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are held accountable along with Bammy and Clinton, exactly what power does the right have? Don't kid yourself.
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I had forgotten about that plum he gave McConnell. Endorsing McConnell for Majority Leader doesn't really mean much, he was already going to get that, but handing McConnell's wife that much wonderful power is another matter.
...and voila ... our infrastructure is in dire need and he wants a $1.5 trillion fix! Gee...I wonder whose pockets will be lined besides Trumps?
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But what about had Cruz been elected everyone knows he would have put his Goldman Sachs wife in charge of the Federal Reserve, so there's that too.
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But what about had Cruz been elected everyone knows he would have put his Goldman Sachs wife in charge of the Federal Reserve, so there's that too.
I'm thinking about how Jordan is better. But go ahead.
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I'm watching the wrecks on the Daytona 500, reminds me a lot of my postings.
My girl's out, proving once again, woman can't drive!
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I'm watching the wrecks on the Daytona 500, reminds me a lot of my postings.
My girl's out, proving once again, woman can't drive!
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At least she looks good doing it.
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I think you really need to keep in mind that the LEFT already has the power and has never lost power; take a look at the DOJ as an example -- unless those currently in place such as Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are held accountable along with Bammy and Clinton, exactly what power does the right have? Don't kid yourself.
It has absolutely no power, and will never have any power as long as people continue to practice insanity by voting for anyone in the Republican Party in the vain hope that they are going to advance a Constitutionally-Conservative agenda.
No - they will not.
The Uniparty oligarchy has now set up their rules so such a thing can never happen, and like the FBI and other Alphabets - is so completely corrupted and entrenched with Big Government Statists that they will go to war on members of their own party to force compliance with the advancement of the Leftist agenda.
Attempting to reform the party from the inside up, was a decades-long exercise in abject futility.
If Conservatives want any kind of voice in this Socialist Mobocracy we have been fundamentally transformed into (if it can be changed at all), then we have to start over somewhere else.
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Bullshit - your party leadership has already done that for you. Simply...factually...incorrect. Support for the GOP is at the 84%-8% mark in the most recent polling of Republicans.Your party has proven that it is opposed, and holds in contempt, principled Constitutional Conservatism and has made that fact crystal clear with direct threats and actions to showcase that their promise to marginalize, punish us, punch us in the nose and make us shut up - were not idle threats via politics. As usual, you mistake in inability to get 60 votes (or even 51) in the Senate as an unwillingness to pass conservative legislation...but a narrow majority cannot sustain defections from 5-7 liberal Republican Senators. Blame that 5-7 if you will...I certainly do...aim your ire where it belongs for once.
Your party and leadership wanted the Conservative Right OUT of your party. Wrong, for the most part they ARE the conservative Right...from Ted Cruz to Franklin Graham and the majority of evangelicals...this does not preclude having a tent that brings fiscal conservatives and libertarians in as GOP voters. Without their votes, and strong Independent support...quite simply...the Left rules without hindrance.
They are getting their wish. Your wish, perhaps, not theirs.
What your party consists of is liberals like Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton, right?, moderate Democrats and populists beholden to big corporate Chamber of Commerce lobbyists who desire enrichment from the incestuous relationships they get with fascism lite. Such as Rand Paul, right?
More bullshit. You Trumpian True Believers repeated the mantra that anyone not voting for Trump or the GOP were traitors - some of whom were promising retribution for our refusal to vote the way you and your party demanded.The only thing I'm a "true believer" of is moving the government and voting populace to the Right...as for retribution, it will come to you...and all of us...in the form of perpetual Democrat/Left wing governance brought in to being by misguided fools who split the vote on the Right.
As far as empowering the Left - your own Party Leadership has done that far more openly , aggressively and directly than anything those of us who are done with your corrupted cesspool of a party were able to do until now.Blather. This is little more than a fantasy...drawn not from substance but from a fertile and paranoid imagination.
Rejoice! We're gone and done with your party! We are working to get actual Conservatives to dump you and your Uniparty and do something different - and we are having a good response and effect. We're off the plantation and if the majority still wants to seig-heil the Uniparty - then all you all can do so without us helping the Big Government Oligarchy along. That's a lot of "we" verbiage...but the truth is, the "we" you cite is a fringe of about 10-15% of Trump hating conservatives. Enough, yes, to hand an election to the Far Left. Not enough to achieve ANYTHING legislatively.
Projection. Your own party and its leadership have made Obama's agenda permanent and fully funded. The Republican Party has embraced a 'kinder, gentler' Marxism and they have demonstrated that they are in fact - big government Statists just like the Democrat Marxists are. Just a slightly different flavor more beholden to corporate interests than the simple Che Revolutionistas on the other side of the Uniparty.
You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content. We're done practicing it with you and your failed party. It's time to bury it alongside the Whigs - and I plan on doing my part to help that happen.
That is what all abusive husbands and slave owners tell their chattel attempting to instill fear and shame for daring to even think about leaving the house and farm.
As has been stated, YOUR PARTY, YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS DONE MORE TO BURY CONSERVATISM AND ADVANCE STATISM THAN THE DEMOCRATS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO. Not to mention fully funding and making permanent, the Marxist schemes they promised to repeal but showed us all, had no intention of doing. Then there's the trillions in deficit spending. Voting Democrat earns the same results. We're done with your failed, corrupted and compromised party. It needs to whither on the vine and be grafted back into the Democrat party where it belongs.
I do not give a shit if you think I am advancing the Leftist cause by refusing to support your party that fully funds and passes the Leftist agenda and growing the State while pretending to be an opposition party. The truth is that the Republican Party has advanced the Left Wing cause, and fully funded it - with deficit spending no less!
That is hilarious coming from a guy who upthread said people like me are "dangerous" and "the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic."
If anything, it is people like you and your party that will get us to re-education camps first.
The concept of a people voting their conscience and in accord with their principles is demonstrably abhorrent to you and your party.
But please, continue to demonstrate that fact.
And here is the "big lie"...the thought that a splinter group of one party can win elections by itself and through its own "purity" of conscience. The truth is less sexy...that only a coalition of people, with some variance in ideology but also with common cause on many issues, can win a national election in the United States.Libertarians by themselves cannot win. Fiscal conservatives alone cannot win. Moderate conservatives cannot win. Social conservatives alone cannot win. All have principles and morals...and all must compromise with one another, or they will lose. It is THAT simple...yet somehow you are here selling that the tiny number of people who agree with you on all issues can rule the nation through the ballot box. Here's some other bad news for you...unicorns aren't real and there's no pot of gold at the end of rainbows.
What you seem to want is for a small fringe of the farthest right edges of conservatism...to assume power and dictate to the nation. Nothing less will do for you, apparently. This of course doesn't work...from a purely mathematical perspective...which is why Party's form coalitions. In the GOP's case, that coalition includes social, fiscal, and moderate conservatives (with a sprinkling of Independents and Libertarians) that still...barely...can win a narrow majority in national elections. Splicing off a small fraction of that coalition...the farthest edge of conservatism...and thinking it can win an election by itself...is the definition of stupid.
