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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on October 16, 2019, 01:54:28 pm
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AWR Hawkins 15 Oct 2019
During the October 15, Democrat debate Robert “Beto†O’Rourke made clear that AR-15 owners who refuse to hand over their guns will have them taken away.
O’Rourke reiterated his plan to use a government-mandated buyback to confiscate privately-owned AR-15s and AK-47s. In so doing, he claimed that each AR-15 and AK-47 in private hands is a “potential instrument of terror.â€
CNN’s Anderson Cooper then asked O’Rourke how he plans to get people to hand over their rifles.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/beto-orourke-you-dont-hand-your-ar-15-well-take-it/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/beto-orourke-you-dont-hand-your-ar-15-well-take-it/)
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So he wants to violate a clearly defined right enshrined in the Constitution in order to enforce an unconstitutional law that violates people rights?
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So he wants to violate a clearly defined right enshrined in the Constitution in order to enforce an unconstitutional law that violates people rights?
:pondering:
At least he now readily admits he intends to be a coward about it, and order other people to ignore their own oaths to the Constitution and be the ones knocking on doors. We always knew they'd use Police to do the dangerous work of disarming people.
They'll get away with confiscation for a short while (probably in the cities), until people realize what's happening and start laying in wait for the Oath-Breakers to show up to be shot.
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At least he now readily admits he intends to be a coward about it, and order other people to ignore their own oaths to the Constitution and be the ones knocking on doors. We always knew they'd use Police to do the dangerous work of disarming people.
They'll get away with confiscation for a short while (probably in the cities), until people realize what's happening and start laying in wait for the Oath-Breakers to show up to be shot.
I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.
Same for the military.
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I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.
Same for the military.
It would be suicide all up in here.... Guaranteed.
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It would be suicide all up in here.... Guaranteed.
I can only talk from the military side with any real condfidence...but we take an oath to support and defend the Constitution...if someone orders us to violate the Constitution...we're violating our oath...therefore it's an unlawful order and we can legally refuse it.
I imagine that it would be something similiar with the LEO's.
As @Cyber Liberty said...you'll only find this really being carried out in the big cities where the Dems run everything to begin with.
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I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.
Same for the military.
Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.
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Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.
Those will be the first ones to get shot. The rest who are willing to break their oaths to the Constitution will quickly see the error of their ways, if they want to get home safely every night.
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I imagine that it would be something similiar with the LEO's.
If LEOs take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, there are a heck of a lot of them who are oathbreakers already in view of the way LEOs tend to routinely trample on the 4th Amendment, and often on the 1st, with legally specious attempts to suppress citizen-journalism recording their public acts.
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Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.
Your big deep blue cities in any state will have law enforcement agencies that will gladly carry out the confiscation order. In my state Kentucky you could count on for sure Lexington, Louisville and probably Frankfurt (small city 28K but it's the capitol).
But you get out into Elizabethtown, Covington, Hopkinsville, Shepardsville bardstown etc the situation will be completely different.
@Polly Ticks am I right?
And what gun grabers like Beto don't realize is the Governor of a state could tell his state police to not comply with the order as well.
@skeeter I hope my friend that you're on the wrong end of this one for the right reasons.
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If LEOs take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, there are a heck of a lot of them who are oathbreakers already in view of the way LEOs tend to routinely trample on the 4th Amendment, and often on the 1st, with legally specious attempts to suppress citizen-journalism recording their public acts.
I was thinking more along the lines of taking an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a particular state and/or county or city. Most state Constitutions also have 2nd Amendment provisions in them as well.
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Your big deep blue cities in any state will have law enforcement agencies that will gladly carry out the confiscation order. In my state Kentucky you could count on for sure Lexington, Louisville and probably Frankfurt (small city 28K but it's the capitol).
But you get out into Elizabethtown, Covington, Hopkinsville, Shepardsville bardstown etc the situation will be completely different.
@pollyticks am I right?
And what gun grabers like Beto don't realize is the Governor of a state could tell his state police to not comply with the order as well.
@skeeter I hope my friend that you're on the wrong end of this one for the right reasons.
