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In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« on: April 24, 2024, 01:20:07 pm »
In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892

BY: CHARLIE KIRK
APRIL 24, 2024




Both candidates have a record, and we know which president saw success and which one has only produced one crisis after another.

As the world’s oldest continually functioning constitutional republic, few things are unprecedented in American politics. Even the pending rematch between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, while a first within recent memory, has happened several times in our country’s long history.

There have been six presidential election rematches in American history, going all the way back to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson’s showdown in 1800. In four of those rematches, the loser of the first tilt won.

But one election in particular stands out as a model for Trump vs. Biden round two: the 1892 election between Grover Cleveland and Benjamin Harrison. To this day, it is the only rematch election between two men who had both served a term as president.

Eight years before, in 1884, Grover Cleveland became an unlikely presidential election winner. While Cleveland was a Democrat, he resembled President Trump in many ways. In those days, the Republican Party was the party of America’s establishment, while Democrats were the insurgent outsiders, still recovering from the aftermath of the Civil War. Like Trump, Cleveland was a surprise national political figure. In the fall of 1881, Cleveland was simply a prominent lawyer in Buffalo, New York. But after whirlwind stints as mayor of Buffalo and governor of New York, just three years later, Cleveland was president-elect.

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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2024, 01:45:53 pm »
From the article….

While Cleveland was a Democrat, he resembled President Trump in many ways

Umm……no

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland#:~:text=His%20crusade%20for%20political%20reform,the%20principles%20of%20classical%20liberalism.

While governor, he closely cooperated with state assembly minority leader Theodore Roosevelt to pass reform measures, winning national attention.[1] He led the Bourbon Democrats, a pro-business movement opposed to high tariffs, free silver, inflation, imperialism, and subsidies to business, farmers, or veterans. His crusade for political reform and fiscal conservatism made him an icon for American conservatives of the time.[2] Cleveland also won praise for honesty, self-reliance, integrity, and commitment to the principles of classical liberalism.[3]

Donald Trump is a mixture of Herbert Hoover, Lyndon Johnson, Barack Obama, and Bernie Sanders
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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2024, 09:49:05 pm »
From the article...

Like in 2024, inflation was one of the key issues in 1892, as Harrison supported an inflationary monetary policy

Both candidates this year support an inflationary monetary policy
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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2024, 10:07:48 pm »
From the article….

While Cleveland was a Democrat, he resembled President Trump in many ways

Umm……no

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland#:~:text=His%20crusade%20for%20political%20reform,the%20principles%20of%20classical%20liberalism.

While governor, he closely cooperated with state assembly minority leader Theodore Roosevelt to pass reform measures, winning national attention.[1] He led the Bourbon Democrats, a pro-business movement opposed to high tariffs, free silver, inflation, imperialism, and subsidies to business, farmers, or veterans. His crusade for political reform and fiscal conservatism made him an icon for American conservatives of the time.[2] Cleveland also won praise for honesty, self-reliance, integrity, and commitment to the principles of classical liberalism.[3]

Donald Trump is a mixture of Herbert Hoover, Lyndon Johnson, Barack Obama, and Bernie Sanders

???? What Trump's policies are you comparing to LBJ's Great Society, Obama's transformation of America or Bernie's socialistic agendas???

Trump ran up the deficit though I give him some leeway because he was told he had a pandemic on his hands and was in an unprecedented situation, but I give him much more credit than LBJ, Obama or Bernie. I can't comment on Hoover as I didn't live during his time.
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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 10:10:49 pm »
From the article...

Like in 2024, inflation was one of the key issues in 1892, as Harrison supported an inflationary monetary policy

Both candidates this year support an inflationary monetary policy

Under Trump my wallet certainly didn't experience the inflationary monetary policies that I am now experiencing under Biden and I am not aware as to whether or not Trump support this continued inflation; IIRC, quite the opposite.  He knows that the economy is a mess.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2024, 10:20:38 pm »
Under Trump my wallet certainly didn't experience the inflationary monetary policies that I am now experiencing under Biden and I am not aware as to whether or not Trump support this continued inflation; IIRC, quite the opposite.  He knows that the economy is a mess.

