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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on June 28, 2017, 01:02:36 pm
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Exactly. Nothing less than full repeal is acceptable!
Sen. Rand Paul on Obamacare: 'We gotta really repeal it'
After meeting with President Trump Tuesday afternoon, Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., gave an interview with Fox News host Neil Cavuto in which he said that the president is open-minded about improvements to make the Senate version of the Obamacare bill more of a repeal.
“I think we had a good discussion, and I told the president I’m open to supporting it, but it has to get better and it has to be more of a repeal bill,” Paul said. “We keep too many of the regulations, we keep too many of the subsidies, and we create a new federal fund to subsidize insurance companies. So we’ve got to look at all of that and we have to ask the people who elected us on repealing Obamacare if this bill is really repeal......
.....“We have to get something that really works because – what I did tell him is ‘Look, I’ve been a doctor for twenty-some odd years, and I saw health care before Obamacare not working very well. I saw Obamacare come on and make it work even less well. I think there is some fundamental aspects to health care we have to try to fix and if we don’t fix them but we gain ownership of it, I think there is a big price to pay …’”
Paul, one of four GOP Senators opposing the Better Care Reconciliation Act on grounds that it does not go far enough to repeal Obamacare, told Cavuto that GOP leadership has not given conservatives feedback on their concerns.
“We haven’t had any feedback from leadership on their being open to changing any parts of the bill. In order for there to be negotiation, there has to be dialogue.”
Sen. Paul said he “formalized” their recommendations for the bill in writing this afternoon and will send them to Senate leadership and the president.
“I think this thing still could be done, but we have to keep our promise to the Republican voters as well as all voters that we were going to repeal the disaster that is Obamacare..........
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/sen-rand-paul-on-obamacare-we-gotta-really-repeal-it
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Get ready for the onslaught from Salem Radio...Hugh was really going after Dean Heller this morning. Interesting how he said nothing about Rand, Ted, or the others voicing opposition to the bill.
Salem has gone "full Trump" 24/7.
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Actually, Hugh Hewitt did have a caller from Kentucky going after Paul.
But Hewitt loyally walks the GOP line; I wouldn't call it going full Trump support. I'd call it going full Republican in this case, Hewitt at one point, urged Trump to drop out when that recording came out, saying more would probably come out.
Medved won't though he's conciliatory towards healthcare reform and always ends up saying something like "well, it's better than what we have now". Prager often treats popular culture but he, some time ago, started supporting Trump.
I don't know if Steve Deace or Mark Levin are officially Salem radio though we do get them. They probably wouldn't but Mike Gallagher has supported Trump pretty much as long as I've paid attention, at least, since the primaries ended.
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Actually, Hugh Hewitt did have a caller from Kentucky going after Paul.
But Hewitt loyally walks the GOP line; I wouldn't call it going full Trump support. I'd call it going full Republican in this case, Hewitt at one point, urged Trump to drop out when that recording came out, saying more would probably come out.
Medved won't though he's conciliatory towards healthcare reform and always ends up saying something like "well, it's better than what we have now". Prager often treats popular culture but he, some time ago, started supporting Trump.
I don't know if Steve Deace or Mark Levin are officially Salem radio though we do get them. They probably wouldn't but Mike Gallagher has supported Trump pretty much as long as I've paid attention, at least, since the primaries ended.
Sounds like the lineup in your neck of the woods is a bit different. Larry Elder replaced Medved in Dallas, and Levin is on another station at his regular time.
I admit to listening to Hugh only a bit this morning on my drive to work. Dallas doesn't have him on for three hours, Mark Davis comes on during Hugh's third hour. It was like that when Bill Bennett was hosting his show.
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Actually, Hugh Hewitt did have a caller from Kentucky going after Paul.
But Hewitt loyally walks the GOP line; I wouldn't call it going full Trump support. I'd call it going full Republican in this case, Hewitt at one point, urged Trump to drop out when that recording came out, saying more would probably come out.
Medved won't though he's conciliatory towards healthcare reform and always ends up saying something like "well, it's better than what we have now". Prager often treats popular culture but he, some time ago, started supporting Trump.
I don't know if Steve Deace or Mark Levin are officially Salem radio though we do get them. They probably wouldn't but Mike Gallagher has supported Trump pretty much as long as I've paid attention, at least, since the primaries ended.
