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Biden demands Netanyahu accept ‘immediate ceasefire’ after humanitarian workers killed
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Christian Datoc
April 4, 2024 2:11 pm
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President Joe Biden threatened to pull support for Israel unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accepts an “immediate ceasefire” and takes steps to curb civilian casualties in Gaza.
The demand, made in a Thursday phone call with the Israeli leader — their first since Israeli Defense Forces bombed a humanitarian convoy, killing seven World Central Kitchen aid workers — marks a dramatic escalation in the president’s posture toward the Jewish state.
Biden had previously told WCK founder Chef Jose Andres that the attack left him “heartbroken” and that he would press Israel to change its military operations in Gaza. The strike, which Israel called an accident, killed one American citizen.
“President Biden emphasized that the strikes on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable. He made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers,” the White House‘s readout of the call states.
“He made clear that U.S. policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps,” the statement adds. “He underscored that an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians, and he urged the Prime Minister to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home.”
National Security Council spokesman John Kirby declined to elaborate on what conditions Biden set for Israel should it not change its operating procedures regarding Gaza.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2953578/biden-netanyahu-concrete-steps-civilian-casualties-gaza/
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Biden Co-Chair Coons: It’s Now Time for U.S. to Put Conditions on Aid to Israel
Biden 2024 campaign co-chairman Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) said Thursday on CNN that he now wants the United States to put conditions on military aid to Israel.
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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/04/04/biden-co-chair-coons-its-now-time-for-u-s-to-put-conditions-on-aid-to-israel/
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Biden will do anything to get a vote..
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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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Israel has notified the United States that if Iran makes the decision to Target the Territory of Israel, then they will be forced to Respond.
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BRUTAL: John Kirby Trips All Over Himself Trying to Defend Biden's Phone Call With Netanyahu
By Bonchie | 3:28 PM on April 04, 2024
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1775952228391555185
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/04/04/watch-john-kirby-trips-all-over-himself-trying-to-defend-bidens-phone-call-with-netanyahu-n2172316
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Brigitte Gabriel
@ACTBrigitte
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Biden has betrayed Israel.
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Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, Islamic Jihad, and Revolutionary Guard are all smoke screens for the real instigator, the regime in Tehran.
Iran is winning its war against the West.
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Dana Loesch
@DLoesch
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Biden bent the knee to both Hamas and China in the same day, it's a new record
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One could almost come to the conclusion that the "aid" workers being killed was planned or something... :smokin:
Who could've predicted such a response? :whistle:
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Barak Ravid
@BarakRavid
BREAKING: Biden told Netanyahu an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize & improve the humanitarian situation & protect innocent civilians & he urged Netanyahu to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home, the White House says
1:55 PM · Apr 4, 2024
Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
"Empower his negotiators to conclude a deal"? What deal, precisely, does Biden think is on the table? Hamas literally just rejected a six-week ceasefire with a 40-terrorist-to-one-hostage ratio.
4:43 PM · Apr 4, 2024
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Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
Joe Biden will cause WWIII through his utter and complete stupidity.
Here is his current position:
1. The United States is willing to go to direct war with a nuclear power by admitting Ukraine to NATO. The minute Ukraine joins NATO, Article 5 will be invoked and we are then in a shooting war with Russia.
2. The United States is demanding a ceasefire from an ally, Israel, in a war with a terrorist group holding hostages including Americans, in a conflict involving precisely ZERO US troops. Iran and its terror proxies now know that if they murder over a thousand citizens of an American ally, take hundreds of hostages, and then hide among civilians, Joe Biden will save them.
It is nearly impossible to believe one human being could be so stupid. But Joe Biden always surpasses expectations.
4:42 PM · Apr 4, 2024
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I realize my memory isn't as good as it once was...but didn't we accidently hit a residence that included civilians and aid workers in Afghanistan? Not long ago?
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I realize my memory isn't as good as it once was...but didn't we accidently hit a residence that included civilians and aid workers in Afghanistan? Not long ago?
Yes...a whole family was killed accidentally of course..
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I realize my memory isn't as good as it once was...but didn't we accidently hit a residence that included civilians and aid workers in Afghanistan? Not long ago?
It's okay when Democrat presidents kill civilians in undeclared wars, dontcha know.
(See also Bill Clinton and the bombing of Serbian churches and hospitals on Easter Sunday).
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Obviously and very well documented, Hamas and all terrorist groups have NO regard whatsoever of ANY of the normal accepted standard 'rules of war'. Hamas routinely attacks from areas which are crowded with civilians. Hamas routinely smuggles fighters, bombs, ammo, and weapons, in brightly marked ambulances and in aid trucks and convoys.