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I think you really need to keep in mind that the LEFT already has the power and has never lost power; take a look at the DOJ as an example -- unless those currently in place such as Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are held accountable along with Bammy and Clinton, exactly what power does the right have? Don't kid yourself.
If the Left were in power, not a drop of this stuff...from the Steele Dossier to Hillary sending bogus oppo research to the FBI through State...would have seen the light of day. Nor would we know anything of bogus FISA warrants and the FBI spying on a GOP campaign at the behest of a Dem president and a Dem campaign (Hillary). So whilst I WILL credit Sessions with weakness and incompetence, and Rosenstein with bias and corruption...and god knows with Mueller at this point...you cannot assert that the situation is not radically different than it would have been under a Hillary administration.
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I'm watching the wrecks on the Daytona 500, reminds me a lot of my postings.
My girl's out, proving once again, woman can't drive!
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I got 3 daughters and a wife....them's fightin' words in mi casa!
That said, you should probably post more pictures of hot female Daytona drivers to prove your point!
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You make a strong case, Corbe...I don't even remember the issue at this point!
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Simply...factually...incorrect. Support for the GOP is at the 84%-8%....As usual, you mistake in inability to get 60 votes (or even 51) in the Senate as an unwillingness to pass conservative legislation...but a narrow majority cannot sustain defections from 5-7 liberal Republican Senators.
You party hacks are welcome to attempt to justify your Party's Liberal Statism and reneged promises that YOUR LEADERSHIP MADE to your heart's content. We're not buying the bullshit anymore. The fruits speak and they are shit.
Your wish, perhaps, not theirs
Bullshit. I remember the words, I was there in Fancy Farm when McConnell said the things he did. We read his threats to punch the Tea Party in the nose and his vows to crush us.
Your party's very actions - then and at the last two conventions more than illustrated the fact that your party hates and holds Conservatives in as much contempt, if not moreso than the Democrats do. Your party continues to illustrate the abject embarrassment they have for fiscal and religious Conservatives who do not support the do-nothing finance the liberal agenda your party has accomplished.
...as for retribution, it will come to you...and all of us...in the form of perpetual Democrat/Left wing governance brought in to being by misguided fools who split the vote on the Right.
Your party made that a permanence and deficit FUNDED it to be so! As for retribution- I have watched your party go to war on Conservatives and destroy those the Establishment did not want in a seat they wanted a liberal to be in. It is your party and it's leadership whom Conservatives have had to fear for retribution far more regularly than the Marxist Left.
That's a lot of "we" verbiage...but the truth is, the "we" you cite is a fringe of about 10-15% of Trump hating conservatives. Enough, yes, to hand an election to the Far Left. Not enough to achieve ANYTHING legislatively.
Whatever it takes bub. We're off your plantation and working to do something different and vote for a different party. You can go to war on that all you like, we frankly don't care.
You people made us the enemy in the last several years - I for one intend to live up to all the charges and threats made by your party and it's leadership.
What you seem to want is for a small fringe of the farthest right edges of conservatism...to assume power and dictate to the nation.
You're the people calling us 'dangerous' and 'traitors' for refusing vote for the candidates and party you demand we vote for. I'd say assuming power to dictate to the nation how they should vote and support is what you are all about.
Nothing less will do for you, apparently.
Enjoy the 'less' that you and your party have worked so hard to achieve. Your party has been selling us liberal shit sandwiches and telling us to eat them for years because demanding an actual edible Conservative sandwich is a bridge too far for you and your party. So yes, we will settle for nothing less than a true Principled Constitutional Conservative sandwich. You can go ahead and peddle the liberal shit sandwich to the gullible and the unprincipled and tell them how great tasting it is. Knock your socks off.
Splicing off a small fraction of that coalition...the farthest edge of conservatism...and thinking it can win an election by itself...is the definition of stupid.
Wrong. Voting for the Republican Party and expecting them to live up to promises and enacting a Conservative agenda is the definition of stupid... and insanity.
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Bullshit. I remember the words, I was there in Fancy Farm when McConnell said the things he did. We read his threats to punch the Tea Party in the nose and his vows to crush us.
I tend to think the GOP leadership was quietly supporting the IRS targeting Tea Party people because they wanted them out. That's why all those caught red handed in the IRS walked away with essentially no consequences while at the same time the GOP was making lots of noise for political points - herding the party faithful to raise money - but taking no actual action.
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Just remember, she got the job for her driving ability.
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You cannot keep voting for the same idiots and have the same leadership and expect a different outcome. Trump saw an opportunity to run for Prez based on the frustration of those on the right and for the most part he sold to people what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately I think many people fail to comprehend that Trump is one person and we have 535 members of Congress that play significant roles in determining what they will allow him to do as well as the courts.
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I tend to think the GOP leadership was quietly supporting the IRS targeting Tea Party people because they wanted them out. That's why all those caught red handed in the IRS walked away with essentially no consequences while at the same time the GOP was making lots of noise for political points - herding the party faithful to raise money - but taking no actual action.
@DB
Of course they were! We can't allow no read necked hicks to be up in here messin with our scam!
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Mitch has said he doesn't care who is President.
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I tend to think the GOP leadership was quietly supporting the IRS targeting Tea Party people because they wanted them out. That's why all those caught red handed in the IRS walked away with essentially no consequences while at the same time the GOP was making lots of noise for political points - herding the party faithful to raise money - but taking no actual action.
BINGO!
Was my thought as well at the time.
Uniparty indeed.
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Personally, I'm waiting for the Mar~a~Lago 50 to start after these commercial breaks.
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@corbe go take a cold shower.
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Mitch has said he doesn't care who is President.
Why should he? As long as he remains the senate majority leader or minority leader, it doesn't matter. He gets the power, $$ and benefits either way.
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If he doesn’t...I better. :smokin:
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You cannot keep voting for the same idiots and have the same leadership and expect a different outcome. Trump saw an opportunity to run for Prez based on the frustration of those on the right and for the most part he sold to people what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately I think many people fail to comprehend that Trump is one person and we have 535 members of Congress that play significant roles in determining what they will allow him to do as well as the courts.
That does not mean we should opt for simply handing the government over to the Obama-Hillary-Pelosi gang...and render in an era of Socialist dominance. Which is, precisely, what INVAR's proposed actions would achieve.
Under the Invar plan, there are no more Clarence Thomas's or Neil Gorsuch's...no more President fighting for a Wall...no more ending the Obamacare mandate...no more reasonable defense spending...no more holding the line on gun laws....etcetera. What he offers is complete capitulation...in the guise of a "feel good" pure, and miniscule, conservative 3rd party.
The GOP is flawed, but in its stumbling and erratic way, it actually fights the liberal tide...especially under President Trump. Invar's party would be utterly powerless...encompassing only a tiny minority of the conservative coalition. Its purpose nothing more than to ensure victory for the Left while allowing a few fringe conservatives to feel good about losing because they have pure ideals.
Better to fight on in a flawed party then simply surrender as Invar is advocating. Childish anger and political petulance...the equivalent of take my ball and go home because the team won't run MY play every time...is no way to defeat the Radical Liberalism that is crouching at our doorstep.