Trillions of dollars were printed under Trump's watch and then sent out in the economy. When everything opened up, inflation. Biden is fueling it

Like it or not, the foundation for the inflation we are experiencing didn't start with Biden, but Trump. Many of us predicted this in March/April of 2020.  You can excuse the pandemic. But the results were the same.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2024, 10:24:45 pm »
???? What Trump's policies are you comparing to LBJ's Great Society, Obama's transformation of America or Bernie's socialistic agendas???

Trump ran up the deficit though I give him some leeway because he was told he had a pandemic on his hands and was in an unprecedented situation, but I give him much more credit than LBJ, Obama or Bernie. I can't comment on Hoover as I didn't live during his time.

Trump's opposition to any entitlement reform

Trump's spending surpassed that of BHO. Remember, he sided with Congressional Democrats over Republicans over the size of COVID stimulus

He favors bailouts. He used taxpayer money to bailout farmers harmed by his tariffs and wanted to bail out the oil companies during COVID

He favors protectionist trade policies that harm consumers and American businesses

He has stated several years ago that the US could print it's way out of a default

I wish Trump was closer to Grover Cleveland.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2024, 10:32:27 pm »
Trump's opposition to any entitlement reform

Trump's spending surpassed that of BHO. Remember, he sided with Congressional Democrats over Republicans over the size of COVID stimulus

He favors bailouts. He used taxpayer money to bailout farmers harmed by his tariffs and wanted to bail out the oil companies during COVID

He favors protectionist trade policies that harm consumers and American businesses

He has stated several years ago that the US could print it's way out of a default

Obama didn't have a pandemic to deal with.  Frankly I am at this point in time more concerned with Obama's succeeding in his transformation of America -- all the ILLEGALS are being allowed to invade our country for a reason.

Trump had us energy independent, and we experienced the lowest unemployment rates in history, especially for Blacks and Hispanics.

Bailing out farmers?  Sorry, I happen to be all for that.  Farmers right now our definitely hurting and with soaring beef prices, fruits, vegetables, chicken, pork, etc., people are finding it difficult to feed their families.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2024, 10:34:34 pm »
Trump's opposition to any entitlement reform

Trump's spending surpassed that of BHO. Remember, he sided with Congressional Democrats over Republicans over the size of COVID stimulus

He favors bailouts. He used taxpayer money to bailout farmers harmed by his tariffs and wanted to bail out the oil companies during COVID

He favors protectionist trade policies that harm consumers and American businesses

He has stated several years ago that the US could print it's way out of a default

I wish Trump was closer to Grover Cleveland.
IMHO LBJ's Great Society was one of the if not the most harmful policy in history to America.  Trump did renegotiate NAFTA and tried to level trade with China -- fair trade instead of free trade.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2024, 10:40:01 pm »
Obama didn't have a pandemic to deal with.  Frankly I am at this point in time more concerned with Obama's succeeding in his transformation of America -- all the ILLEGALS are being allowed to invade our country for a reason.
Obama had an economic crisis when he took office and had H1N1 pandemic

Trump had us energy independent, and we experienced the lowest unemployment rates in history, especially for Blacks and Hispanics.
If by energy independence you mean we didn't import any foreign oil...no



https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-US-Is-Still-Energy-Independent.html

Bailing out farmers?  Sorry, I happen to be all for that.  Farmers right now our definitely hurting and with soaring beef prices, fruits, vegetables, chicken, pork, etc., people are finding it difficult to feed their families.

Trump bailed out farmers because they were harmed by his tariffs
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2024, 11:30:38 pm »

Comparing H1N1 to COVID pales in comparison -- no mask mandates, hospital visitations weren't restricted, businesses didn't shutdown, most people still kept their jobs, we weren't told we had to flatten the curve, the "jab" wasn't required in order to work in certain sectors, etc.