Hamas has NO concern for civilians including their own people. Hamas works relentlessly to provoke and 'trick' Israel into firing on civilians and civilian areas. They want and deliberately setup exactly this kind of accident.
If Hamas were not savage bloodthirsty animals and behaved like normal civilized human beings, then accidents like this one would never happen.
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I realize my memory isn't as good as it once was...but didn't we accidently hit a residence that included civilians and aid workers in Afghanistan? Not long ago?
A man was killed together with his young children...he was thought to be carrying gasoline in glass jugs...it was fresh water for a neighborhood without.
...heard it on the Chris Plante show this morning.
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Do not forget that this is all Obama's doing.
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Antony Blinken Warns Israel Becoming Like Hamas; Losing ‘Reverence for Human Life’
Secretary of State Antony Blinken appeared to equate the State of Israel with the terrorist organization Hamas in remarks on Thursday, suggesting that both showed the same disregard for civilian life, evidence to the contrary.
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/04/antony-blinken-warns-israel-like-hamas-losing-reverence-for-human-life/
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Is Hamas still launching missiles at Israeli civilians?
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Biden’s highly damaging call for an immediate Gaza ceasefire
By
Tom Rogan
April 4, 2024 5:29 pm
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President Joe Biden has called on Israel to adopt an immediate ceasefire with Hamas. In a call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday, Biden warned of other undefined U.S. policy shifts absent Israeli policy changes following its accidental killing of seven aid workers on Monday.
Putting those prospective policy shifts to one side, Biden’s call for a ceasefire represents a major strategic and moral error. Israel cannot accept such a ceasefire without signaling unacceptable weakness to its enemies. Deterrent posturing is always a sacrosanct Israeli security concern for two reasons. First, the legacy of the Holocaust amid repeated efforts by Israel’s neighbors to eliminate it. Second, the rising specter of an Iranian nuclear weapon. But it’s a particularly critical concern following the profound degradation of Israeli deterrent power amid Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, invasion. Biden’s ceasefire demand will only fuel Hamas’s intransigence and encourage Iranian aggression.
Further, while the Biden administration claims it seeks only a temporary ceasefire, it knows full well that such a ceasefire would allow Hamas to consolidate its defenses in its southern Rafah stronghold. As a result, Israeli forces would take greater casualties in any future operation. The administration also knows Israel would face unprecedented international diplomatic pressure not to recommence military operations once any temporary ceasefire began.
It gets worse.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/2953937/bidens-highly-damaging-call-for-immediate-ceasefire/
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The loss of aid workers is sad, however; they knew they were going into a war zone. They put themselves in harms way, and sadly paid the price.
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Bill Ackman
@BillAckman
Can anyone think of another situation in history where Americans were taken hostage by terrorists and our President acted as if this has not occurred.
I can’t think of one example in the last 181 days where @POTUS Biden has expressed concern for the American hostages that are still being held by Hamas.
Does this make you feel safe as an American citizen?
7:11 AM · Apr 5, 2024
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Netanyahu Spox on Biden’s Threats to Change Policy: Hamas Wants Pressure on Israel, Not Them
Ian Hanchett 4 Apr 2024
On Thursday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “America Reports,” Netanyahu Spokesperson Tal Heinrich said that Netanyahu and President Joe Biden had a “good call” and the U.S. and Israel agree on the need to eliminate Hamas while minimizing civilian harm and the desire to free the hostages. She also responded to the Biden administration threatening changes in its policy if Israel doesn’t change by saying that “People have to understand that Hamas, they want international pressure to be applied on Israel instead of on them” and “there will be no humanitarian pause in the fighting, no ceasefire that will leave our hostages in Gaza and leave Hamas in power. That is unacceptable on our end.”
Co-host Sandra Smith played video of Secretary of State Antony Blinken saying, “With regard to our policy in Gaza, look, I’ll just say this, if we don’t see the changes that we need to see, there will be changes in our own policy.”
Smith then asked, “So, this is the messaging. How would you characterize this moment in the war?”
Heinrich responded, “You see — first, it’s every moment in this war, including right now, is a moment for moral clarity. This is another moment for moral clarity. People have to understand that Hamas, they want international pressure to be applied on Israel instead of on them and, again, let them live another day and stay in power. There’s a lot of talk I’m hearing about an immediate humanitarian pause in the fighting, so to say, a ceasefire. It’s important to understand, there will be no humanitarian pause in the fighting, no ceasefire that will leave our hostages in Gaza and leave Hamas in power. That is unacceptable on our end.”
