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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2024, 12:39:28 pm »
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2024, 01:11:10 pm »
I am old enough to remember when Libertarians were actually serious about philosophy and policy.

Back in the 1970's we used to have discussions about Edmund Burke, John Locke, Frederick Bastiat, Ludwig Von Mises, and Ayn Rand... we'd talk about how to go about dismantling the Federal bureaucracy, beginning with the Department of Education and the newly-minted Department of Energy. We would have arguments about whether drugs could be legalized without causing unacceptable damage to actual human beings and their ability to self-govern.  We'd discuss how to avoid future wars like the one just (poorly) concluded in Vietnam, without going full-blown isolationist, asking in effect: "How and where does a free nation draw the line on foreign entanglement and responsibilities to protect and defend the rights of other peoples?". 

I became a Republican around 1980, when it became clear that the Libertarians were never really going to get serious about governance, but instead preferred to posture and squabble over pointless minutiae, while embracing cultish fantasies, precious metal idolatry and anarchic Utopianism. At that moment in time, Ronald Reagan seemed a far better answer.   

It is because of these experiences that today (as an older guy), I have little patience with kooks and crazies on one hand, but also with people who seek a candidate or party that perfectly matches their preferences, on the other. 
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2024, 01:29:16 pm »
I am old enough to remember when Libertarians were actually serious about philosophy and policy.

Back in the 1970's we used to have discussions about Edmund Burke, John Locke, Frederick Bastiat, Ludwig Von Mises, and Ayn Rand... we'd talk about how to go about dismantling the Federal bureaucracy, beginning with the Department of Education and the newly-minted Department of Energy. We would have arguments about whether drugs could be legalized without causing unacceptable damage to actual human beings and their ability to self-govern.  We'd discuss how to avoid future wars like the one just (poorly) concluded in Vietnam, without going full-blown isolationist, asking in effect: "How and where does a free nation draw the line on foreign entanglement and responsibilities to protect and defend the rights of other peoples?". 

I became a Republican around 1980, when it became clear that the Libertarians were never really going to get serious about governance, but instead preferred to posture and squabble over pointless minutiae, while embracing cultish fantasies, precious metal idolatry and anarchic Utopianism. At that moment in time, Ronald Reagan seemed a far better answer.   

It is because of these experiences that today (as an older guy), I have little patience with kooks and crazies on one hand, but also with people who seek a candidate or party that perfectly matches their preferences, on the other.

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2024, 01:38:09 pm »
'Mises Caucus Just Exploded': Libertarian Party Nominates Left-Winger Chase Oliver

After seven rounds of balloting stretching over seven hours -- and coming close to nominating nobody -- the Libertarian Party gave its presidential nomination to the decidedly left-leaning Chase Oliver on Sunday night in Washington DC.

The result was a devastating upset loss for the Mises Caucus. The Rothbardian, self-described "radical libertarian" group seized control of the party in 2020, but failed to push its favored but flawed candidate -- Michael Rectenwald -- across the goal line.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mises-caucus-just-exploded-libertarian-party-nominates-left-winger-chase-oliver

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2024, 02:11:39 pm »
The LP selected their presidential candidate.


https://twitter.com/gopher_marc/status/1794973132802982086

Add the point they boo'ed Trump and were decent to RFK, Jr. is proof this isn't the party of Gary Johnson or Ron Paul anymore.

The LP is now infested with nutjobs.
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2024, 02:50:41 pm »
The LP is now infested with nutjobs.

Nutjobs with no desire to govern.  By their ideals, they should be bitter enemies of Democrats hellbent on controlling every aspect of societal life.  But they tacitly support Democrats by highlighting themselves as an alternative to Republican candidates.
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2024, 04:05:09 pm »
RIP Libertarian Party: Get a load of the goober they just nominated as their presidential candidate

NTB Staff  ·  May 27, 2024


Welp, it looks like the leftist decay has finally finished off whatever may have remained of the Libertarian Party. Gone are the days of Ron Paul calling for the government to end the Fed and Rand Paul's defiance of COVID mandates.

Behold, the official Libertarian Party nominee for U.S. president, Chase Oliver:




Let's quickly search his X feed and see some of his positions on hot-button issues:

COVID mandates:




Transing the kids:





.  .  . 

https://notthebee.com/article/rip-libertarian-party-get-a-load-of-the-goober-libertarians-just-nominated-as-their-presidential-candidate-/
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2024, 04:07:18 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2024, 04:39:52 pm »
Definitely jumped the shark...

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2024, 05:05:43 pm »
RIP Libertarian Party: Get a load of the goober they just nominated as their presidential candidate

NTB Staff  ·  May 27, 2024


Welp, it looks like the leftist decay has finally finished off whatever may have remained of the Libertarian Party. Gone are the days of Ron Paul calling for the government to end the Fed and Rand Paul's defiance of COVID mandates.

