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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 18, 2019, 07:00:33 pm
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House passes bill to raise minimum wage to $15 an hour
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News
The House of Representatives approved the Raise the Wage Act Thursday, which would boost the federal minimum wage for the first time in a decade.
In a 231-199 vote along party lines, the House passed the legislation that would increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour, more than double the current rate of $7.25. In an even more drastic increase, the bill calls for having the same minimum wage for tipped workers, raising it from $2.13 an hour.
A report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted that approximately 30 million people would see higher earnings as a result of the bill, bringing more than one million out of poverty.
"America's workers deserve a raise," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference before the vote.
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Just in time for the automation taking place.
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The minimum wage should be $0/hr.
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This is the min wage in my area.
It isn't BAD for small businesses - its LETHAL to small businesses.
And I live in a very high cost region. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a small employer in Ohio and have to pay employees this amount.
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The minimum wage should be $0/hr.
That's exactly right - Though most folks won't follow why that is so.
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The minimum wage should be $0/hr.
That's called slavery, and it's unconstitutional.
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This is the min wage in my area.
It isn't BAD for small businesses - its LETHAL to small businesses.
And I live in a very high cost region. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a small employer in Ohio and have to pay employees this amount.
As a reminder to all, be aware this is only HALF the story.
The other half is the witholdings and insurances that employers have to pay and.or meet, which generally will nearly double the amount in cost to the employer...
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That's called slavery, and it's unconstitutional.
No, and no.
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No, and no.
Come on. Make it legal for an employer to pay his (or her) workers nothing? That doesn't make sense.
It's not even employment if the employer doesn't pay their workers. Even though certain white-collar employers haven't found a way around it by calling those "jobs" "unpaid internships" as an extortion racket to keep the poor out of the job pool.
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That's called slavery, and it's unconstitutional.
Uh, no. Not even close. Working for a wage is always a choice. Slavery is not. And it is NEVER the government's business to dictate how much money I am willing to work for.
Consider a company that invented a gadget that can determine the make and model of any car that drives by my house. They use these gadgets to amass marketing info which provides value to them. But the gadgets are expensive to manufacture, so they can't risk leaving them unattended.
This is where I come in. I really don't want to leave my house to work a job, and I really don't need extra income either. But I would gladly sit on my porch all day for free insurance. So this company offers me their company insurance, but no wage, to me for setting their gadget out on my front porch and guarding it for five hours each day.
Two parties coming together and agreeing to a contract that benefits them both. It is a win-win. Yet Big Brother dictates that we are not allowed to do this based on some arbitrary wage floor that He sets.
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As a reminder to all, be aware this is only HALF the story.
The other half is the witholdings and insurances that employers have to pay and.or meet, which generally will nearly double the amount in cost to the employer...
Yes. We're employers and recent increases from 9 to 15 per hour have cut our income in half. We're now looking to sell all of our businesses and move to an employee-less model.
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That's called slavery, and it's unconstitutional.
Well, it would be if Congress mandated that people accept $0 for their work, but it wouldn’t be if Congress simply stopped setting a minimum wage at all. Then everyone would be free to negotiate any wage at all.
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Only $15....? How heartless. :whistle:
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Only $15....? How heartless. :whistle:
Yeah, right? If liberals truly cared, they would raise the minimum wage to $100/hr.
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That's called slavery, and it's unconstitutional.
@jmyrlefuller
Employment is like any other contract - a voluntary contract between two people. Voluntary.
If you are dumb enough to work for nothing, that's on you.
On the other hand, I have been down on my luck with no place to go, and entered into an 'illegal' agreement with a rancher to work hard days for $500/mo and found.
The rancher, a widow woman, could not afford help, but like ranch women are, was a good cook, with butt-tons of food in the cellar, and kept the bunkhouse for me, did my laundry and my mending - Happy to do what she could.
I was hungry, with wore out boots, and a pickup with a blown motor. But I had a strong back and knew how... I spent a season on that ol gal's ranch, made my stake, and went on grateful to her.
And there is nothing at all wrong with that voluntary agreement between two parties.
