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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Sanguine on January 23, 2019, 10:24:17 pm
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SEBRING, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say five people have been killed in a shooting at a Florida bank.
Sebring police Chief Karl Hoglund said during a news conference that Zephen Xaver was arrested Wednesday afternoon at a SunTrust Bank branch.
Hoglund says a man contacted dispatch and reported that he had fired shots inside the bank. Police say initial negotiations to get the barricaded man to leave the bank were unsuccessful. The Highlands County Sheriff's Office SWAT team entered the bank to continue the negotiations, and the man eventually surrendered....
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/national/at-least-five-dead-in-florida-bank-shooting-standoff/article_8c6e6cae-89e9-5736-8cb8-1fb1f7f68fd1.html (https://www.wacotrib.com/news/national/at-least-five-dead-in-florida-bank-shooting-standoff/article_8c6e6cae-89e9-5736-8cb8-1fb1f7f68fd1.html)
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**nononono*
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Sheriff's Office SWAT team entered the building to continue negotiations, and the man eventually surrendered
Well. Isn't that a silver lining in all this. *****rollingeyes*****
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Yeah, but it's Sebring, so this is the SWAT "team", which is really just one guy that's so fat he weighs as much as an entire team.
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/271722299891477562/BA0284D7ECBE89255384E4C35B6AF5821B9D3C38/)
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Yeah, but it's Sebring, so this is the SWAT "team", which is really just one guy that's so fat he weighs as much as an entire team.
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/271722299891477562/BA0284D7ECBE89255384E4C35B6AF5821B9D3C38/)
Well then that explains why this axxhole wasn't brought out of the bank looking holier than the Pope.
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Hey guys, that's real funny and all, but remember that this story is about five people shot dead today. Maybe you can keep the funny pics for a funny pic thread.
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Well then that explains why this axxhole wasn't brought out of the bank looking holier than the Pope.
Maybe it's the small town factor. No one but endurance race fans and natives know where Sebring is.
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Hey guys, that's real funny and all, but remember that this story is about five people shot dead today. Maybe you can keep the funny pics for a funny pic thread.
We're in the middle of discussing why the shooter wasn't executed on the spot by the police instead of them wasting the day chatting with him so if you could move along and tell someone else how they should think about current event it would be appreciated.
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Maybe it's the small town factor. No one but endurance race fans and natives know where Sebring is.
So basically the crossing guards keep shrapnel vests and AK's in the trunk of their Hyundais so that they can shift into a SWAT team when this type of thing goes down.
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Zephen doesn't look like he had much of a day judging by his mugshot....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/24/00/8911790-6624915-image-m-29_1548289637948.jpg)
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Maybe it's the small town factor. No one but endurance race fans and natives know where Sebring is.
I attended that race once in the 80's. About halfway thru any female needed an escort to the ladies. I didn't drink, do drugs or smoke. There were very few sober, straight fans in attendance.
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Zephen doesn't look like he had much of a day judging by his mugshot....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/24/00/8911790-6624915-image-m-29_1548289637948.jpg)
A pissed off "incel" maybe? It'll be interesting to see what this POS's motive was.
RIP to the victims.
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Maybe it's the small town factor. No one but endurance race fans and natives know where Sebring is.
I have a friend who lives there....
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A pissed off "incel" maybe? It'll be interesting to see what this POS's motive was.
RIP to the victims.
That vile pos would look a lot better hanging from the end of a rope.
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That vile pos would look a lot better hanging from the end of a rope.
No argument there...
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Zephen doesn't look like he had much of a day judging by his mugshot....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/24/00/8911790-6624915-image-m-29_1548289637948.jpg)
Seems to me the poor guy used at least four to many rounds, disturbed enough to kill others but too cowardly to just off himself. If it wasn't a gun, he would probably have used a car, but hey I bet he's thinking "People know who I am now, they won't forget me now, I'll be famous, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" How long till we hear about how long authorities knew this guy was ready to completely lose it?
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A pissed off "incel" maybe? It'll be interesting to see what this POS's motive was.
RIP to the victims.
