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The Arizona House of Representatives approved a bill Wednesday that will allow voters to decide on the fate of the state’s border security.

Patterned after a Texas law, HCR 2060, titled the Secure the Border Act, passed the state House on a party-line vote, with Republicans holding a slim one-vote majority in the chamber.

The bill, which already passed through the Senate, would make it a crime to enter Arizona illegally and would allow local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration laws while also allowing state judges to deport people convicted of breaking the new law.


"Nothing good comes from open borders," Arizona House Speaker Ben Toma said in a statement to the New York Post. "Only crime, deadly drugs, violence, unsafe communities, and an unending financial drain on American taxpayers. Yet, Democrat leaders fiercely oppose doing anything about it."

Arizona Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs vetoed similar legislation earlier this year and has signaled opposition to the new effort, though this time the Republican bill will bypass the governor and be put in front of voters in November for approval.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-voters-decide-fate-texas-style-border-law-ballot-box
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Where is the state GOP ?

Seriously.  This is a big issue and I don't see anything from them. 

Just like election integrity, this is a big deal.  I had to ask my LD what was being done to communicate to people that the state GOP was actually active in these issues. 

We suck.

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Where is the state GOP ?

Seriously.  This is a big issue and I don't see anything from them. 

Just like election integrity, this is a big deal.  I had to ask my LD what was being done to communicate to people that the state GOP was actually active in these issues. 

We suck.

Are you a Precinct Committeeman?  If not, why not?  if you are not on the battlfield, you are on the sideline.
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Are you a Precinct Committeeman?  If not, why not?  if you are not on the battlfield, you are on the sideline.

Comon man.  He's on social media.  A keyboard warrior. 
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Are you a Precinct Committeeman?  If not, why not?  if you are not on the battlfield, you are on the sideline.

I am a PC.

I was also a PC in Kansas. 

Next question.

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Comon man.  He's on social media.  A keyboard warrior. 

How about you ?  Are you a PC ?  Just curious.

Not that it means you are not engaged.

In Kansas, about 10% of the people I spoke with knew what a PC was or were familiar with the term.

Here.....nobody knows.  I've knocked on doors and been told that nobody from the party has been to their door in over a decade.

We have a one freaking huge amount of work to do.

One of our mistakes is that we belive only PC's are engaged.  We don't look to engage the electorate the way we should. 

I know people who are not PC's who serve as poll workers or as volunteers in the voter roll clean up effort.  They are on the battlefield.
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Are you a Precinct Committeeman?  If not, why not?  if you are not on the battlfield, you are on the sideline.

BTW: You didn't answer my question.

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BTW: You didn't answer my question.

What question?  Last term I was the First Vice Chairman of the Mohave County GOP.  I am glad to hear you are a PC, and that you are talking to people! 
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What question?  Last term I was the First Vice Chairman of the Mohave County GOP.  I am glad to hear you are a PC, and that you are talking to people! 

My precinct has capacity for 18 precinct people.  We have 4.  And all of us in the last four years.  That is NOTHING.

The party turned it's back on this process (the democrats did too) and we are paying for it.

I do not like Turning Point and their paid door-knockers (getting paid to do what I do for free).  They knock once and will never be back.  I have complained about this repeatedly. 

For now, it's a necessary evil.

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My precinct has capacity for 18 precinct people.  We have 4.  And all of us in the last four years.  That is NOTHING.

The party turned it's back on this process (the democrats did too) and we are paying for it.

I do not like Turning Point and their paid door-knockers (getting paid to do what I do for free).  They knock once and will never be back.  I have complained about this repeatedly. 

For now, it's a necessary evil.

In my County, the GOP took PCs to court for "Harassment," spending thousand of dollars the County GOP raised for Candidates.  Despite spending that on Phoenix lawyers, all claims were denied by the Court.  The Chair failed, but it created enormous difficulties.

These kind of actions by the AZ GOP take the PCs away from the original task of getting Republicans elected

Precincts are different out in the Rural Counties than the urban and suburban LDs.  My Precinct is all of a not-small not-large city, and we have 100 PC seats to fill.  I think we just had 70 PCs elected, a new record.  Plenty of seats left!
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Arizona voters will decide fate of Texas-style border law at the ballot box

Just like they decided the fate of the last Gubernatorial and US Senate elections?
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In my County, the GOP took PCs to court for "Harassment," spending thousand of dollars the County GOP raised for Candidates.  Despite spending that on Phoenix lawyers, all claims were denied by the Court.  The Chair failed, but it created enormous difficulties.

These kind of actions by the AZ GOP take the PCs away from the original task of getting Republicans elected

Precincts are different out in the Rural Counties than the urban and suburban LDs.  My Precinct is all of a not-small not-large city, and we have 100 PC seats to fill.  I think we just had 70 PCs elected, a new record.  Plenty of seats left!

Are you saying the LD leadership took the PC's to court ?

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Are you saying the LD leadership took the PC's to court ?

Affirmative.  Spent at least $4K of County GOP funds (to hire an Attorney from Phoenix), and still lost in court.
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Affirmative.  Spent at least $4K of County GOP funds (to hire an Attorney from Phoenix), and still lost in court.

Well, that might tell you why the party is such a mess.

Even in my own LD, we have about 4 or 5 different factions.  Our Chair is struggling to figure out how to bring them together.  He's a good man, but he doesn't get the support he needs to accomplish the basic mission.  Everyone wants to do it their way and they trash those who don't get in line.

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Well, that might tell you why the party is such a mess.

Even in my own LD, we have about 4 or 5 different factions.  Our Chair is struggling to figure out how to bring them together.  He's a good man, but he doesn't get the support he needs to accomplish the basic mission.  Everyone wants to do it their way and they trash those who don't get in line.


Nothing new there! Everybody knows where they want to go but nobody ever gets anywhere because they spend 100% of their time and energy arguing about which bus to ride in.
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Nothing new there! Everybody knows where they want to go but nobody ever gets anywhere because they spend 100% of their time and energy arguing about which bus to ride in.

Well, there are other ways to get things done.  And right now, I am pretty fed up with the morons in our leadership.