If Beto's wish comes true I'll wish I lived in your neck of the woods because where I live I'll pay a heavy price for my beliefs.
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If Beto's wish comes true I'll wish I lived in your neck of the woods because where I live I'll pay a heavy price for my beliefs.
Well there's lots of places in Kentucky back in the woods and up in the hills where they can't find you if you decide to go iff the grid.
IIRC you're in California...Idaho might be closer for you though.
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I was thinking more along the lines of taking an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a particular state and/or county or city. Most state Constitutions also have 2nd Amendment provisions in them as well.
Section 26 of the AZ State Constitution (emphasis mine):
Section 26. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.
https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/const/2/26.htm (https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/const/2/26.htm)
(Note the complete lack of any "Predicate Clause.")
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Beatoff believes we must destroy that village to save it.
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IIRC you're in California...Idaho might be closer for you though.
@skeeter
Yeah, Utah even... or AZ if you can take the heat... But I reckon if you can get up in the Sierras, them good ol boys ain't gonna pay no mind to Sacramento... I punched cows with a bunch of them cowboys, and they ain't no different than right up here.
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Might have to go get me one of them ARs just so I can be pissed off about this. :shrug: :whistle:
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I want to see some reporter ask these anti-gun politicians on live camera if this means they will also insist the military style weapons,like Uzi's that are carried by the bodyguards of prominent politicians and other wealthy people will also be confiscated.
In not,why not?
Enquiring minds,and all dat.
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Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.
@skeeter
Me,too. Especially when you consider how many foreigners have enlisted the last couple of decades so they could obtain citizenship. I doubt most of them have even heard of the Bill of Rights,or would care if they have.
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I was thinking more along the lines of taking an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a particular state and/or county or city. Most state Constitutions also have 2nd Amendment provisions in them as well.
@txradioguy
Sadly,these days "LEO" is just the name of a street gang MUCH better armed and equipped than the other street gangs,and one that has judges and city/county attorneys representing them in court.
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Might have to go get me one of them ARs just so I can be pissed off about this. :shrug: :whistle:
@roamer_1
They are pretty useless where you live. Get a M1 Garand or a M1A instead.
Or mo betta,a FN-FAL.
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@roamer_1
They are pretty useless where you live. Get a M1 Garand or a M1A instead.
Or mo betta,a FN-FAL.
I am all decked out @sneakypete I am partial to Rem 700... most of my high powered stuff is on that platform, with a couple Marlins and a Savage throwed in. But really, I don't use scoped rifles all that much. Elk, bighorn, mtn goat, antelope, sure.... But mostly I am banging around in the brush sooo.... Lever action carbine or shotgun is what I really do most the time, with a hard lean toward the carbine... Low and slow with a lot of lead... that's what punches through brush. Deer and bear, usually under 100 yards where a scope would give me nothing but hair anyway, and a high speed round will likely deflect if there's brush.
Only thing I would be using that AR for up here is coyotes. but it would be dang fine for that.
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Who’s the “we†Francis? You and your 1% army?
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Beto is exactly what Conservatives need.
His continued trumpeting like this on the Democrat debate stage cannot be swept under the rug by the Dems or media.
Ordinary people will realize this constitutes both the outspoken and hidden beliefs of Dems.
Beto needs to remain on the stage and be very visible.
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Beto is exactly what Conservatives need.
His continued trumpeting like this on the Democrat debate stage cannot be swept under the rug by the Dems or media.
Ordinary people will realize this constitutes both the outspoken and hidden beliefs of Dems.
Beto needs to remain on the stage and be very visible.
Actually, he probably won't matter... Unless he's the candidate, which he won't be. By the first of the year, he'll be down the memory hole.
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Beto is exactly what Conservatives need.
His continued trumpeting like this on the Democrat debate stage cannot be swept under the rug by the Dems or media.
Ordinary people will realize this constitutes both the outspoken and hidden beliefs of Dems.
Beto needs to remain on the stage and be very visible.
Bingo. If I recall a decade ago the Dems were actively trying to stifle their members on this issue, knowing it was an automatic electoral loser.