He'll be voted "Most Likely to Be 'Dahmered' in Prison"
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LOOK at his t-shirt.
The Four Horsemen...
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LOOK at his t-shirt.
The Four Horsemen...
I noticed tbat too.
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Uh... he opened fire and killed five people in a bank.... and he's still alive? Am I the only one here that thinks wackos like this should be shot and killed like the rabid dogs they are, thus saving the taxpayers the cost of the ahole's trial, defense, and imprisonment for the rest of their miserable lives...? Forget the ""negotiations"". He lost that perk the moment he took an innocent life. I bet if it became the norm for the cops to shoot to kill in these instances (no negotiating), fewer of these morons would be so willing to get their 15 minutes of fame by killing others.
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Uh... he opened fire and killed five people in a bank.... and he's still alive? Am I the only one here that thinks wackos like this should be shot and killed like the rabid dogs they are, thus saving the taxpayers the cost of the ahole's trial, defense, and imprisonment for the rest of their miserable lives...? Forget the ""negotiations"". He lost that perk the moment he took an innocent life. I bet if it became the norm for the cops to shoot to kill in these instances (no negotiating), fewer of these morons would be so willing to get their 15 minutes of fame by killing others.
Usually they have the good judgement to self-execute.
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Usually they have the good judgement to self-execute.
Yeah, but when they don't.... why should taxpayers have to foot the bill of giving them a 'freebie' trial so they can sit in a prison cell for the rest of their lives, at taxpayers' expense. And this perp has a LOT of years left to spend on that taxpayer dime....
unless somebody in prison offs him. 888mouth
I'm thinking of how I'd feel if he had just killed someone in my family.
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I noticed tbat too.
If you noticed that maybe this video will interest you.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5yzha8EUw#)
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Yeah, but when they don't.... why should taxpayers have to foot the bill of giving them a 'freebie' trial so they can sit in a prison cell for the rest of their lives, at taxpayers' expense. And this perp has a LOT of years left to spend on that taxpayer dime....
unless somebody in prison offs him. 888mouth
I'm thinking of how I'd feel if he had just killed someone in my family.
I think FL has a Death Penalty, and if I were a family member I'd do anything I could to see to it a five-time mass murderer gets it. Same for that punk who killed 17 people at that High School.
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A pissed off "incel" maybe? It'll be interesting to see what this POS's motive was.
RIP to the victims.
No motive according to DM. Just another sick wacko. I wonder if he was on meds. Many/most shooters are.
And yes. He did announce what he was going to do more than once.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6627913/Florida-man-accused-killing-five-people-bank-fascination-death-ex-claims.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6627913/Florida-man-accused-killing-five-people-bank-fascination-death-ex-claims.html)
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Yeah, but when they don't.... why should taxpayers have to foot the bill of giving them a 'freebie' trial so they can sit in a prison cell for the rest of their lives, at taxpayers' expense. And this perp has a LOT of years left to spend on that taxpayer dime....
unless somebody in prison offs him. 888mouth
I'm thinking of how I'd feel if he had just killed someone in my family.
Maybe you've seen the video of the sex offender who was walking down the hallway being led into a courtroom somewhere in America.
As he was being led down the hallway, he passed a man who was supposedly talking on a telephone located in the hallway. You can see the whole thing on the video.
As the sex offender walks by, the man on the phone puts it down, turns around, pulls out a gun and shoots the pos dead.
It turned out the scum had sexually assaulted the guy with the telephone's daughter.
I believe the father received no punishment for his extra-judicial act.
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No motive according to DM. Just another sick wacko. I wonder if he was on meds. Many/most shooters are.
And yes. He did announce what he was going to do more than once.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6627913/Florida-man-accused-killing-five-people-bank-fascination-death-ex-claims.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6627913/Florida-man-accused-killing-five-people-bank-fascination-death-ex-claims.html)
Being reported that all 5 killed were women...
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Maybe you've seen the video of the sex offender who was walking down the hallway being led into a courtroom somewhere in America.
As he was being led down the hallway, he passed a man who was supposedly talking on a telephone located in the hallway. You can see the whole thing on the video.