Heinrich also stated that the U.S. will have to explain what it means by changes in policy.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/04/04/netanyahu-spox-on-bidens-threats-to-change-policy-hamas-wants-pressure-on-israel-not-them/
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Antony Blinken Warns Israel Becoming Like Hamas;
So this is a GOOD thing, right? If Israel is becoming like Hamas then shouldn't Blinken pressure Hamas for an 'immediate ceasefire'? If Israel is like Hamas then shouldn't the American Leftist Democrats support and protest in favor of Israel?
I want to see a bridge shut down for Israel (who apparently is now the same as Hamas). If Israel is 'like Hamas' then doesn't that mean that Israel is the designated 'victim'? And Hamas is now the aggressor?
How does Hamas being Hamas make Hamas the good guys, but Israel behaving like Hamas makes Israel the bad guy?
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It is the Biden Idiocracy that is the primary supporter of terrorism in the world. He is funding Iran and providing aid to an enemy of the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel. It would be like FDR helping Hitler versus England and Russia with Lend Lease.
One of the best ways to end an enemy's efforts is via starvation. That is what Gen Grant did with the Confederacy, and they weakened and lost. Biden is aiding the terrorists of Gaza by making sure their bellies are full. Makes no sense.
I fully support Netanyahu, who I hope tells Biden to kiss his posterior.
To repeat myself, I subscribe to Admiral William Halsey's philosophy of dealing with enemies. 'In a nation like Japan, where the civilian population support the military as they do, the only good Jap civilian, is a Jap civilian that has been dead for six months or more.' In a genocidal maniacal state like Palestine, they all should die. There is nothing redeeming or worth helping in such a state whose sworn to the destruction of a peaceful neighbor. In fact, if Israel were to expend a number of nuclear weapons to end Gaza, I would say they were well within their right. Israel has every right to defend itself. Their effort is no different than that of the USA against Japan in the 1940s. Unconditional surrender, and destroying an enemy.
The USA has become extremely dumb on this score. We as a nation are clueless and no longer a leader of anything. Utterly pathetic!
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I can demand that the store accept my wooden nickel, but, that doesn't mean it will happen.
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Celebrity Chef José Andrés Is An Anti-Israel Dupe
Israel does not target aid workers, engage in genocide, or cause famine. It fights Hamas.
By: David Harsanyi
April 04, 2024 Seven aid workers at the World Central Kitchen mission in Gaza were tragically killed this week in an Israeli attack while delivering trivial amounts of food, bolstering imaginary accusations of “famine” and “genocide.” The man who sent them into a war zone, celebrity chef José Andrés, now contends the workers were “targeted deliberately” and “systematically killed” by Israel. The war in Gaza, he says, is “not a war against terrorism anymore” but a “war against humanity itself.”
One might forgive Andrés, who is likely racked with guilt, for spreading this slander. But there isn’t, of course, a scintilla of evidence to back up the accusation.
Israel has absolutely no logical, tactical, or military reason to target aid workers. For ethical reasons, Israel does not target innocent civilians, nor would it want to hand Jew-haters and anti-Israel activists more fodder. Israel is a liberal democracy with civilian oversight of the military, where investigations into military misconduct regularly occur, and the guilty are punished.
Whatever mistakes it makes, Israel fights to preserve life. It does more to protect civilians than perhaps any military, despite its enemy intentionally putting civilians in harm’s way.
And the best way to protect Palestinians and Jews is to destroy Hamas. Recall, though, that Andrés called for a “ceasefire” only a week after the mass murder, rape, and kidnapping of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians — before Gaza had even invaded. “Ceasefire,” obviously, is a euphemism for Israel’s capitulation. That is what Andrés demanded. ...
https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/04/celebrity-chef-jose-andres-is-an-anti-israel-dupe/
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Celebrity Chef José Andrés Is An Anti-Israel Dupe
Israel does not target aid workers, engage in genocide, or cause famine. It fights Hamas.
By: David Harsanyi
Whatever mistakes it makes, Israel fights to preserve life.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/04/celebrity-chef-jose-andres-is-an-anti-israel-dupe/
The evidence doesn't support this and more and more of the West is not buying it. Israel might want to consider the wisdom of moving past this chapter or at least coming up with a more effective talking point.
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The evidence doesn't support this and more and more of the West is not buying it. Israel might want to consider the wisdom of moving past this chapter or at least coming up with a more effective talking point.