And that makes sense, because there's no one who's more motivated to vote than someone convinced his or her rights are going to be taken away. Just as the abortion issue is a loser for conservatives, so is the gun issue a loser for liberals.
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Actually, he probably won't matter... Unless he's the candidate, which he won't be. By the first of the year, he'll be down the memory hole.
No, but he can still be presented as representing the "true" position of the radicalized Dem party. Exploit this to the hilt to motivate the conservative base to the polls.
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No, but he can still be presented as representing the "true" position of the radicalized Dem party. Exploit this to the hilt to motivate the conservative base to the polls.
Right. I get it. But whoever the candidate is, they will move right to appear moderate. And all of the firebrand stuff will disappear. Pointing at the loser isn't going to do much.
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Listened to Limbaugh for a few minutes in the car and he was talking about this. Basically he called Beto a 'freak' and an 'idiot'. I think that sums things up about him quite accurately.
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@skeeter
Yeah, Utah even... or AZ if you can take the heat... But I reckon if you can get up in the Sierras, them good ol boys ain't gonna pay no mind to Sacramento... I punched cows with a bunch of them cowboys, and they ain't no different than right up here.
This'd be more practical than Idaho. I even know a few of em up in Gold Country.
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Beto is exactly what Conservatives need.
His continued trumpeting like this on the Democrat debate stage cannot be swept under the rug by the Dems or media.
Ordinary people will realize this constitutes both the outspoken and hidden beliefs of Dems.
Beto needs to remain on the stage and be very visible.
That's the truth! There is no doubt in my mind that the Dems want to put their hands over his mouth and say "Shush up, puppy, we don't say those things right now". Truthfully, they want to say this to Bernie as well but he has too many supporters.
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"Basically he [Rush Limbaugh] called Beto a 'freak' and an 'idiot'. I think that sums things up about him quite accurately.
well, that could go towards describing many Democrats (if not most) and the numerous RINOs.
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What's funny to me about the quest to ban the AR-15 is that Libs recoil in horror at the sight of a "high power" 5.56/.223 round...but think nothing and say nothing about more powerful rounds out there like the .30-30 or the .30-06 or a 7.62/.308.
The least "high power" round you could find aside from some of the rimfire round makes them piss their pants...but the other .30 caliber rounds they are like..."meh".
Just goes to show how little these Progressive facists know about weapons.
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I wonder when/if the Dems and MSM will figure out that these "townhalls" and Free Shit Auctions are giving Trump lots of campaign ad material.
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And thats a good thing.
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[quote author=txradioguy link=topic=379428.msg2076587#msg2076587 date=1571263298}
Just goes to show how little these Progressive fascists know about weapons.
And thats a good thing.
Indeed it is
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"What Good Can A Handgun Do Against an Army?"
http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-handgun-against-army-ten.html (http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-handgun-against-army-ten.html)
A friend of mine forwarded me a question a friend of his had posed:
"If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against an army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I'm not being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in Germany, or similar, could happen here; I'm just not sure that the potential good from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-day problems caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)"
If I may, I'd like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one to which I have given much research and considerable thought. I believe that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives.
My friend Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership told me once:
"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied - MBV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."
Note well that phrase: "and the will to use it," for the simply-stated question, "What good can a handgun do against an army?", is in fact a complex one and must be answered at length and carefully.
It is a military question.
It is also a political question.
But above all it is a moral question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and what makes them slaves.
First, let's answer the military question.
Most military questions have both a strategic and a tactical component.
Let's first consider the tactical.
More at link.
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https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policereports/article/Stolen-pistol-leads-to-reckless-endangerment-14486880.php (https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policereports/article/Stolen-pistol-leads-to-reckless-endangerment-14486880.php)
From Connecticut:
STAMFORD — After reporting that his gun had been stolen out of his open car on Monday night, a city man was arrested on a reckless endangerment charge.
Sgt. Jennifer Pinto said police were called to Reynolds Avenue at about 8:30 a.m. Tuesday on a report of a car burglary that involved a stolen gun. The owner of the car, Christopher Jerome, 26, parked his car at about 8:20 p.m. Monday and, thinking that he was going to get back into the car a short time later, did not lock the doors.