As the sex offender walks by, the man on the phone puts it down, turns around, pulls out a gun and shoots the pos dead.
It turned out the scum had sexually assaulted the guy with the telephone's daughter.
I believe the father received no punishment for his extra-judicial act.
Well, when government fails to deliver justice.... it is (and will be again some day) up to citizens to deliver said justice. An expected result from too many liberal judges inexplicably giving perps a slap on the wrist for heinous crimes...(too many instances of the truly guilty getting away with it).
That kind of justice depends upon which state you're in, of course.
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Being reported that all 5 killed were women...
A report I read said that he simply killed everybody in the bank. They just happened to be all women.
If this is true, it makes it even more baffling why swat didn't take him out?
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A report I read said that he simply killed everybody in the bank. They just happened to be all women.
If this is true, it makes it even more baffling why swat didn't take him out?
Another case of law enforcement being ordered to "stand down"?
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A report I read said that he simply killed everybody in the bank. They just happened to be all women.
If this is true, it makes it even more baffling why swat didn't take him out?
Maybe because SWAT has a bit more on the professional (legal) side and not so much on the vigilante side?
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Maybe because SWAT has a bit more on the professional (legal) side and not so much on the vigilante side?
That would be my guess.
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A report I read said that he simply killed everybody in the bank. They just happened to be all women.
If this is true, it makes it even more baffling why swat didn't take him out?
His ex-girlfriend is saying she'd be warning authorities for a while now...it appears that again, LE has failed their due diligence, "see something, say something".
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That would be my guess.
Small town. My guess would be the SWAT team was called in and not local. If a local cop(s) went in and saw their neighbor, or relative, lying there dead, the end result may have been very different.
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His ex-girlfriend is saying she'd be warning authorities for a while now...it appears that again, LE has failed their due diligence, "see something, say something".
Another case of deliberate negligence and refusal to protect citizens. How many does that make now...?
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Another case of deliberate negligence and refusal to protect citizens. How many does that make now...?
Meanwhile, the state of Floriduh does everything possible to ensure nobody can defend themselves by throwing the full force of the State into locking up George Zimmerman for shooting a Yout that was bashing his brains out on a sidewalk and grabbing for Zimmerman's gun.
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Meanwhile, the state of Floriduh does everything possible to ensure nobody can defend themselves by throwing the full force of the State into locking up George Zimmerman for shooting a Yout that was bashing his brains out on a sidewalk and grabbing for Zimmerman's gun.
Oh yeah. And Martin was yet another Yout that had been protected by the Obama/Holder "rule" of not arresting perps of color.... as was the school shooter Cruz. The blood on their hands will, I hope, haunt them to their graves and beyond (same with Hillary).
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If you noticed that maybe this video will interest you.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5yzha8EUw#)
I tried it. I really did. But I can't handle that stuff. Some things I think they were being overly alarmist about, but most of what they talk about I have no interest and/or participation in. I'm comfortable and confident in my beliefs and I have no interest in people warning me about what bleep nuts like celebrities do to draw more attention to themselves. I already know that celebrities are not people to be idolized or copied.
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Small town. My guess would be the SWAT team was called in and not local. If a local cop(s) went in and saw their neighbor, or relative, lying there dead, the end result may have been very different.
If he had fired at SWAT, he would be dead right now. So he had the "bravery" to shoot five unarmed women but when the real guys showed up, he dropped his weapon and went peacefully. What a coward.
BTW, something that has been bothering me is, where was the security guard in all this? Is this a bank with no security? Is this bank a 'gun free zone'?
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I tried it. I really did. But I can't handle that stuff. Some things I think they were being overly alarmist about, but most of what they talk about I have no interest and/or participation in. I'm comfortable and confident in my beliefs and I have no interest in people warning me about what bleep nuts like celebrities do to draw more attention to themselves. I already know that celebrities are not people to be idolized or copied.
I respect that.
The things they talk about in the vid is stuff that would draw in this guy. Apparently, he has a fascination with death. Where does he get that from?