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Personally, I'm waiting for the Mar~a~Lago 50 to start after these commercial breaks.
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That does not mean we should opt for simply handing the government over to the Obama-Hillary-Pelosi gang
Your party and it's leadership already has. In fact your party FUNDED and continues to unapologetically FUND their agenda, while pretending they cannot do anything about it because they do not have the votes, where before it was they needed the Presidency, and before that the Senate and before that the House..... Your party was handed everything it needed and it told Conservatives to shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose while your leader vowed to crush our grassroots.
YOUR PARTY has consistently waged war on Conservatives and Conservatism, without laying a kid glove on Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid and their agenda which they funded or the corruption that they ignored wholesale.
What he offers is complete capitulation...in the guise of a "feel good" pure, and miniscule, conservative 3rd party.
You make me laugh when you accuse me of 'capitulation' when your party has made capitulation to Democrats an art form. Your party just outspent Obama in deficit spending - and is hell-bent on Amnesty; no wall; no border security; no repeal of ObamaCare which they made permanent. I LOVE this fear you are illustrating you have because your voter base has figured out your party is a fraud and a front for Liberal Statism.
YES - we will be working for a third party - and you can bitch and moan and cry as the day is long. But it is already happening - and we're working to grow it.
it actually fights the liberal tide...
Translation: Do not believe what your own eyes see and your own ears hear! The Republican Party is actually fighting the liberal tide by making Liberalism their own, making ObamCare permanent, granting Amensty and funding it all with deficits in the TRILLIONS!!
Better to fight on in a flawed party then simply surrender as Invar is advocating.
Your party declared war on us imbecile - and told us to shut up and vote or get out!
So yes, I totally surrender your party to the corrupt liberal statism that it now represents. Your party does not share, nor uphold the principles that govern Conservative thought or belief. It is a wholly apostate party. It is a wholly corrupt party. So I'm busy making the argument to your former Conservative base that rather than fight in a party that will sell them and their cause out to the enemy in a heartbeat, they should enlist their aid in a different political party - fighting for a cause your party has already surrendered and abandoned.
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You're simply dressing defeatism up as a noble death on a lonely besieged hill.
You're mad that Trump won...we get it. You want to take your ball and go home. We get that as well. But let's be clear, you do not speak for "conservatives", only for yourself and a few fringe types....the same old NeverTrump crowd that is OK with letting Hillary-Pelosi-Obama cabal win perpetual power. Here's a newsflash...our side, and by our side I mean all of the actual grown up conservatives...beat Hillary's a$$ into the ground in the election. Your side, and by your side I mean a small number of bitter and childish NeverTrumpr's, were literally rooting for the Left to beat Trump. And now...once again...you're acting to ensure the Left wins in 2018. How...usual.
But go and do your lunatic fringe little 3rd party...if all goes well you'll get 3% of the vote and hand the government back to the Dems. The adults will, on the other hand, fight with the President to hold back the Leftwing horde...maybe we will fail thanks to fools who can't see past their nose, but at least will fight the fight.
You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.
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@Mesaclone
You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.
"We?" I hope you are prepared to do your fighting without Trump. He really doesn't care about you and your principles. In fact, he went over to the other side a long time ago. He only pretended to care about you when he needed your vote. Now that he is president, he is going to give you over to his pals, the Democrats. In fact, I believe he already has. You just don't realize it yet.
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You're simply dressing defeatism up as a noble death on a lonely besieged hill.
Your party has dressed up Liberalism in the clothing of Ronald Reagan and declared Liberalism and Statism-lite to be the new Conservatism.
That's hardly defeatism - that's pointing out reality that party hacks like yourself want to hide and redefine as 'dangerous' to the country.
You're mad that Trump won...we get it.
No. I dumped your party in 2014. I just found it instructive that you beguiled a voter base into believing that a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bigger Conservative than Reagan. Because that is what you and your party do now: working to convince everyone that Big Government liberalism is Conservatism and that to vote for anyone but a Republican even when they are liberals, is going to result in the death of the republic.
But let's be clear, you do not speak for "conservatives", only for yourself and a few fringe types....
You go think that.
Your party's fruits speak... NO, they SCREAM the opposite of what you claim.
Here's a newsflash...our side, and by our side I mean all of the actual grown up conservatives...beat Hillary's a$$ into the ground in the election. Your side, and by your side I mean a small number of bitter and childish NeverTrumpr's, were literally rooting for the Left to beat Trump. And now...once again...you're acting to ensure the Left wins in 2018. How...usual.
How illustrative. In one breath, we are a small number of bitter and childish anti-Trump voters who refused to vote for your party - and in the next breath - we're a dire threat to the survival of the republic and will ensure the Left wins.
I know liberty does not mean a cup of warm spit to you and the party you shill for - but, we're going to continue to urge Conservatives to dump your failed and corrupt liberal party to go and join an actual Conservative party - and not just another arm of the Liberal Oligarchy in D.C.
But go and do your lunatic fringe little 3rd party...if all goes well you'll get 3% of the vote and hand the government back to the Dems.
Your party and it's leadership has already guaranteed that. They worked hard to thwart what they were sent there to do in order to protect and push what the Democrats wanted. To decree us fringe lunatics; enemies of the republic; traitors and the typical garbage you people have been flinging for a couple years now - is what we expect from Liberals who think liberty only exists if you vote for someone with an 'R' after their name and cheerlead every thing they do, even when it's the same thing the Democrats do - only bigger.
The adults will, on the other hand, fight with the President to hold back the Leftwing horde...maybe we will fail thanks to fools who can't see past their nose, but at least will fight the fight.
You are not fighting. You're licking the boots of your liberal masters on the plantation in whom you think exists your entire being.
You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.
You make me laugh.
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@Mesaclone
"We?" I hope you are prepared to do your fighting without Trump. He really doesn't care about you and your principles. In fact, he went over to the other side a long time ago. He only pretended to care about you when he needed your vote. Now that he is president, he is going to give you over to his pals, the Democrats. In fact, I believe he already has. You just don't realize it yet.
The man has fought for every conservative position conceivable...and I could care less if he "cares" about me. He fights for conservatism, he is battling the Pelosi-Hillary Axis on a daily basis...not to mention the deep state FBI/Justice Department garbage he's battling. So you are simply wrong in your assessment of the man. Some of you simply can't see past your personal dislike of the man...or your hatred of conservative populism...hell, I don't like him at a personal level...but the SOB is fighting and I'm happy to fight with him.
Too many on the Right are too weak, too bitter, or too pure to actually make a difference in stopping this liberal tide...Trump ain't pretty but he IS a fighter, and all the issues he's fighting for are conservative ones.
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Your party and it's leadership already has. In fact your party FUNDED and continues to unapologetically FUND their agenda, while pretending they cannot do anything about it because they do not have the votes, where before it was they needed the Presidency, and before that the Senate and before that the House..... Your party was handed everything it needed and it told Conservatives to shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose while your leader vowed to crush our grassroots.