 During President Trump’s last year in office, the net import number turned negative. It is therefore true that we gained energy independence  under President Trump. Net exports in 2020 averaged 635,000 BPD for the year.

Bailing out the farmers? Ok -- regardless -- the price of food continues to skyrocket -- some products are still not available -- that didn't happen IMO as a result of Trump.  So are you saying that Brandon is free from blame??


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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2024, 11:45:23 pm »
Comparing H1N1 to COVID pales in comparison -- no mask mandates, hospital visitations weren't restricted, businesses didn't shutdown, most people still kept their jobs, we weren't told we had to flatten the curve, the "jab" wasn't required in order to work in certain sectors, etc.
But Obama did enter office during an economic crisis. And his response to a crisis is similar to Trump's. More debt, more printing, more government, and more spending

 During President Trump’s last year in office, the net import number turned negative. It is therefore true that we gained energy independence  under President Trump. Net exports in 2020 averaged 635,000 BPD for the year.

The economy was also shut down during Trump's last year in office. hence, less energy usage

Bailing out the farmers? Ok -- regardless -- the price of food continues to skyrocket -- some products are still not available -- that didn't happen IMO as a result of Trump.  So are you saying that Brandon is free from blame??
Um, yes. the  bailouts of farmers did happen as a result of Trump. It was his tariffs

If  I wanted democrat fiscal, economic, and monetary policy, I would just vote for Biden

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2024, 12:12:58 am »
If  I wanted democrat fiscal, economic, and monetary policy, I would just vote for Biden

Well, we have a choice; Brandon, Trump, RFK, or down ballot.

No, I don't want any DEM or liberal policies and therein lies why I cannot vote for anyone other than conservatives down ballot. I just don't agree with some of the analogies or comparisons that you have made.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2024, 12:27:24 am »
I just don't agree with some of the analogies or comparisons that you have made.

Lol

You entitled to disagree

But I've backed up each and everyone of my points with facts
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2024, 01:18:21 am »
Lol

You entitled to disagree

But I've backed up each and everyone of my points with facts

You've basically compared apples to oranges.  :shrug:

It is a fact during  Trump’s last year in office, the net import of petroleum and petroleum product numbers turned negative. So it is indeed therefore true that we gained energy independence under him.

There is nothing that Trump has done policy wise to compare to LBJ's Great Society. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2024, 01:34:47 am »
You've basically compared apples to oranges.  :shrug:

no

It is a fact during  Trump’s last year in office, the net import of petroleum and petroleum product numbers turned negative. So it is indeed therefore true that we gained energy independence under him.

The economy was also shut down during his last year in office so we used less oil in general. Plus, we still imported oil
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbblpd_a.htm


There is nothing that Trump has done policy wise to compare to LBJ's Great Society.

Trump does support a larger federal government. That's undeniable
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2024, 01:44:43 am »


Again, how does Trump's policies compare to LBJ's Great Society which was one of the biggest implementations of policies to keep DEM voters and also one of the largest social reform plans in modern day history??  Medicaid and Medicare ring a bell?  Civil rights hero?

One of the things I do give credit to Johnson for was implementing the Insurrection Act on 3 occasions  when needed.  Trump failing to use the Insurrection Act after the Floyd ordeal is why we are seeing the mobs and riots that we are seeing today.
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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2024, 02:14:08 am »
Again, how does Trump's policies compare to LBJ's Great Society which was one of the biggest implementations of policies to keep DEM voters and also one of the largest social reform plans in modern day history?? 

I didn't bring up the GS. You did. My comparing him to LBJ was because, like LBJ, Trump tends to support an activist federal government.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2024, 02:49:34 am »
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But Obama did enter office during an economic crisis. And his response to a crisis is similar to Trump's. More debt, more printing, more government, and more spending.