When he got up the next morning, Jerome saw that his driver’s side door was open and his gun had been taken out of the unlocked glove box, Pinto said. Jerome presented his pistol permit to officers and told them that he had more firearms in his home.
Because of the circumstances of the theft, police went into the home and took the guns, a semiautomatic Glock pistol, another handgun and a semi-automatic AR-15.
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Fishrrman speaking:
I had a post I put into this forum earlier removed in its entirety without at trace. Just too explicit for the topic, I guess.
But if you think that the democrat-communists -- once they have the full power of government behind them again -- aren't going to try to do just what the dirt-eater O'Rourke is shouting about, well... you'd better think again.
Sooner or later, it's comin' down the road, right at you.
As was in my earlier post, the byline:
"What will you do when they come to take your guns?"
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What's funny to me about the quest to ban the AR-15 is that Libs recoil in horror at the sight of a "high power" 5.56/.223 round...but think nothing and say nothing about more powerful rounds out there like the .30-30 or the .30-06 or a 7.62/.308.
The least "high power" round you could find aside from some of the rimfire round makes them piss their pants...but the other .30 caliber rounds they are like..."meh".
Just goes to show how little these Progressive facists know about weapons.
@txradioguy
They know they don't like them and are afraid of them. They also know the reason why they don't like and are afraid of them is the only people who DO like them are redneck retard alcoholics with single digit IQ's who dream of murdering their whole family. They know this because it is what they have been programmed to believe.
Kinda makes you wonder who the real retards are,doesn't it?
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@txradioguy
They know they don't like them and are afraid of them. They also know the reason why they don't like and are afraid of them is the only people who DO like them are redneck retard alcoholics with single digit IQ's who dream of murdering their whole family. They know this because it is what they have been programmed to believe.
Kinda makes you wonder who the real retards are,doesn't it?
@sneakypete thankfully on this issue the retards make themselves known pretty quickly so there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind who they are.
I’ve wracked my brain trying to figure out what exactly in the Libs mind makes a 5.56 “high power†and the only thing I can come up with is the fact that the max point target...max area target and max overall ranges are what they are.
In a Libs mind a bullet traveling that far HAS to be “high powerâ€.
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@sneakypete thankfully on this issue the retards make themselves known pretty quickly so there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind who they are.
I’ve wracked my brain trying to figure out what exactly in the Libs mind makes a 5.56 “high power†and the only thing I can come up with is the fact that the max point target...max area target and max overall ranges are what they are.
In a Libs mind a bullet traveling that far HAS to be “high powerâ€.
@txradioguy
Just imagine the vapors they would get if they got hold of an older box of 22 rimfires,and read the message that it will shoot for a mile. After all,if a 22 rimfire will shoot for a mile,how far will one of those high-powered .223's shoot,never mind a 30/06?
I have always wondered how they managed to find and visit a planet with no gravity back in the 50's.
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I've personally never owned an AR-type weapon but Robert Francis makes me want to go buy one.
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I've personally never owned an AR-type weapon but Robert Francis makes me want to go buy one.
@Bigun
LOL! I have "possessed" a bunch of them,starting with an actual selective-fire AR15 in 1964 after arriving at Bragg and going to SF,and ending with selective-fire CAR-15's in VN,but never had any desire to own one until every leftist in the US started screaming to have them banned. I figured I just HAD to have something that powerful before they were banned,so I now have one. Makes a pretty handy house or car rifle if it is the CAR version. I think I may have even fired it 10 years or so ago.
NOBODY has been better gun salesmen than the gun-grabbers,NOBODY!
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What's funny to me about the quest to ban the AR-15 is that Libs recoil in horror at the sight of a "high power" 5.56/.223 round...but think nothing and say nothing about more powerful rounds out there like the .30-30 or the .30-06 or a 7.62/.308.
The least "high power" round you could find aside from some of the rimfire round makes them piss their pants...but the other .30 caliber rounds they are like..."meh".