Some people stopped by to look at the pups a little while ago. One for their slightly off, or should I say "special needs" 12-year-old. He was here, too. He seemed nice enough and "here". My wife asked him what he liked? He calmly replied, "Killing people", and after a few seconds added, "I play video games". I am serious. My eyes widened a bit. But I didn't say anything. He was very excited about getting a puppy. His interaction with the one he chose kinda showed his more true mental age. His mom says they have a couple of other cats. But this will be his dog. They will be weaned in 3 more weeks.
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Is this the guy that was "upset" that he was still a virgin?
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If he had fired at SWAT, he would be dead right now. So he had the "bravery" to shoot five unarmed women but when the real guys showed up, he dropped his weapon and went peacefully. What a coward.
BTW, something that has been bothering me is, where was the security guard in all this? Is this a bank with no security? Is this bank a 'gun free zone'?
Again small town. The town I live in--4000 pop. has a branch of the credit union we use and 3 banks. No guards. Nor anyone visible in the credit union main branch in the big town. Not that go in and ask about any of their security. They seem to do a good job on the cyber side.
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(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/24/PBRE/25c61d16-3b6f-49b4-87b7-10971138b3e1-Zephen_Xaver.jpg?crop=511,704,x70,y206&width=180&height=240&fit=bounds&auto=webp)
... Xaver kept a scant presence on social media with a Facebook page that listed nine friends while including a single photo of the man. The page shows he lived in Sebring and is single. Another Facebook Page, apparently set up when he lived in Plymouth, Indiana, shows an image of the Grim Reaper and a meme that reads, ‘God is busy right now…may I help you?’
That page shows 334 friends and that Xaver, who also appears to be a Japanese anime fan, lived in Bremen, Indiana. A Twitter account set up in 2017 also turns up, following a variety of people, including President Donald Trump, Rolling Stones lead singer Mick Jagger and New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker. ...USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/23/sebring-florida-shooting-suspect-zephen-xaver-suntrust-bank/2663733002/)
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Yet again, the media only cares about a shooting if they can blame a white man.
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I respect that.
The things they talk about in the vid is stuff that would draw in this guy. Apparently, he has a fascination with death. Where does he get that from?
Some people stopped by to look at the pups a little while ago. One for their slightly off, or should I say "special needs" 12-year-old. He was here, too. He seemed nice enough and "here". My wife asked him what he liked? He calmly replied, "Killing people", and after a few seconds added, "I play video games". I am serious. My eyes widened a bit. But I didn't say anything. He was very excited about getting a puppy. His interaction with the one he chose kinda showed his more true mental age. His mom says they have a couple of other cats. But this will be his dog. They will be weaned in 3 more weeks.
Yeah, well, the guy was obviously unstable, and all the stuff that video was talking about I attribute to being followed by the mentally infirm.
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Yeah, well, the guy was obviously unstable, and all the stuff that video was talking about I attribute to being followed by the mentally infirm.
"mentally infirm" is a broad brush.
Am I allowed to say "broad"?
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Yeah, well, the guy was obviously unstable, and all the stuff that video was talking about I attribute to being followed by the mentally infirm.
He was such a moody child, very hard to touch.
Even as a baby he never smiled too much.....
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"mentally infirm" is a broad brush.
Am I allowed to say "broad"?
Only chicks are allowed to say, "broad." What kind of an idiot calls a broad a chick?
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"mentally infirm" is a broad brush.
Am I allowed to say "broad"?
You can say broad, as long as you don-t follow it with brush.
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There is nothing like a dame
Nothing in the world.
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You can say broad, as long as you don-t follow it with brush.
uh-oh
I thought "owner's manual" meant they were Spanish.
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Well, when government fails to deliver justice.... it is (and will be again some day) up to citizens to deliver said justice. An expected result from too many liberal judges inexplicably giving perps a slap on the wrist for heinous crimes...(too many instances of the truly guilty getting away with it).
That kind of justice depends upon which state you're in, of course.
The daughter of one of my female co-workers was raped. The trial was delayed and the perp repeated the act (he was walking around free on bail). When my co-worker contacted the AG to express her concern, he shrugged and said "usually the family takes care of these issues". My co-worker allowed as how her ex-husband was a drunk and useless, so she had been depending on the legal system for justice. The perp raped a third girl and ended up dead in a ravine way up in the mountains. Tennessee mountain people.