Your assessment is pretty spot on.
Sadly, none of the above save Levin (maybe Deace, I dont know) will argue the issue from a fundamentally Constitutionally grounded perspective. They seem willing to surrender that ground without a fight.
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Sen. Rand Paul on Obamacare: 'We gotta really repeal it'
Something I agree completely with Rand about.
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Something I agree completely with Rand about.
Yeah, if only for the reason that's been the primary promise from the Pubbies since 2010. Obamacare would be much worse than it is now, had the most onerous provisions not been extended until after Obama left office.
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:amen: Brother :amen:
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Yeah, if only for the reason that's been the primary promise from the Pubbies since 2010. Obamacare would be much worse than it is now, had the most onerous provisions not been extended until after Obama left office.
The whole Rotten ACA left a lot of Easter Eggs for Americans after Big Ears was safely out of office.
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Constitutionally grounded is spot-on
Unfortunately, after the 2008 elections, the Democrats did get a mandate(?) to push anything on us; entitlements as said many times, are hard to overturn and then, they passed it in the middle of the night, Christmas season I believe, "to find out what's in it, read it". The whole episode is frustrating.
Circumstances conspired to make this a difficult situation.
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The whole Rotten ACA left a lot of Easter Eggs for Americans after Big Ears was safely out of office.
It's frustrating that the proponents of full repeal never mention it when "debating" (arguing) on news shows.
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Paul, one of four GOP Senators opposing the Better Care Reconciliation Act on grounds that it does not go far enough to repeal Obamacare, told Cavuto that GOP leadership has not given conservatives feedback on their concerns.
And this will be the undoing of the Pubs. Trump is really no help on any of this. He's not a conservative and just wants a victory.
The "moderates" are like Trump they really don't care about the long term implications, or how health care will be forever changed. They just want to have a "victory".
The conservatives have to hold the line. If they give in on this Medicaid will be the single payer system we will all ultimately have to live under.
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Paul, one of four GOP Senators opposing the Better Care Reconciliation Act on grounds that it does not go far enough to repeal Obamacare, told Cavuto that GOP leadership has not given conservatives feedback on their concerns.
And this will be the undoing of the Pubs. Trump is really no help on any of this. He's not a conservative and just wants a victory.
The "moderates" are like Trump they really don't care about the long term implications, or how health care will be forever changed. They just want to have a "victory".
The conservatives have to hold the line. If they give in on this Medicaid will be the single payer system we will all ultimately have to live under.
Agree! Full repeal as promised. Full repeal as was voted on 60 times under Bammy.
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Agree! Full repeal as promised. Full repeal as was voted on 60 times under Bammy.
Mitch McConnell and his merry band of Pubbies never expected millions of us to be paying attention. Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare 68 times.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promised-to-repeal-obamacare-many-times-ab9500dad31e (https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promised-to-repeal-obamacare-many-times-ab9500dad31e)
Donald Trump promised to repeal Obamacare at least 68 times, but after the House’s failure on Friday to even vote on its replacement bill, the American Health Care Act of 2017, the White House’s position is that Republicans are “stuck” with Obamacare.
As a candidate, president-elect, and president, Trump has repeatedly pointed to the repeal of Obamacare as a top priority and a key reason he wanted to be president.
Republicans are setting themselves up for a fall in 2018.
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Mitch McConnell and his merry band of Pubbies never expected millions of us to be paying attention. Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare 68 times.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promised-to-repeal-obamacare-many-times-ab9500dad31e (https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promised-to-repeal-obamacare-many-times-ab9500dad31e)
Republicans are setting themselves up for a fall in 2018.
It's gonna be interesting to watch the fall out and the blame game if we lose the House and/or the Senate next year.
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It's gonna be interesting to watch the fall out and the blame game if we lose the House and/or the Senate next year.
It will take a real tidal wave to turn the House or Senate back to the Dems, as long as Pelosi and Schumer are leading Congress. Dems are despised much more than Republicans at this point.
One of my wife's cousins is an ardent Democrat, and is convinced that Ted Cruz will lose next year to Beto O'Rourke of El Paso. I informed him of a salient fact: Ted's support in the suburbs and rural areas will overwhelm the Democrat vote in the large cities. I couldn't recall the last time a Democrat from El Paso won a statewide race.