YOUR PARTY has consistently waged war on Conservatives and Conservatism, without laying a kid glove on Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid and their agenda which they funded or the corruption that they ignored wholesale.
You make me laugh when you accuse me of 'capitulation' when your party has made capitulation to Democrats an art form. Your party just outspent Obama in deficit spending - and is hell-bent on Amnesty; no wall; no border security; no repeal of ObamaCare which they made permanent. I LOVE this fear you are illustrating you have because your voter base has figured out your party is a fraud and a front for Liberal Statism.
YES - we will be working for a third party - and you can bitch and moan and cry as the day is long. But it is already happening - and we're working to grow it.
Translation: Do not believe what your own eyes see and your own ears hear! The Republican Party is actually fighting the liberal tide by making Liberalism their own, making ObamCare permanent, granting Amensty and funding it all with deficits in the TRILLIONS!!
Your party declared war on us imbecile - and told us to shut up and vote or get out!
So yes, I totally surrender your party to the corrupt liberal statism that it now represents. Your party does not share, nor uphold the principles that govern Conservative thought or belief. It is a wholly apostate party. It is a wholly corrupt party. So I'm busy making the argument to your former Conservative base that rather than fight in a party that will sell them and their cause out to the enemy in a heartbeat, they should enlist their aid in a different political party - fighting for a cause your party has already surrendered and abandoned.
@INVAR
Do you have any solutions? Anything to make the country better?
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You're simply dressing defeatism up as a noble death on a lonely besieged hill.
You're mad that Trump won...we get it. You want to take your ball and go home. We get that as well. But let's be clear, you do not speak for "conservatives", only for yourself and a few fringe types....the same old NeverTrump crowd that is OK with letting Hillary-Pelosi-Obama cabal win perpetual power. Here's a newsflash...our side, and by our side I mean all of the actual grown up conservatives...beat Hillary's a$$ into the ground in the election. Your side, and by your side I mean a small number of bitter and childish NeverTrumpr's, were literally rooting for the Left to beat Trump. And now...once again...you're acting to ensure the Left wins in 2018. How...usual.
But go and do your lunatic fringe little 3rd party...if all goes well you'll get 3% of the vote and hand the government back to the Dems. The adults will, on the other hand, fight with the President to hold back the Leftwing horde...maybe we will fail thanks to fools who can't see past their nose, but at least will fight the fight.
You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.
Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.
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Your party has dressed up Liberalism in the clothing of Ronald Reagan and declared Liberalism and Statism-lite to be the new Conservatism.
That's hardly defeatism - that's pointing out reality that party hacks like yourself want to hide and redefine as 'dangerous' to the country.
No. I dumped your party in 2014. I just found it instructive that you beguiled a voter base into believing that a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bigger Conservative than Reagan. Because that is what you and your party do now: working to convince everyone that Big Government liberalism is Conservatism and that to vote for anyone but a Republican even when they are liberals, is going to result in the death of the republic.
You go think that.
Your party's fruits speak... NO, they SCREAM the opposite of what you claim.
How illustrative. In one breath, we are a small number of bitter and childish anti-Trump voters who refused to vote for your party - and in the next breath - we're a dire threat to the survival of the republic and will ensure the Left wins.
I know liberty does not mean a cup of warm spit to you and the party you shill for - but, we're going to continue to urge Conservatives to dump your failed and corrupt liberal party to go and join an actual Conservative party - and not just another arm of the Liberal Oligarchy in D.C.
Your party and it's leadership has already guaranteed that. They worked hard to thwart what they were sent there to do in order to protect and push what the Democrats wanted. To decree us fringe lunatics; enemies of the republic; traitors and the typical garbage you people have been flinging for a couple years now - is what we expect from Liberals who think liberty only exists if you vote for someone with an 'R' after their name and cheerlead every thing they do, even when it's the same thing the Democrats do - only bigger.
You are not fighting. You're licking the boots of your liberal masters on the plantation in whom you think exists your entire being.
You make me laugh.
Delusion and denial. Not really a philosophy for success...you might want to branch out, philosophically.
I actually feel sorry for you...you've constructed an entire fantasy world in which a Ted Cruz (GOP) is no different than a Hillary Clinton (Dem). And you believe it...not in a rational, well thought it way...but rather, as a tenet of religious faith. No amount of external evidence, reason or simple practicality can overcome your fantasy...you've lost yourself in it, and only you yourself can...hopefully...awaken from the bizarre dreamworld you've built.
Be well, and may one day the light of reason pierce the fog you've encased yourself in.
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Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.
No. Wrong.
The problem is that we have been lectured that Conservatism is a losing proposition - and we must COMPROMISE and choose "the Lesser evil" because expecting "perfection" in actually applying Conservative principles is said to be an 'enemy' of the 'good'.
And what is 'the good'?? "The good" is liberalism or the Democrat agenda approved by Republicans in the spirit of bipartisanship.
Ceding ground to the Left is what the GOP has demonstrated they are perfectionists at, while at the same time - going to war on Conservatives, rather than the Left they pretend to be opposed to.
The Republican party has rejected Conservatism in favor of more compassionate Big Government Statism demanded by the Chamber of Cronies In Commerce.
We got here because too many for too long have insisted that 'The perfect is the enemy of good!', so we accept greater and greater Liberal Socialism until we can no longer distinguish the difference between the two parties. Conservatism works every time it is tried.
Since that has been rejected and held in contempt by the Republican party and it's leadership - it is time to try getting it to work in a different party.
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Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.
Yes. Could not agree more. Too many prefer noble defeat to a messy and imperfect political victory. Worse, they don't understand that political victory in a Republic does not bestow absolute power on the party that wins...the system is designed to limit wild swings to the right or left. Our Founders were genius, but it is VERY frustrating to work change through the electoral process and balanced mechanisms of government...the battle is fought in inches rather than with the immediate full gratification of the winners. There are no quick fixes and much to the chagrin of conservatives everywhere, one electoral victory does not equate to the ability to create a conservative nirvana.
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Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.
I prefer that my servants in government actually work for things that are in my interest instead of the interests of K Street! There are currently very few in that category.
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No amount of external evidence, reason or simple practicality can overcome your fantasy...you've lost yourself in it, and only you yourself can...hopefully...awaken from the bizarre dreamworld you've built.
You mean like the one you're in that preaches advancing Conservatism and saving the republic from Big Government Socialism means we must support a party of big government Socialism via voting for liberals because they have an 'R' after their name??? That kind of fantasy?
Be well, and may one day the light of reason pierce the fog you've encased yourself in.
Ah yes... "reason" : vote Republican or be known as lunatics, heretics and traitors to the country.
An Inquisition simply by another name.
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Worse, they don't understand that political victory in a Republic does not bestow absolute power on the party that wins...the system is designed to limit wild swings to the right or left. Our Founders were genius, but it is VERY frustrating to work change through the electoral process and balanced mechanisms of government...the battle is fought in inches rather than with the immediate full gratification of the winners. There are no quick fixes and much to the chagrin of conservatives everywhere, one electoral victory does not equate to the ability to create a conservative nirvana.