Just goes to show how little these Progressive facists know about weapons.
They know nothing and yet they think they can pontificate about guns and take our private property. They know the names AR-15 and AK 47 and they think that is sufficient.
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I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.
Same for the military.
I live in the sticks, and literally every single cop I have met has at least 1 AR-15 and or an AK-47. Pretty sure they will not be giving them up.
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I've personally never owned an AR-type weapon but Robert Francis makes me want to go buy one.
You should consider making your own. Its kinda fun.
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@Bigun
LOL! I have "possessed" a bunch of them,starting with an actual selective-fire AR15 in 1964 after arriving at Bragg and going to SF,and ending with selective-fire CAR-15's in VN,but never had any desire to own one until every leftist in the US started screaming to have them banned. I figured I just HAD to have something that powerful before they were banned,so I now have one. Makes a pretty handy house or car rifle if it is the CAR version. I think I may have even fired it 10 years or so ago.
NOBODY has been better gun salesmen than the gun-grabbers,NOBODY!
When I say that I have never personally possessed one I meant personally owned one @sneakypete . I have been issued many of the government-owned variety.
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I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.
Same for the military.
@txradioguy
I am going to be shocked if they DON'T refuse to confiscate weapons. I know and am semi-friendly with a BUNCH of them,and if there has ever been such a thing as "wear red and march in a straight line",it is the modern cops. Used to be the typical cop was a veteran that needed a job,and when a job as a cop was offered,took it. They were there to earn a living and protect their friends and neighbors,NOT to be the "caped crusaders" of today who are more like "South Park" "You WILL respect my Authoratay!" flesh and blood versions of Eric Cartman. Law Enforcement is more of a religion to them than it is a job. I honestly think most would work as cops for free if they had to and had enough money they could afford to do it.
I have no doubt most of them would be able to convince themselves to overlook weapons possession by certain people they know personally and trust,but if one you don't know and are friendly with comes knocking on your door to look for weapons,he is not going to "accidentally miss" a few while he is there.
I once had a local deputy come knocking on my door around midnight maybe 20 years ago. At that time he was one of only two deputies on patrol at night in a pretty big county,and was responding to a big party and a bonfire in a farmer's field. He was to go there,make them put out the fire,and leave,and if necessary,arrest anyone who resisted/threatened him.
He asked me would I mind grabbing my 45 and coming with him in case of emergency. He told me to stay in the car and say and do nothing unless he was attacked.
I can't imagine any of the deputies here today doing such a thing even if they needed help. They would just call for help and have someone get out of bed or maybe a deputy from another county come help them.
We also have a new sheriff,and I can't imagine this sheriff going out of his way to tell me he would sign off on my buying a machine gun if I wanted one,like the last two sheriffs. No,I DON'T want one or I would have already gotten it,but it's the thought that counts.
True story. I MIGHT be the one most responsible for our sheriff at the time signing on to legal CCW permits. When the state was considering it they did a survey of the local sheriffs to get their opinions,and I heard ours was against it,so I went to his office to see him and talk with him about it. He and I had know each other for years,so him agreeing to see me was no big deal. I asked him about his position and why he thought that way,and after he told me about the "danger of " civilians" (he had never served even a single day in the military) carrying concealed weapons,I told him he was full of crap (NOT the word I used) and told him "I have been carrying a gun on me damn near every day of my life,and you know it and have never been scared of me with a gun before,so why would you be scared of me walking around with a permit to carry a concealed gun? Hell,I have one in my pocket now. Want to see it?"
He thought about it for a minute or so,and actually told me I had changed his mind and he would sign up for the program.
He got even,though. The day before the state started issued CCW permits he called me on the phone and told me I had damned sure better be standing in his office the next morning at 9 AM and applying for a permit,because he was going to personally fingerprint me and send it off to the state. He also told his secretary,who became sheriff after he retired,to just go ahead and sign his name to any weapons permit I wanted,including machine guns,without bothering him about it. She laughed and said ok,and when she became sheriff a few years later,asked me if I wanted a machine gun permit.