LMAO, I used to believe as you did, that the crisis in the last six months of Bush's term was due to him, since it happened on his watch.  But I strongly disagree with that opinion today.

FACT IS, THE MOMENT THE DEMS SELECTED OBAMA AND IDIOT SIDEKICK BIDEN IN JUNE, THE MARKET WENT SOUTH.  EVERYTHING BEGAN FALLING APART AS A NATION.  ABSOLUTELY TRUE.  AND TO TOP IT OFF, IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THOSE TWO EMPTY SUITS WERE ELECTED, THE SH*T HIT THE FAN.

I was on a consulting project at a steel plant in Delaware.  We had promised them $2 million in improvements, and got them $22 million in improvements.  Obama got elected, and by the end of November, the client lost 90% of their business.  They reluctantly reduced the scope from six of us to one, and one month later shut the project down.  That kind of outcome occurred across America and NO ONE said a word, because it would have been considered RACIST.  That POS did untold destruction to this nation, and now he still holds a thumb on the destruction of America through his mindless pawn Wrecking Ball Joe.

Trump is on his best day a huge tool.  He is a liar.  And I would tell him to his face.  He promised to end the H1-b Visa Program DAY ONE of his first term.  Months into it, he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA and INCREASED the numbers of H1-b Visa recipients.  A total betrayal to white collar workers.  He did NOT BUILD THE WALL, a betrayal to blue collar workers.  Of course, the STINKING REPUBLICANS did not support him either.

Something has to change, for our system in Washington is non functional.  Hoping it will change is a waste of time.  REAL CHANGE needs to occur.  We need to return the republic which is gone.  I say by any means necessary.

We no longer have representative government.  Hell, the invading illegal aliens have better representation in our stinking Congress than citizens.  So does Ukraine, our great ally!  BTW, Ukraine has NEVER been an ally of the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Many of these turds supported Hitler and the Nazis.

Trump is an arrogant fool. BUT, and a MAJOR BUT, he did do some good things, and the people benefited from his actions.  I happen to believe the biological weapon unleashed while he was POTUS was released to damage his presidency, and it most surely did.  A total idiot that did not campaign beat him, by any and all means, including OVERTLY CHEATING!  To the winner go the spoils as they say.  Biden's victory is a dark, dark chapter in our history.

We need a real leader in this nation, and neither Trump nor Biden is that man.  The USA is in trouble, and the most serious problems are being ignored.  Plus, Wrecking Ball Joe has set the environment for two wars, and if he gets elected, that picture will not improve, it will worsen.

We got real trouble in river city, and no one to come and fix it, not even Trump!!!!!





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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2024, 03:03:45 am »

Eight years before, in 1884, Grover Cleveland became an unlikely presidential election winner. While Cleveland was a Democrat, he resembled President Trump in many ways. In those days, the Republican Party was the party of America’s establishment, while Democrats were the insurgent outsiders, still recovering from the aftermath of the Civil War.

The whole "establishment" narrative is what bothers me the most about MAGA.

For a very long time in this country, the "Establishment" was something that advanced and preserved individual liberty, free markets, and core American cultural values.  The reason they were able to preserve them was precisely because those values and policies were "established" in this country.  The insurgents/outsiders, or "the People" as they often liked to call themselves (hence, "People's Republics"), were leftists/marxists/socialists whose core appeal was class warfare.  And it used to be that classic liberals/modern conservatives understood the poisonous nature of class warfare.

Of course, with Obama's relatively significant success in effecting a "fundamental transformation" of the country, much of the "Establishment" is now leftist, if not flat-out socialist.  And the leftists in the Establishment have succeeded in their goal of making class warfare resentment a fundamental part of their appeal and governing philosophy.

But MAGA, with its outrage against "the Establishment" and "elites", has basically bought 100% into class warfare.  And that class warfare often is waged without regard to principles.  So rather than arguing about ideas and core principles, MAGA and Trump have managed to turn much of what was conservatism into just class warfare resentment. They've handed the left their "us v. them" victory, and don't even realize it.