So Israel should forget the attacks Hamas made on Oct. 7 along with the brutal rapes, torture, murders and beheading of infants on their citizens?
Though doubtful that they are alive, what about the hostages???
I side with Israel and Israel WILL remain standing.
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So Israel should forget the attacks Hamas made on Oct. 7
Of course not @libertybele But, Israel should extricate itself from what the world is viewing as a killing spree. Israel should finish this with its neighbors by developing a "day after" plan --- while Israel still enjoys a whit of good will.
The reality is: Israel is not going to kill off Hamas--- all Israel is doing now is spawning them in every nation encircling their own.
And, Israel cannot erase the shocking humiliation of Oct 7. Their strength must now be rebuilt on alliances not based on Israel fighting or threatening war, --- but on peacetime associations yielding shared benefits.
Hopefully, the State of Israel will begin to move beyond the Holocaust as its raison d'être.
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When Joe Biden's guys take out an Afghan family -- 10 dead, 7 of them kids -- that's a "terrible mistake" according to the Pentagon, and no big deal. When the Israelis kill 7 aid workers, that's a world-changing event for Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/20committee/status/1776234959641903307
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Of course not @libertybele But, Israel should extricate itself from what the world is viewing as a killing spree. Israel should finish this with its neighbors by developing a "day after" plan --- while Israel still enjoys a whit of good will.
The reality is: Israel is not going to kill off Hamas--- all Israel is doing now is spawning them in every nation encircling their own.
And, Israel cannot erase the shocking humiliation of Oct 7. Their strength must now be rebuilt on alliances not based on Israel fighting or threatening war, --- but on peacetime associations yielding shared benefits.
Hopefully, the State of Israel will begin to move beyond the Holocaust as its raison d'être.
Hopefully Israel will continue it's retribution swiftly and strongly. I wouldn't dismiss their resolve nor their power. They don't need a reason to continue or explain why they are still seeking retribution for what was done to them just months ago. It is not the decision of the U.S.
I stand with Israel.
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Is Hamas still launching missiles at Israeli civilians?
Checkmate.... Screw Joe Biden and his minions. Tell aid workers to get the heck out of dodge, they only want to be shields to terrorists.
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Hopefully, the State of Israel will begin to move beyond the Holocaust as its raison d'être.
Wow. Just wow.
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Checkmate.... Screw Joe Biden and his minions. Tell aid workers to get the heck out of dodge, they only want to be shields to terrorists.
Unconditional surrender.
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Wow. Just wow.
No "wow" about it ----- Israel should move beyond the Holocaust as its reason for existing. What confuses you about this?
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No "wow" about it ----- Israel should move beyond the Holocaust as its reason for existing. What confuses you about this?
The Holocaust has never been Israel's reason for existing. I can't fathom the amount of bigotry it took to come up with that lie.
So Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices to the God of his father Isaac. Then God spoke to Israel in the visions of the night, and said, “Jacob, Jacob!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
So He said, “I am God, the God of your father; do not fear to go down to Egypt, for I will make of you a great nation there. I will go down with you to Egypt, and I will also surely bring you up again
Genesis 46:1-4
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The Holocaust has never been Israel's reason for existing. I can't fathom the amount of bigotry it took to come up with that lie.
So Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices to the God of his father Isaac. Then God spoke to Israel in the visions of the night, and said, “Jacob, Jacob!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
So He said, “I am God, the God of your father; do not fear to go down to Egypt, for I will make of you a great nation there. I will go down with you to Egypt, and I will also surely bring you up again
Genesis 46:1-4
Your biblical references aside, as most members know, @Right_in_Virginia and myself wholeheartedly disagree when it comes to the topic of Israel.
Just as there would not be a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) or Transportation Security Administration (TSA) if not for Sept 11th 2001, it is a fact that if not for the World War II Holocaust, the United Nations would not have voted to create the modern State of Israel in May, 1948.
Immediately Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon declared war on Israel.
Just as George W. Bush declared "Never Again" in 2001, so too did David Ben Gurion in 1948.
Personally, I don't have a problem with that reasoning. IMO, after Oct 7th, 2023...Israel should bulldoze the entire Gaza Strip into the Mediterranean Sea.
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Your biblical references aside, as most members know, @Right_in_Virginia and myself wholeheartedly disagree when it comes to the topic of Israel.
Just as there would not be a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) or Transportation Security Administration (TSA) if not for Sept 11th 2001, it is a fact that if not for the World War II Holocaust, the United Nations would not have voted to create the modern State of Israel in May, 1948.