After a few beers, he said a few obscene things about Senator Cruz, and I politely but firmly told him his remarks were not appropriate for mixed company (we were at a wedding).
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It's gonna be interesting to watch the fall out and the blame game if we lose the House and/or the Senate next year.
I sure don't want to see it, but if the Pubs won't keep a promise they've been making for 7 years why support them.
Rand Paul made a great comment this morning on Fox Business. He said it's a lot easier for conservatives to go back to their constituents and explain that they couldn't vote for the Pub bill because it wasn't a repeal of obamacare than it's for the moderates to try and explain why they didn't want to repeal obamacare.
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Something I agree completely with Rand about.
Absolutely!
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May agree but as likely, the Senators won't get anything done. I don't agree with that.
Thanks guys for standing on principal.
They might as well vote for Obamacare.
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Something I agree completely with Rand about.
Yep! 100%
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Yeah, if only for the reason that's been the primary promise from the Pubbies since 2010. Obamacare would be much worse than it is now, had the most onerous provisions not been extended until after Obama left office.
Unless it's totally repealed, any gypsy fortune teller would tell you, 'Single Payer' within a decade.
That was the end-game from Day 1.
If the ACA can be tweaked depending on the ruling Party and you retain said legislation...you effectively legitimize it.
The Federal and State governments need to GTFO of healthcare. Period.
....cept for Medicare, of course. :bolt:
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May agree but as likely, the Senators won't get anything done. I don't agree with that.
Thanks guys for standing on principal.
They might as well vote for Obamacare.
There'll be no compromising in our favor AT ALL if no one stands on principles while the bill is being written.
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It will take a real tidal wave to turn the House or Senate back to the Dems, as long as Pelosi and Schumer are leading Congress. Dems are despised much more than Republicans at this point.
One of my wife's cousins is an ardent Democrat, and is convinced that Ted Cruz will lose next year to Beto O'Rourke of El Paso. I informed him of a salient fact: Ted's support in the suburbs and rural areas will overwhelm the Democrat vote in the large cities. I couldn't recall the last time a Democrat from El Paso won a statewide race.
After a few beers, he said a few obscene things about Senator Cruz, and I politely but firmly told him his remarks were not appropriate for mixed company (we were at a wedding).
I've noticed that libs really have no sense of decorum.
I don't think Pelosi or Schumer being lunatics will keep the Rats from getting a majority though. The media is non stop in their anti-Trump and anti-Pub coverage. If the Pubs don't keep their promises on obamacare and immigration, no matter how crazy the Rats are, there is no reason to vote for them. The Rats could retake the House in 2018 and maybe the Senate in 2020.
Imagine if the Rats run a moderately sane candidate for POTUS in 2020 and the Pubs haven't fulfilled their promises. It could get ugly very quickly.
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There'll be no compromising in our favor AT ALL if no one stands on principles while the bill is being written.
I would bet my last dollar that no actual senator was involved in the writing of this bill! I'll bet it was done entirely by K Street lobbyist and a few senate aids!
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Mitch McConnell and his merry band of Pubbies never expected millions of us to be paying attention. Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare 68 times.
The GOP voted to repeal ObamaCare in it's entirety a bunch of times under Obama in their act of kabuki Theater.
Today - not so much. They want to keep it, expand it, "improve it" - which simply tries to lessen the pain to usher in Single Payer which a bunch of them are now on-board with.
Republicans are setting themselves up for a fall in 2018.
They are perfectly fine with that, and prefer to be the "opposition party" because thats when they get the most funding - and they are happy to simply be at the Democrat table.
The GOP is a national party no more. They are simply become the Democrats with a handful of 'radical Conservatives' that they want out of their party.
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Unless it's totally repealed, any gypsy fortune teller would tell you, 'Single Payer' within a decade.
That was the end-game from Day 1.
If the ACA can be tweaked depending on the ruling Party and you retain said legislation...you effectively legitimize it.
The Federal and State governments need to GTFO of healthcare. Period.
....cept for Medicare, of course.
On this my friend, you and I are in total complete and perfect agreement.
In fact that should become a meme to preach anytime the GOP talks about healthcare - ANY legislation that does not REPEAL ObamaCare in-full, in-total, root and branch - is a vote for Single Payer in the near future.