I don't see the new sheriff thinking this way. I have even heard him say "My prime concern is that my officers go home safe every night.",when it SHOULD be his main concern is for the safety of the citizens whose taxes pay his salary. He has even got a few of the "free" armored cars coming back from the Muddle East,has a SWAT squad DESPITE there never ONCE being any history of a barricaded suspect,and has a designated sniper team he sent off somewhere at public expense to attend a sniper school. HOO RAH!,although "HOO HAH!" might be more appropriate.
I'd like to be wrong. I even hope I am wrong,but I don't think so.
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You should consider making your own. Its kinda fun.
QFT, relatively easy, and you get exactly what you want. There are a number of companies that sell components and it is easy to mix and match. Palmetto State Armory https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AH0iEO4XL7ZqXad-vwHJCCaqD_Q?.src=fp
And MidwayUSA https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AByUrmVezRuXXacP_QOV-Kt6dgI?.src=fp have some great sles from time to time. Both have great customer service as well.
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You should consider making your own. Its kinda fun.
QFT, relatively easy, and you get exactly what you want. There are a number of companies that sell components and it is easy to mix and match. Palmetto State Armory
@verga
Why? I don't want one,and don't even like the damn things. Firing full-auto has always seemed to me like an excellent way to run out of ammo right when you need it the most. I rarely fired full-auto in VN unless it was an ambush situation,or it was trying to break contact to escape.
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You should consider making your own. Its kinda fun.
Thanks @skeeter.
My son has built several so I may get him to help me do just that.
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QFT, relatively easy, and you get exactly what you want. There are a number of companies that sell components and it is easy to mix and match. Palmetto State Armory https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AH0iEO4XL7ZqXad-vwHJCCaqD_Q?.src=fp (https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AH0iEO4XL7ZqXad-vwHJCCaqD_Q?.src=fp)
And MidwayUSA https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AByUrmVezRuXXacP_QOV-Kt6dgI?.src=fp (https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AByUrmVezRuXXacP_QOV-Kt6dgI?.src=fp) have some great sles from time to time. Both have great customer service as well.
I've been using Primary Arms and they are just a short drive from the house.
https://www.primaryarms.com/ (https://www.primaryarms.com/)
And if you get the urge to build a Wildcat then Mad Dog Weapons System has quite a selection to choose from.
https://www.maddogweapons.com/ (https://www.maddogweapons.com/)
(https://www.maddogweapons.com/uploads/6/6/8/0/6680565/mdws-cat-lineup-12-15-18_orig.jpg)
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"What Good Can A Handgun Do Against an Army?"
http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-handgun-against-army-ten.html (http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-handgun-against-army-ten.html)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Pistol_FP-45_02.jpg)
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@verga
Why? I don't want one,and don't even like the damn things. Firing full-auto has always seemed to me like an excellent way to run out of ammo right when you need it the most. I rarely fired full-auto in VN unless it was an ambush situation,or it was trying to break contact to escape.
I was actually replying to @skeeter reply to @Bigun.
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@txradioguy
Just imagine the vapors they would get if they got hold of an older box of 22 rimfires,and read the message that it will shoot for a mile. After all,if a 22 rimfire will shoot for a mile,how far will one of those high-powered .223's shoot,never mind a 30/06?
@sneakypete
It will be incremental I guess. Like with everything else with Liberals once they get rid of something...they'll make the next bullet/gun/magazine in line the target to villify and condem as a "killing machine". They'll ban the AR platform then someone will point out that the Ruger Mini 14 shoots the same "high power" bullet. And so on and so on.
I'm probably gonna stay off their radar for as long as possible by going old school and getting a Cowboy Assault Rifle.
I have always wondered how they managed to find and visit a planet with no gravity back in the 50's.
Thankfully for the rest of us that stuff was discovered before the cancer of Progressiveism and Liberalism had fully taken hold.
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QFT, relatively easy, and you get exactly what you want. There are a number of companies that sell components and it is easy to mix and match. Palmetto State Armory https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AH0iEO4XL7ZqXad-vwHJCCaqD_Q?.src=fp
And MidwayUSA https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AByUrmVezRuXXacP_QOV-Kt6dgI?.src=fp have some great sles from time to time. Both have great customer service as well.