How stupid do you think we are to believe such stupid pap intended to whitewash the facts that your party hasn't delivered on what it promised in the last 8 years??
"There's no quick fixes, only incremental inches that we can possibly hope for (never mind that the Democrats shove their agenda down your throats in the middle of the night - and then we fund it). So vote for us for the next 20 years and MAYBE - we might get around to doing what you sent us here to do..... but... you petulant children just do not understand that we are not here to do as you want - we are here to tell you what you need."
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@INVAR
Do you have any solutions? Anything to make the country better?
I have a solution. Put @INVAR on ignore. He can ruin your whole day.
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I have a solution. Put @INVAR on ignore. He can ruin your whole day.
Well thank you @Emjay for letting me be aware that I have that kind of power over people like you.
You just made MY day.
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And they did it to themselves.
We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.
Are you suggesting Neil Gorusch is not a capable replacement for Anton Scalia?
Or that the opening of federal offshore waters to drilling and reducing onerous edicts restricting coal production and usage not something which had been promised?
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Are you suggesting Neil Gorusch is not a capable replacement for Anton Scalia?
Or that the opening of federal offshore waters to drilling and reducing onerous edicts restricting coal production and usage not something which had been promised?
Those good deeds will be wiped out if the GOP folds on tighter gun controls. Even the tax cuts. Pass some sort of a ban on Sport Rifles and you can wave bye-bye to the House AND the Senate.
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Are you suggesting Neil Gorusch is not a capable replacement for Anton Scalia?
Or that the opening of federal offshore waters to drilling and reducing onerous edicts restricting coal production and usage not something which had been promised?
What you're hanging your hat on are not permanent legislative accomplishments. We have no idea how judges will perform over the long haul. Scalia is the exception not the rule, most judges drift to the left over time. Opening ANWAR and drilling off the coastlines is great, but it can be reversed. The same applies for coal production. The big issues that will destroy our individual liberty haven't been fixed as the Pubs promised throughout the campaign; Obamacare still exists, the wall isn't being built, immigration is not being reformed.
If all the Pubs have to run on is cutting taxes and "we run the govt better" I don't see any reason to support a bunch of liars and cheats.
If the Pub supporters can only use the fear of the radical leftists being in power to promote supporting the Pubs I'm not interested. I've seen my share of john McCain's.
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Those good deeds will be wiped out if the GOP folds on tighter gun controls. Even the tax cuts. Pass some sort of a ban on Sport Rifles and you can wave bye-bye to the House AND the Senate.
The corruption of the FBI and DOJ should make all Americans want to support the 2nd Amendment even more.
Gun control is just an emotional appeal for people control.
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What you're hanging your hat on are not permanent legislative accomplishments. We have no idea how judges will perform over the long haul. Scalia is the exception not the rule, most judges drift to the left over time. Opening ANWAR and drilling off the coastlines is great, but it can be reversed. The same applies for coal production. The big issues that will destroy our individual liberty haven't been fixed as the Pubs promised throughout the campaign; Obamacare still exists, the wall isn't being built, immigration is not being reformed.
If all the Pubs have to run on is cutting taxes and "we run the govt better" I don't see any reason to support a bunch of liars and cheats.
If the Pub supporters can only use the fear of the radical leftists being in power to promote supporting the Pubs I'm not interested. I've seen my share of john McCain's.
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We've all had our share of McCain's, Flakes, Grahams, Murkowskis and Collins...but its childish to blame the other 40+ GOP Senators and President who ARE fighting for every issue on the conservative agenda. Worse, is the idiotic thought that putting MORE of these 40 and the President out of office and allowing MORE dems and Flakes to win seats...is some sort of smart political strategy. Neither a President nor genuinely conservative Senators can move forward legislation with less than 50 votes...in some cases 60. So, the President has used executive power to achieve what CAN be achieved and the Senate has moved forward what CAN be moved forward...in the cause of conservatism. But, unless you want them to impose dictatorial powers, they are constrained by the structure of our constitutional government.
Please explain how the President, and the 40+ Senators who have supported his very conservative agenda...can impose that agenda legislatively without violating the constitution. If you cannot do so, its imbecilic to blame these folks...or the GOP as an organization...for not doing what is impossible. A 2 seat majority with 7-8 Flakes is the problem...not the President and the other 40+ Senators fighting DAILY for the conservative agenda.
Instead of fire, ready, aim...try ready, aim, fire. Or hell, just use a little bit of common sense and reason.
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The corruption of the FBI and DOJ should make all Americans want to support the 2nd Amendment even more.
Gun control is just an emotional appeal for people control.
Democrats are nothing if not pure emotional appeal. And if the Pubbies fail to hold the line on the Second Amendment, GOP voters will be discouraged and stay away from the polls in droves.
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Those good deeds will be wiped out if the GOP folds on tighter gun controls. Even the tax cuts. Pass some sort of a ban on Sport Rifles and you can wave bye-bye to the House AND the Senate.
@Cyber Liberty
If the GOP does that they will lose a lot of votes but they won't be going to the Dems. It might be what finally brings about a 3rd party.
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And to address the other big lie.
The President has not said he doesn't want conservatives...on the contrary, he IS the policy advocate for nearly every conservative cause. What he HAS said is that the petulant and juvenile "take my ball and go home" cry baby types should shut up and do what they are going to do anyway...run home and sit on their hands...or start silly 3rd parties that achieve nothing positive whatsoever. His call is, was and has been for ALL honest conservatives and Republicans to join the fight against the liberal tide that is seeking to drown us all. Seems like an utterly reasonable approach.
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Democrats are nothing if not pure emotional appeal. And if the Pubbies fail to hold the line on the Second Amendment, GOP voters will be discouraged and stay away from the polls in droves.
Worse are the kinds of emotions the democrats appeal to. Hate, rage, resentment, envy.
Even more reason to hold the line on the 2A.
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@Cyber Liberty
If the GOP does that they will lose a lot of votes but they won't be going to the Dems. It might be what finally brings about a 3rd party.
And the Dems will be still whipped up with Trump-hate. The new party will not come soon enough to keep the Dems away from the levers of power, I fear. They'll have one or two two-year terms to really wreak havoc to the country. I don't know if the Republic can survive it.
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We've all had our share of McCain's, Flakes, Grahams, Murkowskis and Collins...but its childish to blame the other 40+ GOP Senators and President who ARE fighting for every issue on the conservative agenda.
Please spare us such abject HORSESHIT. Your failed party IS NOT fighting for every Conservative issue at all. Exactly the opposite.
i.e.; Rand Paul was the ONLY SENATOR to oppose the 1.5 TRILLION budget deal outpacing Obama's deficit spending that shut the government down for a few hours before his party circumvented his refusal to vote for it. Paul was seeking a vote to reversing across-the-board spending increases and was refused by his own leadership. He said: "I ran for office because I was very critical of President Obama's trillion-dollar deficits. Now we have Republicans hand in hand with Democrats offering us trillion-dollar deficits. I can't in all honesty look the other way."