Had she to pay the going minimum rate, she just would not have hired, and neither of us would have benefited.
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Yes. We're employers and recent increases from 9 to 15 per hour have cut our income in half. We're now looking to sell all of our businesses and move to an employee-less model.
Me too - The precise reason I am not painting houses anymore.
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The Dems are truly idiots. Implementation of a $15/hr minimum wage will eliminate 3 million jobs, perhaps more. Back will come the automated order stations within fast food, as well as other industries. There is a reason for why when one goes to a department store, there are no employees in evidence typically.
I read recently an article that basically implied that 60% of all current jobs will be eliminated over the next 10 years. Pushing a higher minimum wage will just accelerate that outcome.
My first job was working in a grocery chain store. I was paid minimum wage, $1.60 per hour. 15 cents of that went to the union I was forced to join. And I was happy to have the job. We worked our butts off. I worked a register, not using APCs, we had to know the price of everything and manually enter the data into a register. When not on a register, we stocked shelves, and at the end of the day, we cleaned the store. Today, there are folks on registers until 9PM, and then we have to ring our own items up, and there are separate folks to stock and clean. Very different world today. Folks do not work nearly as hard as years ago.
I think the folks indicating $0 dollars were implying we should not have any minimum wage, not that folks should be paid $0 dollars for their labor.
Something not mentioned much these days are the adverse affects of Obamacare on the labor force. Thanks to the rules of Obamacare, many that had 40 hour+ per week jobs plus benefits were reduced to under 29 hours per week and no benefits. These same people were forced to get a 2nd and in some cases a 3rd job. This is how so many today have multiple jobs just to get by, people that had full time employment and benefits forced by Obamacare into this nonsense.
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The minimum wage should be $0/hr.
It is. That's the wage one is "paid" if one cannot find a job. This bill, which is unlikely to pass the Senate I suspect, would expand the numbers of people unable to find a job. And if you'll pardon the cliche, teens and the less skilled would be hardest hit. As @skeeter pointed out, this one-size-fit-all massive change will clobber lower-income regions even harder than it is already hitting high-cost areas. It's putting businesses out of business in Prog-run cities like SF and Seattle and NYC.
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The Dems are truly idiots. Implementation of a $15/hr minimum wage will eliminate 3 million jobs, perhaps more. Back will come the automated order stations within fast food, as well as other industries. There is a reason for why when one goes to a department store, there are no employees in evidence typically.
More than that... the cost of labor is a variable in every industry. The cost of wages will get passed through to the consumer. And costs all the way around will skyrocket... Not to mention low wage jobs being tightened.
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The DEMS are idiots for passing the bill, but IF the Senate doesn't pass the bill, then they will be seen as insensitive to the poor working class folks. The DEMS are going to win on this one regardless if the bill passes or not. In the long run of course it is the American people who will lose on this; some are just too bamboozled to realize it.
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Government regulated inflation.
What WILL the left think of next?
Since my,and no one else's,retirement pay is going to increase to keep pace with inflation,looks like I will be rolling welfare drunks for spending money.
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That's called slavery, and it's unconstitutional.
@jmyrlefuller
Where did you come up with THAT brain fart? Nobody said anybody has to work for free.
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Come on. Make it legal for an employer to pay his (or her) workers nothing? That doesn't make sense.
@jmyrlefuller
Tell me,how long do YOU think employees will keep showing up if they don't get paid?
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Yeah, right? If liberals truly cared, they would raise the minimum wage to $100/hr.
@Hoodat
They probably will before it's over,and then we will see minimum wage workers ordering new Mercedes,and demanding they be able to buy them at the old prices.
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The Dems are truly idiots. Implementation of a $15/hr minimum wage will eliminate 3 million jobs, perhaps more.
@jafo2010
Which means an immediate increase of 3 million new Dim voters,at a minimum.
The Dim leadership knows what they are doing,it's their followers that are idiots.
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More than that... the cost of labor is a variable in every industry. The cost of wages will get passed through to the consumer. And costs all the way around will skyrocket... Not to mention low wage jobs being tightened.
And more low wage jobs being taken by illegals.