Immediately Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon declared war on Israel.
Just as George W. Bush declared "Never Again" in 2001, so too did David Ben Gurion in 1948.
Personally, I don't have a problem with that reasoning. IMO, after Oct 7th, 2023...Israel should bulldoze the entire Gaza Strip into the Mediterranean Sea.
:yowsa:
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Your biblical references aside, as most members know, @Right_in_Virginia and myself wholeheartedly disagree when it comes to the topic of Israel.
Just as there would not be a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) or Transportation Security Administration (TSA) if not for Sept 11th 2001, it is a fact that if not for the World War II Holocaust, the United Nations would not have voted to create the modern State of Israel in May, 1948.
@DCPatriot This is what Ben Gurion meant by "Never Again":
"Never Again" would the Jewish people be voiceless, (they were given a seat at the global table to negotiate while sitting under the wing of the world's superpower),. "Never Again" would the Jewish people be defenseless, (they became masters of their own nuclear arsenal against all international regulations, and receipient of weapons from across Western civilization and would cross established borders, at will, to destroy whatever deemed threatening to the State of Israel). "Never Again" would the Jewish people be without a safe haven (jury is still out).
A David v Goliath story ---- except David is now Goliath. This is a very big problem for Israel. It's why David Ben Gurion wanted Israel to return the land taken in 1967. Keeping it is not a battle of "Never Again" ---- but a battle over territory that will cost Israel its true peace, prosperity and security.
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@DCPatriot This is what Ben Gurion meant by "Never Again":
"Never Again" would the Jewish people be voiceless, (they were given a seat at the global table to negotiate while sitting under the wing of the world's superpower),. "Never Again" would the Jewish people be defenseless, (they became masters of their own nuclear arsenal against all international regulations, and receipient of weapons from across Western civilization and would cross established borders, at will, to destroy whatever deemed threatening to the State of Israel). "Never Again" would the Jewish people be without a safe haven (jury is still out).
A David v Goliath story ---- except David is now Goliath. This is a very big problem for Israel. It's why David Ben Gurion wanted Israel to return the land taken in 1967. Keeping it is not a battle of "Never Again" ---- but a battle over territory that will cost Israel its true peace, prosperity and security.
@Right_in_Virginia
"Never Again"!! Words mean something.
Israel will NEVER allow their citizens to be hunted...rounded up...and murdered ever again!
Bibi Netanyahu should be commended and revered for his love of Israel. For some reason, you can't stand the man. I don't get it. :shrug:
To me, he's a modern Hero who walks the walk and keeps his promises. He's not infallible but then the current Pope surely isn't either. Neither is our common 'Hero', President Trump.
He's wasn't sufficiently experienced in how Washington D.C. works. He took advice from people who wanted him to fail politically. He took recommendations for specific positions and got screwed multiple times.
But you and I still know he's the best man to lead this nation right now.
Bibi dropped the ball and bears the brunt of the failure of Oct 7th for the same stupid reason President Trump is ultimately responsible for not vetoing the insane Covid Stimuli checks to every taxpayer in America.
"The Buck Stops Here" despite the fact not a single politician out there would have done anything differently....not even Rand Paul.
Personally, I think the American People are going to forced to 'swallow' a ton of Castor Oil to get out of the inflationary mess...as did Ronald Reagan with astronomically high mortgage rates during his Administration.
Jesus H. Christ Himself has no shortcut to prosperity...especially going in as a Lame Duck...one term POTUS.
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A David v Goliath story ---- except David is now Goliath.
No, Israel is still David. Except now, David has an army. Goliath is dead. But his relatives won't accept it.
This is a very big problem for Israel.
Jew hatred is a very big problem for Israel. The fact that they have a strong army is not.
It's why David Ben Gurion wanted Israel to return the land taken in 1967.
Yeah, right. Would this be the same David Ben-Gurion who pushed hard for Israeli settlements in the West Bank after the '67 war? You really don't know what you are talking about here. And did you ever stop to think who Israel would return the land to? Before the '67 war, the West Bank belonged to Jordan. They annexed it 17 years prior. As for Gaza, it had been under Egyptian control for 19 years.
So what would that have yielded, @Right_in_Virginia ? Let's say Israel had pulled out of the West Bank and Gaza again, just as they had done after the '48 war and the '56 war? Then what? Peace in our time?
If you're going to make wild claims about what Ben-Gurion said, you should do yourself a favor and fact-check them first instead of blindly posting the first thing that pops up in your head.