Your party IS NOT fighting for every issue on the Conservative agenda. It has capitulated to every issue on the Democrat agenda, including trillions in deficit spending.
Spend! Spend! Spend! You think we are stupid enough to believe that is part of a Conservative agenda?
Worse, is the idiotic thought that putting MORE of these 40 and the President out of office and allowing MORE dems and Flakes to win seats...is some sort of smart political strategy.
It is. Playing at a casino where the dice are loaded and the house oligarchy for Statism always wins every hand and every play - the smartest thing to do - is not to play at their tables. Especially when their rules are designed to fleece you and subjugate you to Statism.
Neither a President nor genuinely conservative Senators can move forward legislation with less than 50 votes...in some cases 60.
Just more of: 'We cannot do anything unless we have the House'. 'We cannot do anything unless we have the Senate'. 'We cannot do anything unless we have the Presidency'.
Give them all three and we get party hacks like you telling us: "We cannot do anything unless we have more than 60 votes". BULLSHIT. The Democrats always manages to get what they want with less than 60 votes. This is just pathetic excuse-making, and we are not buying it anymore.
So, the President has used executive power to achieve what CAN be achieved and the Senate has moved forward what CAN be moved forward...in the cause of conservatism. But, unless you want them to impose dictatorial powers, they are constrained by the structure of our constitutional government.
Spare us the feigned adherence to the Constitution you would like us to believe your party respects. Deficit spending to the tune of trillions is not exactly following Constitutional prescriptions. Neither are proposed infringements on the 1st and Second Amendments - but that has not stopped your party from supporting or even calling for them. To try and tell us that everything that can be done to roll back Obama's agenda has been done is bullshit. Republicans had the power to defund ObamaCare - they refused. Repeatedly. Instead they fully funded it. They may have dumped the mandate... temporarily, but are even now discussing the need to bring it back because otherwise all the insurance exchanges will require massive taxpayer bailouts.
The excuses for your party's failure to even attempt to fulfill their campaign promises, are laughable.
Or hell, just use a little bit of common sense and reason.
We are. That is why we are leaving your party to rot - and getting Conservatives out of it and into a new one.
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We've all had our share of McCain's, Flakes, Grahams, Murkowskis and Collins...but its childish to blame the other 40+ GOP Senators and President who ARE fighting for every issue on the conservative agenda. Worse, is the idiotic thought that putting MORE of these 40 and the President out of office and allowing MORE dems and Flakes to win seats...is some sort of smart political strategy. Neither a President nor genuinely conservative Senators can move forward legislation with less than 50 votes...in some cases 60. So, the President has used executive power to achieve what CAN be achieved and the Senate has moved forward what CAN be moved forward...in the cause of conservatism. But, unless you want them to impose dictatorial powers, they are constrained by the structure of our constitutional government.
Please explain how the President, and the 40+ Senators who have supported his very conservative agenda...can impose that agenda legislatively without violating the constitution. If you cannot do so, its imbecilic to blame these folks...or the GOP as an organization...for not doing what is impossible. A 2 seat majority with 7-8 Flakes is the problem...not the President and the other 40+ Senators fighting DAILY for the conservative agenda.
Instead of fire, ready, aim...try ready, aim, fire. Or hell, just use a little bit of common sense and reason.
Like and agree ... though at times I too find myself feeling drawn into bashing the GOP brand. It’s just easy and fun because they make it so easy sometimes. But, back at the ranch it makes no sense to help democrats with their bitchfest, since the Republican Party is the only vehicle we have in America of pushing back against the Left. Want less tyranny, vote R.
Rock, hard place.
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Well thank you @Emjay for letting me be aware that I have that kind of power over people like you.
You just made MY day.
Although you have no conception of what I am like, I don't have you on ignore because I don't like you or because your posts are stupid. You are just the most depressing person on earth.
Nothing personal and please don't let it go to your head.
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And the Dems will be still whipped up with Trump-hate. The new party will not come soon enough to keep the Dems away from the levers of power, I fear. They'll have one or two two-year terms to really wreak havoc to the country. I don't know if the Republic can survive it.
@Cyber Liberty
Look at what our govt agencies have been doing the last 8 years I don't know if our Republic survived the Obama administration. Perhaps if they fix the problems but I'm skeptical there is even the will let alone the capablity to fix those problems.
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Although you have no conception of what I am like, I don't have you on ignore because I don't like you or because your posts are stupid. You are just the most depressing person on earth.
Nothing personal and please don't let it go to your head.
Just another perfect example of Isaiah 30:10:
"Don't tell us what is right. Tell us nice things. Tell us lies."
Just say what we want to hear, even if it's false.
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Honestly I think it's what he wants to happen.
I agree with that.
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Look at what our govt agencies have been doing the last 8 years I don't know if our Republic survived the Obama administration.
^^^^THIS!
Playing Normalcy Bias Politics in a post-Constitutional Socialist mobocracy whereby the Alphabets have been perverted into Deep State Political Praetorians, is blissfully ignorant.
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^^^^THIS!
Playing Normalcy Bias Politics in a post-Constitutional Socialist mobocracy whereby the Alphabets have been perverted into Deep State Political Praetorians, is blissfully ignorant.
That sounds awfully negative. Reality is, after all, so depressing.
Not only does Reality so often fail to meet our minimal expectations, much less our dreams, but it insists that we pay attention, for Heaven's sake.
And what person who wants a blessed moment of peace in this intensely complex life, wants to do that?
And so civilizations, no matter how philosophically, socially, and educationally advanced they become, all eventually retreat from the glaring light of virtuous civic engagement, to the comforting cul-de-sacs of disengaged distraction.
The State is my shepherd, I shall not want.
He maketh me to recycle in green trash bins, he dissuades me from the bottled waters.
He restoreth my Wi-fi: he leadeth me to hits on Google for their advertisers' sake.
Yea, though I surf through the valley of the shadow of Drudge, I will fear no evil:
My devices art with me; my iPad and my cell phone, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a web page for me in the presence of mine enemies:
Thou anointest my Tweets with emojis; my "Likes" runneth over.
Surely Twitter and Facebook shall Follow me all the days of my life:
And I will dwell in the den of my house forever.
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What you're hanging your hat on are not permanent legislative accomplishments. We have no idea how judges will perform over the long haul. Scalia is the exception not the rule, most judges drift to the left over time. Opening ANWAR and drilling off the coastlines is great, but it can be reversed. The same applies for coal production. The big issues that will destroy our individual liberty haven't been fixed as the Pubs promised throughout the campaign; Obamacare still exists, the wall isn't being built, immigration is not being reformed.
If all the Pubs have to run on is cutting taxes and "we run the govt better" I don't see any reason to support a bunch of liars and cheats.
If the Pub supporters can only use the fear of the radical leftists being in power to promote supporting the Pubs I'm not interested. I've seen my share of john McCain's.
Nothing in this country is ever permanent and will remain so. We are a Republic with mechanisms that allows changes to occur over time.
Only liberals believe that once enacted, things like abortion, secession and the like can 'Never be Changed'.
What type of permanent solutions are you driving at?