IF the Senate decides to pick this up, I wish that they would hammer that point home. But I don't think they'll do either.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Surplus_from_Price_Floor.svg/768px-Surplus_from_Price_Floor.svg.png)
Price = Wages
Quantity = Workers
Surplus = Unemployed due to artificial price floor
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Surplus_from_Price_Floor.svg/768px-Surplus_from_Price_Floor.svg.png)
Price = Wages
Quantity = Workers
Surplus = Unemployed due to artificial price floor
I've often wondered how many more people would "get" economics if the axes weren't backwards.
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And more low wage jobs being taken by illegals.
They're trying to close that loophole too.
New York is on its way to 15 now, and just this past week they cut out the farm work exemption. The draconian work conditions most of the farms that employ illegal labor use (100+ hour, 7 day work weeks with no overtime or rest) will no longer be legal here, which in and of itself I don't mind (and may even make farm work more palatable to those who aren't masochists), but combined with the artificially high minimum wage, a lot of farmers are panicking. Upstate has a strong dairy industry and they're already getting squeezed with the price of milk lately.
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The draconian work conditions most of the farms that employ illegal labor use (100+ hour, 7 day work weeks with no overtime or rest)
ROTFLMAO!!!
Silly rabbit.
Welcome to farm life.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Make hay while the sun shines"?
It's true.
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@jmyrlefuller
Tell me,how long do YOU think employees will keep showing up if they don't get paid?
Ask anyone on an unpaid internship. If they have parents paying their bills, they can work for free until they get access to the corporate ladder that poor people can't get because they need money coming in to support themselves.
Corporate America has long gotten away with "employing" people and not paying them, especially young adults. Paying dues, they call it. It's stupid for the government to officially endorse that business model.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
Silly rabbit.
Welcome to farm life.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Make hay while the sun shines"?
It's true.
It's bull. If you want a job done, hire enough people and manage your labor so you don't have to work everyone into the ground! No other industry gets away with that kind of abuse. None! Except the armed forces, maybe... but they're a special case and always have been.
We could probably solve a good chunk of our illegal alien labor if we stopped thinking all-work, every-waking-hour is an acceptable way of life. It destroys people!
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A supermarket chain in my neck of the woods is experimenting with a plan whereby an app on your smartphone tracks everything you put into your shopping cart. When you're done, you have the options of using the app to charge your purchases to your credit or debit card without having to check out, or you can go through the traditional checkout line with a cashier or self-serve checkout. Eventually, the company will do away with the checkout line with a real person altogether. Cashier jobs will be gone.
So good luck with that $15/hour minimum wage.
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We could probably solve a good chunk of our illegal alien labor if we stopped thinking all-work, every-waking-hour is an acceptable way of life. It destroys people!
My opinions on what's acceptable has zero bearing on illegal alien labor. On days that I work, I typically put in 13-16 hours. If I have to be away from my family, I want every hour I can get. I don't give a damn what anyone else chooses to do.
As for illegals, I have a hell of a lot more respect for illegals doing farm labor or even the ones who gather in parking lots near home depot trying to earn a buck, instead of the ones who come here to game the system to get free this or free that, and then enroll their non-English-speaking kids in public schools which drive standards down for everyone else.
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It's bull. If you want a job done, hire enough people and manage your labor so you don't have to work everyone into the ground!
You could not afford to eat. Every farm everywhere, Daylight to dark. Don't like it, work somewhere else.
No other industry gets away with that kind of abuse. None! Except the armed forces, maybe... but they're a special case and always have been.
That abuse you're talking about has another word out here in the hinterlands: Reality. Sure it don't pay much... but then money ain't the point. Living is, and that's life. And any farmer or rancher will tell you the same.
We could probably solve a good chunk of our illegal alien labor if we stopped thinking all-work, every-waking-hour is an acceptable way of life. It destroys people!
Not in the country it don't. It makes them alive.
Not a damn thing wrong with hard work, or hard play when you can.
And that ain't just ag... Any/every field I have ever been in, the folks that matter are the ones who go the extra mile and do the job right, whatever it takes.
Worry about the work and the money will come.