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Bibi Netanyahu should be commended and revered for his love of Israel. . .
To me, he's a modern Hero who walks the walk and keeps his promises.
Amen!
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@Right_in_Virginia
"Never Again"!! Words mean something.
Israel will NEVER allow their citizens to be hunted...rounded up...and murdered ever again!
The Jewish citizens in 1930s Germany were innocent individuals @DCPatriot The State of Israel in the 21st Century is quite different.
57 years of control, occupation, political games extinguishes hope and ignites rebellion. Hell, our tipping point was a tax on tea ----
Bibi Netanyahu should be commended and revered for his love of Israel. For some reason, you can't stand the man. I don't get it. :shrug:
I know his history well, and his goals. I washed my hands of Netanyahu in 2014. Oct 7 proved that was the right decision.
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I'm sorry if I've upset you, David. Hope you sleep well. happy77
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I'm sorry if I've upset you, David. Hope you sleep well. happy77
@Right_in_Virginia
You don't upset me! You're my most favorite person on this entire damned internet! :beer:
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Israel Is Risking Losing This War by Caring What People Who Hate It Think
Kurt Schlichter
Apr 08, 2024Israel is risking losing this war because it is focusing more on avoiding criticism from its enemies than winning. I blame Benjamin Netanyahu in large part, but also our incompetent and loathsome alleged president.
Now, I’m not one of those reflexive Bibi haters, and while I certainly don’t think the United States should have a say in who Israel chooses to lead it, I do believe in accountability. The disaster of October 7 happened on his watch, and he should’ve resigned the day after, but that’s not up to me or up to any American. What is up to me as an American is who our president will be next year, and it can’t be Biden again. But the desiccated old zombie aside, Bibi needs to go. He screwed up on October 7, and now he appears to be screwing up this war.
The problem is not that Netanyahu has been too harsh, as our idiot president claims. It’s that Netanyahu has been too gentle (Yes, I understand a war cabinet is leading Israel, but he is still the face of it.). And too slow. Joe Biden has betrayed every ally America has had, from South Vietnam to Afghanistan and Bibi somehow imagined that creep would not sell-out Israel? Speed was of the essence. Why was Rafah not glass months ago? Netanyahu waited, and that gave Biden the time to sell out Israel.
Restraining was a mistake. ...
Townhall (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2024/04/08/israel-is-risking-losing-this-war-by-caring-what-people-who-hate-it-think-n2637467)
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Israel Is Risking Losing This War by Caring What People Who Hate It Think
Kurt Schlichter
Apr 08, 2024Townhall (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2024/04/08/israel-is-risking-losing-this-war-by-caring-what-people-who-hate-it-think-n2637467)
The essence of what he stated is correct. But I’d caution that this is common fare for all-too-civilized societies these days.
Since WWII, few are willing to all-out destroy and devastate the enemy. The fact that USA has never officially DECLARED a war since then speaks volumes itself. It’s hard for them to admit it and thus, hard to let loose the dogs of war.
All these civilized nations are the ones who have taken it to extreme and will not punish those hpwho deserve it properly. There is so much hand-ringing about “surgical strikes” and “civilian targets”, that we have all hamstrung ourselves.
Better to bomb the hell out of them, sweep them aside, and end it, rather than doing these targeted strikes worrying about hitting “civilians” which may be spdestructive, but still are not much and prolong everything.
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Since WWII, few are willing to all-out destroy and devastate the enemy. All these civilized nations are the ones who have taken it to extreme and will not punish those hpwho deserve it properly.
This Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for 57 years; it is neither WW2 nor an existential threat to Israel.
The problem for civilized nations is that those who deserve to be "properly punished" is an ever-moving target. After Oct 7, the civilized world stood unified that Hamas deserved a major retaliatory ass kicking. Then support peeled away because no one signed on to support civilian targets or ethnic cleansing.
It's pretty obvious, Palestinians are still not going gently into that good night. Could it be time for a Plan B?
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This Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for 57 years
The Israel/Anti-Israel conflict has been going on for centuries. And the current version of that began in 1948, not 1967. The '67 war was the third war, not the first.
it is neither WW2 nor an existential threat to Israel.
Anyone calling for the wholesale destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jews worldwide is an existential threat. By definition. It is the antithesis of 'truth' to claim otherwise.
After Oct 7, the civilized world stood unified that Hamas deserved a major retaliatory ass kicking.
Uh, no. Many people like yourself kept silent, offering no condemnation of Hamas. In fact, two months later you were condemning Israel for building up Hamas.