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On this my friend, you and I are in total complete and perfect agreement.
In fact that should become a meme to preach anytime the GOP talks about healthcare - ANY legislation that does not REPEAL ObamaCare in-full, in-total, root and branch - is a vote for Single Payer in the near future.
:patriot:
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Thanks to these RINOS who will keep Planned Parenthood funded, they are on the same side as the demon rats.
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Thanks to these RINOS who will keep Planned Parenthood funded, they are on the same side as the demon rats.
Remind me again who signed the spending bill that continued to fund them?
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My plan this weekend is to write an email to every federal representative I can find, and tell them that I want to see them act within the limits set by our Constitution, immediately develop and pass a means to fully repeal 0bamacare, fund a border-barrier, and work to quickly develop a tax-reform plan.
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Rand's plan...(I kinda like it): https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/ObamacareReplacementActSections.pdf
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My plan this weekend is to write an email to every federal representative I can find, and tell them that I want to see them act within the limits set by our Constitution, immediately develop and pass a means to fully repeal 0bamacare, fund a border-barrier, and work to quickly develop a tax-reform plan.
I emailed Lamar Smith, Ted Cruz, and John Cornyn and in their mealy-mouthed answers not a one of them is talking full repeal. I have never heard a satisfactory answer from anyone in the GOP about why they can't repeal as they voted on when Bammy was in office.
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Rand's plan...(I kinda like it): https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/ObamacareReplacementActSections.pdf
Beats the trash they are currently trying to sell ALL to hell!
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I used to like Ron's Kid. But the kid is defective on so many issues I can't listen to him anymore.
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I emailed Lamar Smith, Ted Cruz, and John Cornyn and in their mealy-mouthed answers not a one of them is talking full repeal. I have never heard a satisfactory answer from anyone in the GOP about why they can't repeal as they voted on when Bammy was in office.
It has been made abundantly clear by the Oligarchy and it's Establishment - they have absolutely NO INTENTION of repealing ObamaCare.
They all want Single Payer that ObamaCare is designed to usher in, and all this crap we are watching is just kabuki theater.
The handful that actually would like to repeal it because they still care about those who voted for them - have been told to pound sand and/or play along.
O'Care is here to stay folks - whether it collapses the entire health insurance market altogether (by design) or they manage to put band aids on the misery to string it out long enough before they have to usher in Single Payer/DMV/VA healthcare for all - those who drive the Beast or think they will benefit from it - will ensure it happens.
You and me, the little people to whom they boldfaced lied to about repeal "root and branch", hold us in utter contempt - and have already threatened to "punch us in the nose" and force us to sit down and shut up.
You are never going to hear anything but a bunch of bullshit two-faced political gobbedely gook speech (ala Cruz) while doing nothing but placating and grandstanding.
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As usual @INVAR I agree with most all you stated above, The whole thing has indeed proven to be nothing but a travesty, from the get-go.
I take offense to you bringing Cruz into this, he is among the few Giants in the Senate standing up to this crap, IMHO.
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It's not getting repealed..Rand is just another Hillbelly :silly:
The present healthcare debate really comes down to a unexpressed debate on the value of human life. It's been the mantra of the GOP that human life is invaluable and abortion is therefore unacceptable, that life should be prolonged at all costs and it is up to the creator and not the government to make that call..
The Dims have approached that unfortunate dicatomy by funding both the abortion mill and Obamacare with a guarantee of unlimited federal funding regardless of prognosis. The GOP, now that they control the presidency and the congress are struggling because they have always had the mentality of the opposition rather than the governing party. They are finding out a governing party cannot easily take back the federal dollars promised by the other guys while they were in the minority and stay in offiice.
The most important thing to today's politician whether dim or gop is getting reelected.
The liberals are going to be profoundly disappointed that their Utopian socialist society will not come to fruition in today's America. The social conservatives who still held a glimmer of hope that the GPO reflected even 10% of their values will be equally disappointed.
In the end the GOP will do the same thing as the Dims...fund both sides while promising their voters they are not.
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As usual @INVAR I agree with most all you stated above, The whole thing has indeed proven to be nothing but a travesty, from the get-go.
I take offense to you bringing Cruz into this, he is among the few Giants in the Senate standing up to this crap, IMHO.