Behold, the official Libertarian Party nominee for U.S. president, Chase Oliver:




Let's quickly search his X feed and see some of his positions on hot-button issues:

COVID mandates:




Transing the kids:





.  .  . 

https://notthebee.com/article/rip-libertarian-party-get-a-load-of-the-goober-libertarians-just-nominated-as-their-presidential-candidate-/


There’s already a party that promotes this nonsense. We dont need another

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2024, 05:07:55 pm »

There’s already a party that promotes this nonsense. We dont need another

Exactly.  The 'guy' is clearly a Democrat, not a Libertarian.
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2024, 05:15:01 pm »
So the Libertarian Party is running a Democrat for president

The Democrat Party  is running a Democrat for president

And the Republican Party is running a Democrat for president
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2024, 05:17:04 pm »
So the Libertarian Party is running a Democrat for president

The Democrat Party  is running a Democrat for president

And the Republican Party is running a Democrat for president

50 Years of fighting the cold war, and this is the trifecta we finally get.
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2024, 05:35:32 pm »
So the Libertarian Party is running a Democrat for president

The Democrat Party  is running a Democrat for president

And the Republican Party is running a Democrat for president

You left out RFKJr
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2024, 05:37:29 pm »
You left out RFKJr

Might as well add the 2 communist (Stein and West), while we are at it.
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2024, 06:13:47 pm »
So the Libertarian Party is running a Democrat for president

The Democrat Party  is running a Democrat for president

And the Republican Party is running a Democrat for president

My point, that there is little difference, laid bare.

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2024, 06:36:42 pm »
You left out RFKJr

lol

Yes, I forgot to include him

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2024, 09:56:28 pm »
Add the point they boo'ed Trump and were decent to RFK, Jr. is proof this isn't the party of Gary Johnson or Ron Paul anymore.

The LP is now infested with nutjobs.
And I mean... the rest of that stuff is par for the course for the big-Ls. But nominating a guy who was in full support of the COVID lockdowns—in a year when all of the other candidates were the same—was a disgrace for a party supposedly built on the principle of personal freedom to its extreme.

It is a classic example of not seeing the forest for the trees. Trans the kids, but let the government shut down your businesses, forbid you from gathering, funnel your communications through monitored corporate social media outlets... as long as they get their weed and bitcoin.
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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2024, 10:18:22 pm »
And I mean... the rest of that stuff is par for the course for the big-Ls. But nominating a guy who was in full support of the COVID lockdowns—in a year when all of the other candidates were the same—was a disgrace for a party supposedly built on the principle of personal freedom to its extreme.

It is a classic example of not seeing the forest for the trees. Trans the kids, but let the government shut down your businesses, forbid you from gathering, funnel your communications through monitored corporate social media outlets... as long as they get their weed and bitcoin.



As far as I know the L's are the only third party to get a seat in Congress.  Are they throwing that away?

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2024, 12:03:38 am »
I am old enough to remember when Libertarians were actually serious about philosophy and policy.

Back in the 1970's we used to have discussions about Edmund Burke, John Locke, Frederick Bastiat, Ludwig Von Mises, and Ayn Rand... we'd talk about how to go about dismantling the Federal bureaucracy, beginning with the Department of Education and the newly-minted Department of Energy. We would have arguments about whether drugs could be legalized without causing unacceptable damage to actual human beings and their ability to self-govern.  We'd discuss how to avoid future wars like the one just (poorly) concluded in Vietnam, without going full-blown isolationist, asking in effect: "How and where does a free nation draw the line on foreign entanglement and responsibilities to protect and defend the rights of other peoples?". 

I became a Republican around 1980, when it became clear that the Libertarians were never really going to get serious about governance, but instead preferred to posture and squabble over pointless minutiae, while embracing cultish fantasies, precious metal idolatry and anarchic Utopianism. At that moment in time, Ronald Reagan seemed a far better answer.   

It is because of these experiences that today (as an older guy), I have little patience with kooks and crazies on one hand, but also with people who seek a candidate or party that perfectly matches their preferences, on the other. 

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Re: Libertarian Convention Thrown into Chaos Ahead of Trump’s Visit
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2024, 01:00:42 am »
I am old enough to remember when Libertarians were actually serious about philosophy and policy.

Back in the 1970's we used to have discussions about Edmund Burke, John Locke, Frederick Bastiat, Ludwig Von Mises, and Ayn Rand... we'd talk about how to go about dismantling the Federal bureaucracy, beginning with the Department of Education and the newly-minted Department of Energy. We would have arguments about whether drugs could be legalized without causing unacceptable damage to actual human beings and their ability to self-govern.  We'd discuss how to avoid future wars like the one just (poorly) concluded in Vietnam, without going full-blown isolationist, asking in effect: "How and where does a free nation draw the line on foreign entanglement and responsibilities to protect and defend the rights of other peoples?". 

I became a Republican around 1980, when it became clear that the Libertarians were never really going to get serious about governance, but instead preferred to posture and squabble over pointless minutiae, while embracing cultish fantasies, precious metal idolatry and anarchic Utopianism. At that moment in time, Ronald Reagan seemed a far better answer.   

It is because of these experiences that today (as an older guy), I have little patience with kooks and crazies on one hand, but also with people who seek a candidate or party that perfectly matches their preferences, on the other.

Very well said.

Us libertarian-leaning conservatives have no political home right now.  Bunch of squatters messing it up right now.

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« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2024, 01:00:45 am »
As far as I know the L's are the only third party to get a seat in Congress.  Are they throwing that away?

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« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2024, 01:04:17 am »
   They still won't beat the Recovery Party of RFK Jr/Shanana
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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2024, 05:07:09 pm »
The Soviet Communist Party has held a Congressional seat from Vermont since 1991 and Rhode Island since 2007.  And Vice President of the United States from 1941-1944.




I didn't realize that. Thanks for the info.