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Uh... he opened fire and killed five people in a bank.... and he's still alive? Am I the only one here that thinks wackos like this should be shot and killed like the rabid dogs they are, thus saving the taxpayers the cost of the ahole's trial, defense, and imprisonment for the rest of their miserable lives...? Forget the ""negotiations"". He lost that perk the moment he took an innocent life. I bet if it became the norm for the cops to shoot to kill in these instances (no negotiating), fewer of these morons would be so willing to get their 15 minutes of fame by killing others.
The truth is the cops did a good job by not shooting him. If he's not a lethal threat anymore you're not supposed to kill him; that's how our laws work. It stings a little in situations like this, but these standards exist for good reasons.
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The daughter of one of my female co-workers was raped. The trial was delayed and the perp repeated the act (he was walking around free on bail). When my co-worker contacted the AG to express her concern, he shrugged and said "usually the family takes care of these issues". My co-worker allowed as how her ex-husband was a drunk and useless, so she had been depending on the legal system for justice. The perp raped a third girl and ended up dead in a ravine way up in the mountains. Tennessee mountain people.
Sounds like the Prosecutor had it right.
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The truth is the cops did a good job by not shooting him. If he's not a lethal threat anymore you're not supposed to kill him; that's how our laws work. It stings a little in situations like this, but these standards exist for good reasons.
That's how it works. Had an Officer shot the perp after he was no longer a risk, that would be Murder.
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The truth is the cops did a good job by not shooting him. If he's not a lethal threat anymore you're not supposed to kill him; that's how our laws work. It stings a little in situations like this, but these standards exist for good reasons.
My point is... you don't ""negotiate"" with a rabid dog. You eliminate the danger that rabid dog presents. Too often, in these mass shooting incidents... whether due to political correctness or the idiocy/liberalness of the law enforcement PTBs... the officers are ordered to 'stand down' or 'negotiate' after innocent lives have been taken. Why negotiate with someone that just killed everyone in the bank? There were no (live) hostaqes to negotiate for. :shrug:
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My point is... you don't ""negotiate"" with a rabid dog. You eliminate the danger that rabid dog presents. Too often, in these mass shooting incidents... whether due to political correctness or the idiocy/liberalness of the law enforcement PTBs... the officers are ordered to 'stand down' or 'negotiate' after innocent lives have been taken. Why negotiate with someone that just killed everyone in the bank? There were no (live) hostaqes to negotiate for. :shrug:
There was still one "hostage," the perp. If the Police had shot him after he surrendered his weapon, they'd be tried for Murder (and probably convicted, too). I have to agree with @Dexter on this one.
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There was still one "hostage," the perp. If the Police had shot him after he surrendered his weapon, they'd be tried for Murder (and probably convicted, too). I have to agree with @Dexter on this one.
And notice.... that I said "Too often, in these mass shooting incidents....".
I don't know the exact timing of these "negotiations" and how it went down in this incident. But I do know, from past history, how it has gone down previously. That's all I'm saying.
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And notice.... that I said "Too often, in these mass shooting incidents....".
I don't know the exact timing of these "negotiations" and how it went down in this incident. But I do know, from past history, how it has gone down previously. That's all I'm saying.
It is unusual for a perp to surrender...they usually go down shooting. "Suicide by Cop."
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It is unusual for a perp to surrender...they usually go down shooting. "Suicide by Cop."
Usually they are already suicidal and thus, mentally unbalanced.
This one looks like a "mommy's basement" dwelling man-child to me. Fine with gunning down innocent women... as if he was back in da basement playing his video games, but doesn't want to get gunned down himself. Which tells me his only mental problems are hate and cowardice. :shrug:
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There was still one "hostage," the perp. If the Police had shot him after he surrendered his weapon, they'd be tried for Murder (and probably convicted, too). I have to agree with @Dexter on this one.