I'm bothered by Cruz' written reply to @austingirl which reads like your typical political brush-aside with zero substance and nothing but trite talking points designed to placate their concerns without spelling out any intentions Cruz himself has of repealing the travesty:
Full repeal is the only way. I emailed him about this yesterday and his response : "Please be assured that I will continue to work closely with my Senate colleagues, from across the ideological spectrum, on consensus reforms to make health insurance more affordable."
He did mention : For the past seven years, Republicans have run for Congress on a commitment to repeal Obamacare. On May 4th, the House of Representatives was able to come together to improve their first draft and pass a bill to start the process of fulfilling the congressional majority's longstanding promises to reduce premiums and make health care more affordable."
His response seems to be double-speak. Reducing premiums and making health care more affordable is not the same as fully repealing Obamacare.
I am disappointed.
While Cruz was the guy I wanted to vote for, I do have to admit his political polish was off-putting at times, and this reply to austingirl is one of those jitters I have of him. We do not want 'consensus' with the Democrats - we want them to keep their damned promise to repeal this beast 'root and branch' and stop playing games and talking out of both sides of their mouths.
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As usual @INVAR I agree with most all you stated above, The whole thing has indeed proven to be nothing but a travesty, from the get-go.
I take offense to you bringing Cruz into this, he is among the few Giants in the Senate standing up to this crap, IMHO.
From Cruz's response to me. "Please be assured that I will continue to work closely with my Senate colleagues, from across the ideological spectrum, on consensus reforms to make health insurance more affordable."
No mention of full repeal anywhere in his reply. I am extremely disappointed.
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I'm bothered by Cruz' written reply to @austingirl which reads like your typical political brush-aside with zero substance and nothing but trite talking points designed to placate their concerns without spelling out any intentions Cruz himself has of repealing the travesty:
While Cruz was the guy I wanted to vote for, I do have to admit his political polish was off-putting at times, and this reply to austingirl is one of those jitters I have of him. We do not want 'consensus' with the Democrats - we want them to keep their damned promise to repeal this beast 'root and branch' and stop playing games and talking out of both sides of their mouths.
I read that when @austingirl posted it @INVAR and it did indeed bother me also, and in fear of sounding like a Trumpster propping up my favorite, Ted is one of our last defenses.
We just have so few tools left these days and a COS or a NEW Federalist Party seems further away from reality than I care to admit.
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I'm bothered by Cruz' written reply to @austingirl which reads like your typical political brush-aside with zero substance and nothing but trite talking points designed to placate their concerns without spelling out any intentions Cruz himself has of repealing the travesty:
While Cruz was the guy I wanted to vote for, I do have to admit his political polish was off-putting at times, and this reply to austingirl is one of those jitters I have of him. We do not want 'consensus' with the Democrats - we want them to keep their damned promise to repeal this beast 'root and branch' and stop playing games and talking out of both sides of their mouths.
I think you are right that all the congresscritters want single payer eventually. It gives them more power and control over us peasants, more money to dole out as they see fit. I donated to Cruz's campaign several times and will never do so again.
As far as I can tell Paul and Lee are the only two who continue to mention full repeal.
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I read that when @austingirl posted it @INVAR and it did indeed bother me also, and in fear of sounding like a Trumpster propping up my favorite, Ted is one of our last defenses.
Then this issue is the PERFECT TEST to see whether or not our faith in Cruz to uphold Conservative principles is well-placed or not.
Thus far, I'm not impressed. If there ever was an issue to make a stand upon - this is the issue: repealing ObamaCare root and branch. It has no place existing in a Constitutional Republic.
So either he works to get rid of it as he and his party promised and made fake attempts to do so throughout Obama's tenure - or he is as compromised as the rest of cabal at Mordor on the Potomac.
We do not want consensus in keeping the supreme form of Socialism viable, and yet that is what he wrote he is working to do.
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All Rand needs to do is submit the bill.. Try to get the votes plain and simple.
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I emailed Lamar Smith, Ted Cruz, and John Cornyn and in their mealy-mouthed answers not a one of them is talking full repeal. I have never heard a satisfactory answer from anyone in the GOP about why they can't repeal as they voted on when Bammy was in office.
Probably one of their staffers responding to you anyway.