Even Constitutional Amendments can be changed.
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Please spare us such abject HORSESHIT. Your failed party IS NOT fighting for every Conservative issue at all. Exactly the opposite.
i.e.; Rand Paul was the ONLY SENATOR to oppose the 1.5 TRILLION budget deal outpacing Obama's deficit spending that shut the government down for a few hours before his party circumvented his refusal to vote for it. Paul was seeking a vote to reversing across-the-board spending increases and was refused by his own leadership. He said: "I ran for office because I was very critical of President Obama's trillion-dollar deficits. Now we have Republicans hand in hand with Democrats offering us trillion-dollar deficits. I can't in all honesty look the other way."
Your party IS NOT fighting for every issue on the Conservative agenda. It has capitulated to every issue on the Democrat agenda, including trillions in deficit spending.
Spend! Spend! Spend! You think we are stupid enough to believe that is part of a Conservative agenda?
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The excuses for your party's failure to even attempt to fulfill their campaign promises, are laughable.
We are. That is why we are leaving your party to rot - and getting Conservatives out of it and into a new one.
@INVAR -- You are not alone in seeing this hypocrisy (but I'm sure it must feel that way). I so sick and tired of people lecturing about how conservative Trump is as the Federal Government he oversees (and just submitted a budget for) borrows $1T this year and then adds at least $7T to it over the next decade. There's certainly nothing fiscally conservative about all that, and now this Pied Piper has Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell complicit in this fiscal nonsense.
2016 was the the first time I didn't vote Republican in a Presidential election (I wrote in). Well, this budget and the associated hypocrisy is the last straw for me. No more!! I'm ready to jump in with both feet to support a true conservative party like the Constitution Party. If that's tipping at windmills, so be it. I'm sick and tired of being told how conservative this President is while he spends money we don't have just like a Democrat. Time for me to take my support elsewhere.
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The State is my shepherd, I shall not want.
He maketh me to recycle in green trash bins, he dissuades me from the bottled waters.
He restoreth my Wi-fi: he leadeth me to hits on Google for their advertisers' sake.
Yea, though I surf through the valley of the shadow of Drudge, I will fear no evil:
My devices art with me; my iPad and my cell phone, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a web page for me in the presence of mine enemies:
Thou anointest my Tweets with emojis; my "Likes" runneth over.
Surely Twitter and Facebook shall Follow me all the days of my life:
And I will dwell in the den of my house forever.
Absolutely brilliant!
Hilarious because it illustrates the truth.
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Nothing in this country is ever permanent and will remain so. We are a Republic with mechanisms that allows changes to occur over time.
Only liberals believe that once enacted, things like abortion, secession and the like can 'Never be Changed'.
What type of permanent solutions are you driving at?
Even Constitutional Amendments can be changed.
Not on a whim, and not because emotionally vocal mobs protest in the streets.
We are about to discover just how post-Constitutional we have become.
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@INVAR -- You are not alone in seeing this hypocrisy (but I'm sure it must feel that way). I so sick and tired of people lecturing about how conservative Trump is as the Federal Government he oversees (and just submitted a budget for) borrows $1T this year and then adds at least $7T to it over the next decade. There's certainly nothing fiscally conservative about all that, and now this Pied Piper has Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell complicit in this fiscal nonsense.
2016 was the the first time I didn't vote Republican in a Presidential election (I wrote in). Well, this budget and the associated hypocrisy is the last straw for me. No more!! I'm ready to jump in with both feet to support a true conservative party like the Constitution Party. If that's tipping at windmills, so be it. I'm sick and tired of being told how conservative this President is while he spends money we don't have just like a Democrat. Time for me to take my support elsewhere.
I'm glad Invar has a friend in the Doom and Gloom world.
Things are not that bad and they're getting better. Trump IS doing some good, at least on the economic front. I watched Rush on Chris Wall-ass (as they call him on TOS) and he cheered me up. He thinks Trump has made enormous strides.
For example, Chris brought up the 'not getting rid of Obamacare' thing and Rush pointed out that the very worst part of it is gone.
I think it is tilting at windmills to vote for Mickey Mouse because we have too many selfish, cowardly people in the Senate. You will only enable Dems to take over. How about working hard to get real conservatives elected?
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@INVAR -- You are not alone in seeing this hypocrisy (but I'm sure it must feel that way). I so sick and tired of people lecturing about how conservative Trump is as the Federal Government he oversees (and just submitted a budget for) borrows $1T this year and then adds at least $7T to it over the next decade. There's certainly nothing fiscally conservative about all that, and now this Pied Piper has Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell complicit in this fiscal nonsense.
2016 was the the first time I didn't vote Republican in a Presidential election (I wrote in). Well, this budget and the associated hypocrisy is the last straw for me. No more!! I'm ready to jump in with both feet to support a true conservative party like the Constitution Party. If that's tipping at windmills, so be it. I'm sick and tired of being told how conservative this President is while he spends money we don't have just like a Democrat. Time for me to take my support elsewhere.
Are you reading this @Mesaclone? This is the overwhelming response and reaction we are receiving when discussing the failure of the Republican party and brand in our efforts to get these Conservatives out of your wholly-corrupted and useless party and into a third party that you fear and despise so much.
There is absolutely no reason any Conservative should vote for a Republican when the Republican Party holds them in contempt while passing the Democrat agenda.
And you and your party are about to discover just how disgusted and finished with it many Conservatives are.
Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us countless times over decades - we are just practicing insanity voting for Republicans expecting Conservative results.
That message now resonates because the fruits of your party being just another arm of Big Government Statism is become self-evident.
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I'm glad Invar has a friend in the Doom and Gloom world.
Things are not that bad and they're getting better. Trump IS doing some good, at least on the economic front. I watched Rush on Chris Wall-ass (as they call him on TOS) and he cheered me up. He thinks Trump has made enormous strides.
For example, Chris brought up the 'not getting rid of Obamacare' thing and Rush pointed out that the very worst part of it is gone.
I think it is tilting at windmills to vote for Mickey Mouse because we have too many selfish, cowardly people in the Senate. You will only enable Dems to take over. How about working hard to get real conservatives elected?
Yeah, but...that would be work – and hard, too.
Hm, maybe that’s why it’s called hard work?
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Yeah, but...that would be work – and hard, too.
Hm, maybe that’s why it’s called hard work?
Yep. So much easier to whine and do nothing. (unless you count the tilting at windmills thing)
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I'm glad Invar has a friend in the Doom and Gloom world.
Things are not that bad and they're getting better. Trump IS doing some good, at least on the economic front. I watched Rush on Chris Wall-ass (as they call him on TOS) and he cheered me up. He thinks Trump has made enormous strides.
For example, Chris brought up the 'not getting rid of Obamacare' thing and Rush pointed out that the very worst part of it is gone.
I think it is tilting at windmills to vote for Mickey Mouse because we have too many selfish, cowardly people in the Senate. You will only enable Dems to take over. How about working hard to get real conservatives elected?