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2024, 03:08:59 am »

LMAO, I used to believe as you did, that the crisis in the last six months of Bush's term was due to him, since it happened on his watch.  But I strongly disagree with that opinion today.

FACT IS, THE MOMENT THE DEMS SELECTED OBAMA AND IDIOT SIDEKICK BIDEN IN JUNE, THE MARKET WENT SOUTH.  EVERYTHING BEGAN FALLING APART AS A NATION.  ABSOLUTELY TRUE.  AND TO TOP IT OFF, IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THOSE TWO EMPTY SUITS WERE ELECTED, THE SH*T HIT THE FAN.

I was on a consulting project at a steel plant in Delaware.  We had promised them $2 million in improvements, and got them $22 million in improvements.  Obama got elected, and by the end of November, the client lost 90% of their business.  They reluctantly reduced the scope from six of us to one, and one month later shut the project down.  That kind of outcome occurred across America and NO ONE said a word, because it would have been considered RACIST.  That POS did untold destruction to this nation, and now he still holds a thumb on the destruction of America through his mindless pawn Wrecking Ball Joe.

Trump is on his best day a huge tool.  He is a liar.  And I would tell him to his face.  He promised to end the H1-b Visa Program DAY ONE of his first term.  Months into it, he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA and INCREASED the numbers of H1-b Visa recipients.  A total betrayal to white collar workers.  He did NOT BUILD THE WALL, a betrayal to blue collar workers.  Of course, the STINKING REPUBLICANS did not support him either.

Something has to change, for our system in Washington is non functional.  Hoping it will change is a waste of time.  REAL CHANGE needs to occur.  We need to return the republic which is gone.  I say by any means necessary.

We no longer have representative government.  Hell, the invading illegal aliens have better representation in our stinking Congress than citizens.  So does Ukraine, our great ally!  BTW, Ukraine has NEVER been an ally of the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Many of these turds supported Hitler and the Nazis.

Trump is an arrogant fool. BUT, and a MAJOR BUT, he did do some good things, and the people benefited from his actions.  I happen to believe the biological weapon unleashed while he was POTUS was released to damage his presidency, and it most surely did.  A total idiot that did not campaign beat him, by any and all means, including OVERTLY CHEATING!  To the winner go the spoils as they say.  Biden's victory is a dark, dark chapter in our history.

We need a real leader in this nation, and neither Trump nor Biden is that man.  The USA is in trouble, and the most serious problems are being ignored.  Plus, Wrecking Ball Joe has set the environment for two wars, and if he gets elected, that picture will not improve, it will worsen.

We got real trouble in river city, and no one to come and fix it, not even Trump!!!!!

I think you are massively underrating the impact of the housing collapse and financial near collapse.  That timing was coincidental with the election, not a product of the election or even the primary.

McCain's biggest failure on the campaign was a failure to exploit the HUGE advantage he had over Obama regarding the origins of the housing crisis.   McCain had, along with others, co-sponsored legislation back in 2004/2005 to reign in Fannie Mae and others because of the economic risk.  It failed to attract the necessary support, including a complete lack of support from then-Senator Obama.  Some outside groups wanted to run ads to push that hard, and it actually might have worked.  But McCain said he didn't want to play the blame game, but instead just "unite to solve the problem."

Either a dumbass, or a sellout.  Or maybe just his ego loving to be portrayed as a non-partisan "maverick".  Because the issue was right there for the taking.

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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2024, 05:33:26 am »
Trump is no Grover Cleveland.
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Re: In 2024, Americans Will Be Voting Like It’s 1892
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2024, 05:39:17 am »
June 1988 - President Cleveland denies widow her husband’s military pension

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cleveland-denies-widow-her-husbands-military-pension
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

-Dwight Eisenhower-


"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."

-Ayn Rand-