Then support peeled away because no one signed on to support civilian targets or ethnic cleansing.
The only ones here engaging in ethnic cleansing genocide here are Hamas and their allies. Once again, your statement is the antithesis of 'truth'. If Israel was targeting civilians or engaging in ethnic cleansing, then Rafah would already be a parking lot. But then you knew that already. Yet here you are posting lies. Again.
It's pretty obvious, Palestinians are still not going gently into that good night. Could it be time for a Plan B?
Israel is still on Plan A. But if it doesn't work, I'm open to a Plan B. What do you suggest, @Right_in_Virginia ? What would you do to eradicate the Hamas problem? You have loads of criticism for Israel. But not once have I heard a solution other than outright capitulation.
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This Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for 57 years; it is neither WW2 nor an existential threat to Israel.
OK, that is where we differ. To Israel, this is an existential threat.
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Hamas Charter
Article Seven:
As a result of the fact that those Moslems who adhere to the ways of the Islamic Resistance Movement spread all over the world, rally support for it and its stands, strive towards enhancing its struggle, the Movement is a universal one. It is well-equipped for that because of the clarity of its ideology, the nobility of its aim and the loftiness of its objectives.
On this basis, the Movement should be viewed and evaluated, and its role be recognised. He who denies its right, evades supporting it and turns a blind eye to facts, whether intentionally or unintentionally, would awaken to see that events have overtaken him and with no logic to justify his attitude. One should certainly learn from past examples.
The injustice of next-of-kin is harder to bear than the smite of the Indian sword.
"We have also sent down unto thee the book of the Koran with truth, confirming that scripture which was revealed before it; and preserving the same safe from corruption. Judge therefore between them according to that which Allah hath revealed; and follow not their desires, by swerving from the truth which hath come unto thee. Unto every of you have we given a law, and an open path; and if Allah had pleased, he had surely made you one people; but he hath thought it fit to give you different laws, that he might try you in that which he hath given you respectively. Therefore strive to excel each other in good works; unto Allah shall ye all return, and then will he declare unto you that concerning which ye have disagreed." (The Table, verse 48).
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
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OK, that is where we differ. To Israel, this is an existential threat.
I don't think you prop up Hamas for decades if it truly is a threat to your survival @Cyber Liberty Remember, a strong Hamas kept the dreaded two state solution buried.
Remember also: Israel knew of and ignored the building of the "Hamas Metro" for ten years; the last infusion of cash from Qatar to Hamas with Netanyahu's approval was in Sep 2023; reports of a military buildup and maneuvers in Gaza were dismissed by Israel; two IDF companies were moved away from the Gaza border to the West Bank right before the attack.
Apparently, Hamas was a joke, not a threat ---- especially not an existential one ---- to the Israeli government.
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Report: Biden Calls for Unilateral Ceasefire in Gaza — Before Israeli Hostages Freed
President Joe Biden called Tuesday for Israel to accept a unilateral ceasefire in Gaza for six to eight weeks — before any of the remaining Israeli hostages are set free by Hamas, undermining Israel’s military and diplomatic position.
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/09/report-biden-calls-for-unilateral-ceasefire-in-gaza-before-israeli-hostages-freed/
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President Joe Biden called Tuesday for Israel to accept a unilateral ceasefire in Gaza for six to eight weeks — before any of the remaining Israeli hostages are set free by Hamas, undermining Israel’s military and diplomatic position.
This is even more offensive when you consider that U.S. citizens are among those taken hostage - and he doesn't give a damn.
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I don't think you prop up Hamas for decades if it truly is a threat to your survival @Cyber Liberty Remember, a strong Hamas kept the dreaded two state solution buried.
Remember also: Israel knew of and ignored the building of the "Hamas Metro" for ten years; the last infusion of cash from Qatar to Hamas with Netanyahu's approval was in Sep 2023; reports of a military buildup and maneuvers in Gaza were dismissed by Israel; two IDF companies were moved away from the Gaza border to the West Bank right before the attack.
Apparently, Hamas was a joke, not a threat ---- especially not an existential one ---- to the Israeli government.
All of these lies were debunked the last time you posted them. So why are you posting them again?
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All of these lies were debunked the last time you posted them. So why are you posting them again?
For those interested ----- Nothing posted has been debunked. In fact, the documentation for the reports has grown.
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This is even more offensive when you consider that U.S. citizens are among those taken hostage - and he doesn't give a damn.
Exactly and Bibi needs to do what is best for Israel and not what some evil twisted demented excuse for a human being wants him to do.
Israel will remain standing.