Me too. If I were a cop, I would be willing to risk my life for live hostages, but not to extra-judiciously kill an alleged perpetrator. The cop would pay dearly for doing so, and so would his family and co-workers.
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Sutherland Springs church shooting.
I wonder if this shooter would have peacefully surrendered to police if he hadn't been shot by a "bystander" when he left the church? It appears he was attempting to run away and not make his last stand at the church.
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Sutherland Springs church shooting.
I wonder if this shooter would have peacefully surrendered to police if he hadn't been shot by a "bystander" when he left the church? It appears he was attempting to run away and not make his last stand at the church.
When a perp is fleeing, he must be considered by the Cops to still be a threat to others. Shooting him under those circumstances would not be considered Murder by anybody other than a cop-hating DA.
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My point is... you don't ""negotiate"" with a rabid dog. You eliminate the danger that rabid dog presents. Too often, in these mass shooting incidents... whether due to political correctness or the idiocy/liberalness of the law enforcement PTBs... the officers are ordered to 'stand down' or 'negotiate' after innocent lives have been taken. Why negotiate with someone that just killed everyone in the bank? There were no (live) hostaqes to negotiate for. :shrug:
Pakland HS is a textbook example of what I bolded. In that case the shooter could have been stopped by a teacher before he ever entered the building and wasn't. And then there was the cowdarice displayed by the BCSO.
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Sutherland Springs church shooting.
I wonder if this shooter would have peacefully surrendered to police if he hadn't been shot by a "bystander" when he left the church? It appears he was attempting to run away and not make his last stand at the church.
Nope he was attempting to evade capture. He only stopped shooting in the church IIRC when he was engaged by a civilian with a firearm.
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When a perp is fleeing, he must be considered by the Cops to still be a threat to others. Shooting him under those circumstances would not be considered Murder by anybody other than a cop-hating DA.
During the chase, Kelley called his father to tell him that he was injured and thought that he would not survive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting
Shot while fleeing, yes. Maybe I am reading too much into this. But if he used the word "survive" then it points me in the direction that he intended to survive if he hadn't been shot by the neighbor.
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Pakland HS is a textbook example of what I bolded. In that case the shooter could have been stopped by a teacher before he ever entered the building and wasn't. And then there was the cowdarice displayed by the BCSO.
Right. That's one incident I was thinking of. Thanks.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting
Shot while fleeing, yes. Maybe I am reading too much into this. But if he used the word "survive" then it points me in the direction that he intended to survive if he hadn't been shot by the neighbor.
Other than people being murdered there is not much similarity between this bank and Sutherland.
My point is and was, if this fellow surrendered and gave up his weapon, killing him at that point would be Murder, and would be charged as such.
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Nope he was attempting to evade capture. He only stopped shooting in the church IIRC when he was engaged by a civilian with a firearm.
Also in the same Wikipedia article:
He was shot twice by a male civilian as he exited the church.
As Kelley left the church, he was confronted by and traded fire with Stephen Willeford, a local resident and former NRA firearms instructor[12] who was armed with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.
I don't know. I wasn't there. It appears he had stopped his rampage and was only attempting to flee and only fired at the neighbor after being confronted.
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Also in the same Wikipedia article:
I don't know. I wasn't there. It appears he had stopped his rampage and was only attempting to flee and only fired at the neighbor after being confronted.
He neither surrendered to the neighbor nor gave up his weapon. That made him armed and a danger to others. That's why I say the cases are not similar.
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Maybe because SWAT has a bit more on the professional (legal) side and not so much on the vigilante side?
More Kersey, less SWAT!
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Uh... he opened fire and killed five people in a bank.... and he's still alive? Am I the only one here that thinks wackos like this should be shot and killed like the rabid dogs they are, thus saving the taxpayers the cost of the ahole's trial, defense, and imprisonment for the rest of their miserable lives...? Forget the ""negotiations"". He lost that perk the moment he took an innocent life. I bet if it became the norm for the cops to shoot to kill in these instances (no negotiating), fewer of these morons would be so willing to get their 15 minutes of fame by killing others.
The other side of that is once they kill one person, . . . . they have nothing to lose so it's sky's the limit.