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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2024, 10:59:30 pm »
Split the difference - divided Government.

I think people might want to roll back some of the changes. Ain't happening without complete control.

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2024, 12:24:26 am »
That way we can lock in all the gains the leftists have make against the Country.  Good plan.

You could not hold a gun on me and make me vote for ANY Democrat in existence today! It looks like that's not going to matter at all.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2024, 03:01:27 am »
You could not hold a gun on me and make me vote for ANY Democrat in existence today! It looks like that's not going to matter at all.

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2024, 03:29:00 am »
You could not hold a gun on me and make me vote for ANY Democrat in existence today! It looks like that's not going to matter at all.

I could vote for Manchin or Sinema, depending. I respect that they were willing to stand up to their own parties.

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2024, 04:21:38 pm »
I could vote for Manchin or Sinema, depending. I respect that they were willing to stand up to their own parties.

I would not have voted for Sinema, had she chosen too run. 
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2024, 08:13:15 pm »
"Both sides" are not equally wrong. 

Yes they are. Equally. Just differently.

Besides, yours is the argument toward lesser evil, which is an absurdity.

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2024, 08:16:22 pm »
I am going to take a stab at the question posed in the title.

People are faced with crappy decisions many times every day.  They usually go with what sucks least.

And that inevitably leads right down the garden path.

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2024, 08:36:48 pm »
Let's see...

One candidate advocates policies that make my family measurably poorer than before.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past made my family more prosperous than before.

One candidate advocates policies that make my country less safe than before.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past made my country more safe than before. To wit, he started exactly no wars.

One candidate advocates policies that will end my freedom and liberty. Her friend John Kerry openly condemns the First Amendment as an impediment to creating government consensus.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past that eroded freedom and liberty and those policies were used against him by the current regime.

Neither is perfect. But one opposes the authoritarian regime that the other supports.

I have to choose the one that doesn't impinge so much on my freedom and I have to hope that his judicial appointees will act to restrain authoritarianism so I don't have to.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2024, 08:40:43 pm »
I'll vote for a candidate who loves his country over one that doesn't every damned time!
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2024, 09:22:04 pm »
Let's see...

One candidate [Kamala Harris] advocates policies that make my family measurably poorer than before.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past made my family more prosperous than before.

One candidate [Kamala Harris] advocates [NO, ENFORCES] policies that make my country less safe than before.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past made my country more safe than before. To wit, he started exactly no wars.

One candidate [Kamala Harris] advocates policies that will end my freedom and liberty. Her friend John Kerry openly condemns the First Amendment as an impediment to creating government consensus.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past that eroded freedom and liberty and those policies were used against him by the current regime.

Neither is perfect. But one opposes the authoritarian regime that the other supports.

I have to choose the one that doesn't impinge so much on my freedom and I have to hope that his judicial appointees will act to restrain authoritarianism so I don't have to.

Please do not leave some people guessing.  I filled in "one candidate's" name in brackets.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2024, 11:33:07 pm »
In reality, we haven't had a good candidate to vote for since Reagan. And although this maybe sacrilege, he really wasn't popular in his time.  So maybe, a Pub candidate that wins will be idolized 50  years or so later.

So. I'll continue to vote  for the "less bad".

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2024, 11:57:31 pm »
If you have children, raise them right. If anyone is going to have a chance of righting this ship it will not be in our lifetimes.

If you don't, and can't have them... you're in the same boat I'm in. And quite frankly the future is bleak.

To watch the fall of the west and be completely hopeless to stop it or even slow it down is the worst feeling in the world.

I seriously thought another RON could be that savior….at least enough to possibly tip us back but give time to push it that way again.

But too many are totally slavish to a certain SOB who is easy to hate, and thus ultimately doesn’t help us.

That is the primary system.  We’re stuck with just 2 choices and for 95% of us, it’s simple.  But some won’t vote because of the individuals.  Some of us will vote only because of the party.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2024, 12:01:38 am »
In reality, we haven't had a good candidate to vote for since Reagan. And although this maybe sacrilege, he really wasn't popular in his time.  So maybe, a Pub candidate that wins will be idolized 50  years or so later.

So. I'll continue to vote  for the "less bad".

Actually Reagan was very popular.  Just that no one was such a slavish dolt to him.  The best thing about Reagan was it was hard to hate him.  Disarming, sunny and positive, there was none of that “I really hate him so I’ll vote against no matter what loser is the Dem”.  Trump generates a lot of hatred with his stupid foot in mouth disease.  That apparently was enough to send people to vote for a doddering old demented fool who might croak any minute.  Reagan never had that kind of animus (vs sycophant butt-kissers either).
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2024, 01:19:49 am »
Let's see...

One candidate advocates policies that make my family measurably poorer than before.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past made my family more prosperous than before.

One candidate advocates policies that make my country less safe than before.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past made my country more safe than before. To wit, he started exactly no wars.

One candidate advocates policies that will end my freedom and liberty. Her friend John Kerry openly condemns the First Amendment as an impediment to creating government consensus.
The other advocates policies that in the recent past that eroded freedom and liberty and those policies were used against him by the current regime.

Neither is perfect. But one opposes the authoritarian regime that the other supports.

I have to choose the one that doesn't impinge so much on my freedom and I have to hope that his judicial appointees will act to restrain authoritarianism so I don't have to.
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