BREAKING NEWS Crumbley sentencing: Parents of Michigan school shooter Jennifer and James get 15 year

[DCPatriot]

In both cases the fault is upon the doer. You won't like where it goes otherwise.
I have never been a fan of 'blame the bartender'.
An horrible idea.

IMO, this conviction will never hold up on appeal.  Even "Opie Dilldox" could win on appeal in front of SCOTUS.

[GtHawk]

As soon as the teacher saw that the cops should have been called.

Also why wasn't the kids backpack/locker searched? I would say that odds were pretty good they would have found the gun and then it wouldn't have mattered how busy the parents were and no one would have died that day. Lots of blame to go all around.

[roamer_1]

Also why wasn't the kids backpack/locker searched? I would say that odds were pretty good they would have found the gun and then it wouldn't have mattered how busy the parents were and no one would have died that day. Lots of blame to go all around.

Nah... Even in a prison environment, it's damn hard to police contraband.
The school is liable for not providing a viable defense, but it is impossible to bet any money on prevention.

[roamer_1]

IMO, this conviction will never hold up on appeal.  Even "Opie Dilldox" could win on appeal in front of SCOTUS.

 I would hope that is true.

[libertybele]

Nah... Even in a prison environment, it's damn hard to police contraband.
The school is liable for not providing a viable defense, but it is impossible to bet any money on prevention.

??? Even when I was back in high school, we had surprise locker checks once a month.  So, I too am questioning why his locker wasn't searched? The locker is the property of the school -- it is not the property of the student.

[roamer_1]

??? Even when I was back in high school, we had surprise locker checks once a month.  So, I too am questioning why his locker wasn't searched? The locker is the property of the school -- it is not the property of the student.

I was drunk off my ass through much of my junior and senior year. Many of my friends smoked dope like fiends... none of us ever got caught with contraband. Search my locker all you want.

[Bigun]

They can, nowadays.

Really??? Where? Certainly not in Texas.

[Bigun]

Also why wasn't the kids backpack/locker searched? I would say that odds were pretty good they would have found the gun and then it wouldn't have mattered how busy the parents were and no one would have died that day. Lots of blame to go all around.

For sure the perp would not have still been in school that day!

[roamer_1]

Really??? Where? Certainly not in Texas.

Consent is 15 in most places... Not for statutory, but one minor on another, 15...

[banddag]

??? Even when I was back in high school, we had surprise locker checks once a month.  So, I too am questioning why his locker wasn't searched? The locker is the property of the school -- it is not the property of the student.

In our local schools the kids keep their backpacks with them the entire school day.   They could not function without their phones, gameboys, snacks, makeup etc.  BTW I remember those locker searches back in the 70's.

[bigheadfred]

Consent is 15 in most places... Not for statutory, but one minor on another, 15...

Wrong

[mystery-ak]

@roamer_1  Thought you might like to read this..

ANDY MCCARTHY: It's completely unprecedented ...your heart breaks for the parents of the children who were killed here. But you have to remember that the person who actually did the shooting got treated as an adult and was sentenced to life in prison. So it's not like the system didn't carry out law enforcement against the person who actually did this. It's unprecedented to hold the parents accountable to something that they obviously didn't plan, agree to participate in. I frankly just don't think that this is what the criminal justice system is for. I think the criminal justice system mainly should be reserved for intentional wrongs. And I think it's more troubling here because Michigan actually attempted to or proposed passing child access prevention laws, which would prevent – which would make it a crime for parents to negligently allow their children to have access to firearms. And the legislature wouldn't pass that. So what happened here is the prosecutor made up a crime on the fly that the legislature had not opted to pass.

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It's a Pandora's box. You're extending the criminal law to people who didn't actually commit the crimes.

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Having been a prosecutor for a long time, this is what you have a civil justice system for. I mean, these parents ought to be sued civilly. And it's the reason that you get the kind of judgments that you sometimes see in these tragic cases. But the criminal justice system is not intended to deal with tragedy. What it's intended to deal with is intentional wrongs. And I think if you take the step where you're now going to extend it beyond intentional wrongs, then all bets are off, and you don't know where it goes.

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/unprecedented-ruling-against-crumbleys-opens-up-pandoras-box-criminal-justice-system-andy-mccarthy

[Bigun]

@roamer_1  Thought you might like to read this..

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/unprecedented-ruling-against-crumbleys-opens-up-pandoras-box-criminal-justice-system-andy-mccarthy

Andy is right! The parents should not have been prosecuted for what they were but they damned sure could have, and should have been prosecuted for gross neglect of their child.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1  Thought you might like to read this..

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/unprecedented-ruling-against-crumbleys-opens-up-pandoras-box-criminal-justice-system-andy-mccarthy

That's right @mystery-ak ... Except suing them civilly should be pretty hard to do too, considering they are removed from the crime. Like suing gun makers for what someone dd with their product, laying the responsibility away from the one that did the deed. Soon enough the whole purpose will be about how much money can be had instead of actual justice.  It's plastic-banana feel-good crap. It's a mistake.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly...but they didn't...

How many school officials lost their jobs or were put up on charges?

[Smokin Joe]

Andy is right! The parents should not have been prosecuted for what they were but they damned sure could have, and should have been prosecuted for gross neglect of their child.

But not manslaughter.

[unite for individuality]

ANDY MCCARTHY: It's completely unprecedented ...your heart breaks for the parents of the children who were killed here. But you have to remember that the person who actually did the shooting got treated as an adult and was sentenced to life in prison. So it's not like the system didn't carry out law enforcement against the person who actually did this. It's unprecedented to hold the parents accountable to something that they obviously didn't plan, agree to participate in. I frankly just don't think that this is what the criminal justice system is for. I think the criminal justice system mainly should be reserved for intentional wrongs. And I think it's more troubling here because Michigan actually attempted to or proposed passing child access prevention laws, which would prevent – which would make it a crime for parents to negligently allow their children to have access to firearms. And the legislature wouldn't pass that. So what happened here is the prosecutor made up a crime on the fly that the legislature had not opted to pass.
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It's a Pandora's box. You're extending the criminal law to people who didn't actually commit the crimes.
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Having been a prosecutor for a long time, this is what you have a civil justice system for. I mean, these parents ought to be sued civilly. And it's the reason that you get the kind of judgments that you sometimes see in these tragic cases. But the criminal justice system is not intended to deal with tragedy. What it's intended to deal with is intentional wrongs. And I think if you take the step where you're now going to extend it beyond intentional wrongs, then all bets are off, and you don't know where it goes.

McCarthy's discussion completely ignores the long standing precedent of
"criminal negligence" laws being on the books and enforced.
This clearly is a case of criminal negligence.
It is illegal for a minor to possess a gun without adult supervision.
I think the sentence might be reduced upon appeal,
but it should not be overturned.
The parents' behavior in this case goes beyond negligence.
It is reckless.
And to continue ignoring the school's negligence in this case
is also criminal.