Agree. There're many different variations of each component so its possible to get exactly what suits you. An adult tinker toy.
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Excellent post; ah ... the 'will' to use a handgun. That is exactly what I had to overcome in deciding to get my concealed; did I have the courage to use a weapon against my fellow man in order to defend myself? I struggled with that question and then the OJ trial was televised. It was then that I realized that absolutely I could; that scenario became entrenched in my head. I took a concealed course that spanned over 3 weeks, and the instructor walked us through various different scenarios to visualize to make sure we had the right mindset. We also had to show proficiency with our weapon in order to pass. Much to my amazement and the instructor's I scored a perfect 10 out of 10. I have never ever regretted my decision.
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@roamer_1
They are pretty useless where you live. Get a M1 Garand or a M1A instead.
Or mo betta,a FN-FAL.
Just get an AR-10. (M1A and FN-FAL are good choices, too.)
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Just get an AR-10. (M1A and FN-FAL are good choices, too.)
You can get AR-15 in a lot of different calibers.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/build-an-ar-15-ar-calibers/ (https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/build-an-ar-15-ar-calibers/)
Mine is done in 7.62x39mm.
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I heard yesterday from my County Supervisor friend the Board of Supervisors is considering making ours a "Second Amendment Sanctuary." The idea is, if the National or State governments decide to pass laws that violate the 2nd Amendment, those laws will not be enforced upon the County citizens, and outside agents attempting to do so will be ejected from the Jurisdiction.
If passed by the Supervisors, we'll be the first County in the nation to do so.
They will address it at the next Board meeting on November 4th. I plan on being there.
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...If passed by the Supervisors, we'll be the first County in the nation to do so....
TEXAS BORDER COUNTY PASSES GOA-BACKED SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY RESOLUTION
https://gunowners.org/texas-boarder-county-passes-goa-backed-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/ (https://gunowners.org/texas-boarder-county-passes-goa-backed-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/)
11 July 2019
Hood County calls itself a 'Second Amendment sanctuary county'
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hood-county-calls-itself-second-amendment-sanctuary-county/287-84ddc19e-dab2-4e1c-8d97-ae1f80faba41 (https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hood-county-calls-itself-second-amendment-sanctuary-county/287-84ddc19e-dab2-4e1c-8d97-ae1f80faba41)
October 8, 2019
Second Amendment 'sanctuary county' movement expands as organizers take aim at new gun laws
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-second-amendment-sanctuary-county-movement-illinois-20190416-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-second-amendment-sanctuary-county-movement-illinois-20190416-story.html)
APR 17, 2019
...the “Second Amendment sanctuary county†movement, which began in Effingham and now includes 64 of the state’s 102 counties, counties in three other states, and nine more states in which counties are eyeing similar nonbinding measures.....
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TEXAS BORDER COUNTY PASSES GOA-BACKED SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY RESOLUTION
https://gunowners.org/texas-boarder-county-passes-goa-backed-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/ (https://gunowners.org/texas-boarder-county-passes-goa-backed-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/)
11 July 2019
Hood County calls itself a 'Second Amendment sanctuary county'
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hood-county-calls-itself-second-amendment-sanctuary-county/287-84ddc19e-dab2-4e1c-8d97-ae1f80faba41 (https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hood-county-calls-itself-second-amendment-sanctuary-county/287-84ddc19e-dab2-4e1c-8d97-ae1f80faba41)
October 8, 2019
Second Amendment 'sanctuary county' movement expands as organizers take aim at new gun laws
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-second-amendment-sanctuary-county-movement-illinois-20190416-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-second-amendment-sanctuary-county-movement-illinois-20190416-story.html)
APR 17, 2019
...the “Second Amendment sanctuary county†movement, which began in Effingham and now includes 64 of the state’s 102 counties, counties in three other states, and nine more states in which counties are eyeing similar nonbinding measures.....
News to me...Safety in numbers. I should look these up and take what I find to the Meeting, so we can see whats been done in the past.