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For those interested ----- Nothing posted has been debunked. In fact, the documentation for the reports has grown.
Do you have a link to that documentation??
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Of course not @libertybele But, Israel should extricate itself from what the world is viewing as a killing spree. Israel should finish this with its neighbors by developing a "day after" plan --- while Israel still enjoys a whit of good will.
The reality is: Israel is not going to kill off Hamas--- all Israel is doing now is spawning them in every nation encircling their own.
And, Israel cannot erase the shocking humiliation of Oct 7. Their strength must now be rebuilt on alliances not based on Israel fighting or threatening war, --- but on peacetime associations yielding shared benefits.
Hopefully, the State of Israel will begin to move beyond the Holocaust as its raison d'être.
Killing spree? What about the killing spree and rampage that Hamas inflicted upon Israel? They drew blood first (and that is putting things very mildly).
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Killing spree? What about the killing spree and rampage that Hamas inflicted upon Israel? They drew blood first (and that is putting things very mildly).
I know you don't want to hear this, that it's unbearable for you (and for many others) --- but after 57 years of playing whack a war, "who drew the first blood" is no longer a clear-cut certitude. There's too much history between the players.
@libertybele
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Do you have a link to that documentation??
You know I do and have already posted them.
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I know you don't want to hear this, that it's unbearable for you (and for many others) --- but after 57 years of playing whack a war, "who drew the first blood" is no longer a certitude.
It's time to end this --- both sides.
@libertybele
So you say, and yes, ultimately things will eventually come to an end -- when and how is up to Israel as it is they who WILL remain standing.
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You know I do and have already posted them.
Right. Somehow, I missed those posts. :shrug:
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All of these lies were debunked the last time you posted them. So why are you posting them again?
I wasn't aware Israel has been "propping up" Hamas, I thought that was the UN doing that. And the US, BTW.
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I know you don't want to hear this, that it's unbearable for you (and for many others) --- but after 57 years of playing whack a war, "who drew the first blood" is no longer a clear-cut certitude. There's too much history between the players.
@libertybele
I could have sworn there was a cease fire in effect on October 6th?
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I wasn't aware Israel has been "propping up" Hamas, I thought that was the UN doing that. And the US, BTW.
Starting with these links may be helpful @Cyber Liberty .......
Times of Israel, Oct 8, 2023
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
NY Timex, Dec 10, 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=The%20Israeli%20government%20still%20welcomed,focused%20on%20governing%2C%20not%20fighting.
Jerusalem Post, Mar 10, 2019
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082
France24, Nov 11, 2018
https://www.france24.com/en/20181111-netanyahu-defends-qatari-cash-infusion-gaza-0
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For those interested ----- Nothing posted has been debunked. In fact, the documentation for the reports has grown.
By "documentation", she means a single NY Times hit piece.
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Starting with these links may be helpful @Cyber Liberty .......
Times of Israel, Oct 8, 2023
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
NY Timex, Dec 10, 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=The%20Israeli%20government%20still%20welcomed,focused%20on%20governing%2C%20not%20fighting.
Jerusalem Post, Mar 10, 2019
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082
France24, Nov 11, 2018
https://www.france24.com/en/20181111-netanyahu-defends-qatari-cash-infusion-gaza-0
Interesting. I'll look.
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I don't think you prop up Hamas for decades if it truly is a threat to your survival
@Right_in_Virginia
"Prop up Hamas"? Seriously? You say that as if Netanyahu used his nation's resources to build up a terrorist entity built on the destruction of Israel. Yet you know this not to be the case. The last time you posted this lie, it was shown to you that the money involved was earmarked for "Palestine", and it came from other entities outside of Israel (including the Trump Administration). You were also asked point blank whether instead of letting that money go to Gaza, that it should have been diverted to the West Bank instead. Your reply? - "No". So not only are you a poster of lies here on this forum, you are also a first-class hypocrite.
Remember, a strong Hamas kept the dreaded two state solution buried.
Uh, no. It is the Palestinians' outright rejection of a two-state solution that buries a two-state solution. The only ones keeping it alive are Democrats and other Israel-haters such as yourself.
Remember also: Israel knew of and ignored the building of the "Hamas Metro" for ten years
Here is you posting the same lie on Dec 27, 2023: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520552.msg2954044.html#msg2954044
And here is that lie being refuted: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520552.msg2955077.html#msg2955077
Yet here you are again, posting the same lie again. You do so with full knowledge that what you are posting isn't true. But you do so with the expressed purpose of deceiving others here. There is a word for people who do that.