Invar has far more than one or even a few friends here. Spending more borrowed money growing government is not "a good thing". It is the single biggest threat to destroy our and our children's future. It is not mathematically possible to continue doing what we're doing - no matter how well we party living on borrowed time in the meantime.
Regarding Obamacare having the worst taken away... Wow... No... All the government mandates are still there run by the federal government dictating what is and isn't covered and what policies can be offered. But now instead of pseudo medical welfare (a mandate that you pay something in for your guaranteed subsidized care) they turned it into full welfare. And you think that is a "good thing"... Just wow...
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What you're hanging your hat on are not permanent legislative accomplishments.
There are no "permanent" legislative accomplishments. You do the best you can, with what you have.
This site appears a gathering place, for many who throw their hands up in despair, at anything short of 100% of what they want.
Almost all of the disappointment with the legislature by "conservatives," ought to be centered on about 5 Senators.
They are allowed to wear the label Republican, but they fail to support the Republican policy positions much of the time.
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I'm glad Invar has a friend in the Doom and Gloom world.
Your normalcy bias is a freight train bearing down on you. But, hey - if you want to pretend the railroad tracks you are standing on is the Yellow Brick Road - who are we to stop you?
For example, Chris brought up the 'not getting rid of Obamacare' thing and Rush pointed out that the very worst part of it is gone.
Republicans are discussing the need to bring it back because the insurance companies cannot cover the costs without healthy people being part of the risk pools. They concede only way to achieve that is government mandated participation in the risk pool - or, a complete and total multi-trillion dollar health insurance industry taxpayer bailout.
The 'worst part' is not gone. Like Dracula - it will come back, bigger, badder and meaner than before - probably with a big fat "R" in the sponsorship.
You will only enable Dems to take over.
We no longer see a difference.
How about working hard to get real conservatives elected?
The Republican party has changed its rules to prevent that in national contests and has worked tirelessly in concert with Democrats to destroy and defeat Conservative candidates with Establishment liberals. They have also openly advocated voting for the Democrat in general elections when their candidates lost to a real Conservative.
The suggestion is pointless. Real Conservatives are marginalized and neutered by their own party leadership if they make it through an election.
Our memories are not limited to last week.
That reality freight train is about to become a very rude experience for you in November, because the GOP's former Conservative base is not bothering with voting for them anymore.
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I'm glad Invar has a friend in the Doom and Gloom world.
Things are not that bad and they're getting better. Trump IS doing some good, at least on the economic front. I watched Rush on Chris Wall-ass (as they call him on TOS) and he cheered me up. He thinks Trump has made enormous strides.
For example, Chris brought up the 'not getting rid of Obamacare' thing and Rush pointed out that the very worst part of it is gone.
I think it is tilting at windmills to vote for Mickey Mouse because we have too many selfish, cowardly people in the Senate. You will only enable Dems to take over. How about working hard to get real conservatives elected?
Look, if you're happy with Trump's level of fiscal conservatism, you're entitled to that opinion. I'm not. He said he would attack the debt. in fact, he said he could eliminate it in 8 years instead he's adding to it........massively. He said he would propose a Constitutional Amendment within the first 100 days establishing term limits. This was 100% within his control. He chose not to do it (without term limits many hard choices just won't get made). He said he'd "lock her up". She's still walking around. He said "Mexico will pay for the wall" (over and over and over again he said it). Instead he wants to appropriate $25B for US taxpayers to pay for the wall. He insists on not tackling entitlements.
Fiscally, I don't think it matters if the Dems or the Reps are in power, they just all want to spend, spend spend......and spend money we don't have. Would Hillary really have put together a budget that added more to the debt than the $7T Trump's own budget recognizes he'll add to it? I have my doubts about that. JMO.
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There are no "permanent" legislative accomplishments. You do the best you can, with what you have.
This site appears a gathering place, for many who throw their hands up in despair, at anything short of 100% of what they want.
Almost all of the disappointment with the legislature by "conservatives," ought to be centered on about 5 Senators.
They are allowed to wear the label Republican, but they fail to support the Republican policy positions much of the time.
It's far from 100% for me, but things are certainly a matter of priority. My personal top 5 issues (in no particular order) are: fiscal responsibility, national security, truthfulness and honesty, law and order, and term limits.
I'm a fiscal conservative. In this regards, Trump has failed miserably IMO. On truthfulness and honesty, Team Trump has failed miserably over and over and over and over again. Trump has done well on national security issues (e.g., removing rules of engagement in the fight against ISIS), and I've given him credit for that. On law and order, I really looked forward to "lock her up", and Trump's attacks against the FBI are self-serving rather than constructive IMO. Trump promised to propose a Term Limit Constitutional Amendment within his first 100 days. He chose not to.
During the campaign he said that he alone could fix Washington. I suspected him to be a liar and a self-centered charlatan, and I believe his words and his actions in office have proven me correct.
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I'm glad Invar has a friend in the Doom and Gloom world.
Things are not that bad and they're getting better. Trump IS doing some good, at least on the economic front. I watched Rush on Chris Wall-ass (as they call him on TOS) and he cheered me up. He thinks Trump has made enormous strides.
For example, Chris brought up the 'not getting rid of Obamacare' thing and Rush pointed out that the very worst part of it is gone.
I think it is tilting at windmills to vote for Mickey Mouse because we have too many selfish, cowardly people in the Senate. You will only enable Dems to take over. How about working hard to get real conservatives elected?
Doom and gloom????? Things are pretty darn gloomy when we are potentially looking at losing our rule of law as there seems to be complete failure to hold those within the DOJ (pas and present) responsible for their corruption. Also, we can work as hard as we can to try to get real conservatives elected; but when you have the leader of the Senate and the NRSC working to ensure that conservatives DO NOT get in, it makes it very difficult to do so.
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This site appears a gathering place, for many who throw their hands up in despair, at anything short of 100% of what they want.
Do you believe I am getting 99% of what I want and whining about the missing 1%? I think that is hysterical hyperbole, but despite this, I do not think you are irrational.
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Are you reading this @Mesaclone? This is the overwhelming response and reaction we are receiving when discussing the failure of the Republican party and brand in our efforts to get these Conservatives out of your wholly-corrupted and useless party and into a third party that you fear and despise so much.
There is absolutely no reason any Conservative should vote for a Republican when the Republican Party holds them in contempt while passing the Democrat agenda.
And you and your party are about to discover just how disgusted and finished with it many Conservatives are.
Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us countless times over decades - we are just practicing insanity voting for Republicans expecting Conservative results.
That message now resonates because the fruits of your party being just another arm of Big Government Statism is become self-evident.
If, by "overwhelming", you mean 2-3% of conservatives...sure. And if everyone you consider a "pure" conservative joined your little imaginary 3rd party...you'd top out at, maybe, 30%. Probably a good bit less. So, please inform us how you plan to implement a conservative agenda with nowhere near 50% support... amongst the populace without destroying Constitutional government.
How do you plan to govern with a minority? Let me help you on that one...you can't. You'd have to form a coalition that would pull in the other 20...but as you've made clear...such coalitions are the root of all evil. In short...you "plan" absolutely stinks.