The Devil's in the details. "Non-binding" means not worth the paper it's written on, that I know.
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Politicians always think of something that others ought to do.
Confiscating guns is such a thing.
I think the confiscating would be smoother if the politician
promoting such a plan showed the way. You know personal
involvement in the plan. To show just how sincere they
were about confiscating. Or if the buyback term is more
soothing then a buyback with personal involvement. No
large display of force but just two people peering into
each other's eyes at a distance of two feet.
Show the way and go door to door and collect the guns
and pay with a personal check or cash say the first
1,000 such firearms.
It would give the politician and the citizen that up close
personal feeling so necessary in eliminating the 2nd
ammendment.
It is always a valuable service in eliminating the least
serviceable members of our population. We could call it
Beto day and erect appropriate statues in remembrance.
:)
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Beto is just an idiot. Actual confiscation wouldn't require going door to door. You'd simply sweep bank accounts, arrest people at work, etc.. Most people who aren't willing to turn over their guns just because the government demands it might change their minds if they didn't have money to feed their kids, etc.. That's just reality.
That's how he should be answering these questions if he's going to support such a stupid and unconstitutional policy at all. Instead, he makes the ridiculous "door to door" argument, which even the feebleminded can see would result in violence.
He's just not a very bright guy.
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@verga
Why? I don't want one,and don't even like the damn things. Firing full-auto has always seemed to me like an excellent way to run out of ammo right when you need it the most. I rarely fired full-auto in VN unless it was an ambush situation,or it was trying to break contact to escape.
Exactly. Pray and spray looks great on TV until you remember that someone has to tote all that ammo.
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Exactly. Pray and spray looks great on TV until you remember that someone has to tote all that ammo.
@Maj. Bill Martin
IIRC,my basic load of 5.56mm rifle ammunition in VN was 37 magazines,and a couple of times I was worried about running out before the helicopters could pull us out.
And that ain't counting stuff like grenades or pistol ammo.
At times teams under heavy fire that couldn't be pulled because the helicopters trying to pull them were getting shot out of the sky,a Huey slick would fly over the surrounded team and the door gunners would throw out sandbags full of loaded magazines and M-79 ammo.
You don't have to hear how astoundingly loud the "click" is when a hammer falls on an empty chamber while in a firefight but once to lose any love you may have had for full-auto fire.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
IIRC,my basic load of 5.56mm rifle ammunition in VN was 37 magazines,and a couple of times I was worried about running out before the helicopters could pull us out.
And that ain't counting stuff like grenades or pistol ammo.
At times teams under heavy fire that couldn't be pulled because the helicopters trying to pull them were getting shot out of the sky,a Huey slick would fly over the surrounded team and the door gunners would throw out sandbags full of loaded magazines and M-79 ammo.
You don't have to hear how astoundingly loud the "click" is when a hammer falls on an empty chamber while in a firefight but once to lose any love you may have had for full-auto fire.
And not every other unit is going to have that same level of logistical support, either, which would make it that much worse.
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And not every other unit is going to have that same level of logistical support, either, which would make it that much worse.
@Maj. Bill Martin
That is VERY true,and it MUST be pointed out that back then SF didn't have our own aviation outfits. These were pilots and crews from units like the 4th Infantry Division giving up airlift support and cover,and besides the helicopter gun ships,it was USAF and USN pilots in fighter-bombers giving us close air support. It's a crying damn shame these people never got the credit they deserved. WE were all volunteers going into Laos,Cambodia,and North Vietnam of our own free will,and we could even quit anytime we wanted by just saying "I quit".
THEY didn't have the luxury of being able to volunteer,never mind the luxury of saying "Nope,not going to do it again." Yet they still jumped into their helicopters and flew to our rescue,knowing they were going to get shot at a LOT trying to extract us,and that if they got shot down,the only hope they had of rescue was the very 6 man recon team they had been trying to extract. On one of their normal missions,they would have had virtually unlimited access to aircraft and crews to try to rescue them if they were shot down.
I hope that one day these men get the recognition they deserve.