Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours

[roamer_1]

I would include nuclear as well.

I'm alright with nuclear, but won't be a fan until they figure out how to deal properly with the waste. Petro and coal waste is generally compost-able - we just don't do that right. Spent nuke is pure poison for a thousand years.

[Bigun]

I'm alright with nuclear, but won't be a fan until they figure out how to deal properly with the waste. Petro and coal waste is generally compost-able - we just don't do that right. Spent nuke is pure poison for a thousand years.

Breeder reactors are a type of nuclear reactor which produce more fissile materials than they consume.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Breeder_reactor#:~:text=Breeder%20reactors%20are%20a%20type,a%20potential%20renewable%20energy%20source.

[roamer_1]

Breeder reactors are a type of nuclear reactor which produce more fissile materials than they consume.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Breeder_reactor#:~:text=Breeder%20reactors%20are%20a%20type,a%20potential%20renewable%20energy%20source.

I am loosely familiar. it still produces waste that is bound for a salt mine. Too easy to kick that can... but that's disaster waiting to happen generations from now.

They had some bug a while back, some bacteria, that ate nuke waste and made it inert... Guess that didn't work out.... But something like that, and I'll climb onboard. 

[Smokin Joe]

They solar panels for the Chase regional bank in Columbus Ohio (13,000 employees)  covers the parking lot-it supplies 85% of their power and with upgrades they hope to get it to 100%. Home Depot in CA has put solar panels on the roof of their stores.



But the big news is NREL found that the total amount of land needed by 2035 to achieve our clean power goals with wind, solar and long-distance transmission lines (19,700 sq. mi) would be:

equivalent to the land area currently occupied by railroads (18,500 sq. mi)
less than half the area of active oil and gas leases (40,500 sq. mi)
less than one-third of the area currently needed for ethanol production (59,500 sq. mi), and
only slightly more than the historically disturbed land area for coal mining (13,100 sq. mi).

So I should shell out money for subsidies for Chase Manhattan Bank and Home Depot?

Those oil and gas leases can (and do) fuel a country. Your solar arrays won't.
Of the standard 1280 acre lease up here, the eight wells will produce oil beneath that from a 5 acre (or smaller) pad. The rest of the lease is still in cropland, pasture, housing, whatever, even towns. So using the area of those leases inflates the actual surface acreage needed to produce the oil and or gas.

I must also note you left out the area needed to mine the component minerals, construct the panels and supports.

[roamer_1]

I'm not against solar. I am a fan. Distributed solar makes sense to me, with buy-back deals with electric companies, the consumer level cost would be paid for in 10 years or so, and your average suburban or rural home could be nearly self-contained.

That's a big, robust, distributed system, with the lion's share of the energy already at the end-point... so less transmission and transmission loss. Hard to knock down. That's worth looking at.

But I am dead against big solar.

[Wingnut]

This thread has been driven by our new troll so far off the track it needs to be locked.  j/s

[DB]

I'm not against solar. I am a fan. Distributed solar makes sense to me, with buy-back deals with electric companies, the consumer level cost would be paid for in 10 years or so, and your average suburban or rural home could be nearly self-contained.

That's a big, robust, distributed system, with the lion's share of the energy already at the end-point... so less transmission and transmission loss. Hard to knock down. That's worth looking at.

But I am dead against big solar.

Big distributed power generation that isn't directly managed by a power company is a problem and can be unstable. Another problem is generation can change rapidly with clouds/storm moving in. Something has to take up the slack quickly or it fails.

[roamer_1]

Big distributed power generation that isn't directly managed by a power company is a problem and can be unstable. Another problem is generation can change rapidly with clouds/storm moving in. Something has to take up the slack quickly or it fails.

Sure - But I'm talking grid connected. Primary power would come from local solar unless more power is needed and failover to grid.

However, with more and more solar there would come a tipping point where grid power would be hard to maintain - When the solar generated buy-back Exceeds the profitable margin to maintain grid networks.
It has problems.

But it is also kinda handy - grid failure is less troublesome if every house has a battery system to fall back on.
Probably  not enough for continual power without a jenny, but enough to keep the place running a day or two while the lines are getting fixed.

Not perfect, Not without it's problems. But it's worth a look.

[roamer_1]

Same thing with EVs. I am not against EVs per se, Where they work, more power to em. Inner cities can probably use em.

 But just like smart cars (remember that goofy shit?), once you step off from the cities a ways, they're wholly impractical. Hilarious and stupid.

It's shoving them down folks throats that is the problem.
It's pie-in-the-sky bullshit like diesel equipment being replaced that is the problem.
They can't replace a pickup. How the hell are they going to replace a tractor or a skidder or a dozer?

It's purely bullcrap.

The market will decide.
Let it.

[roamer_1]

[mystery-ak]

Has this thread run it's course yet?

[Hoodat]

Well, the Stanford professors are using the word solar for panels that generate electricity at night so I guess I can also.

Had you bothered to actually read the article before posting it, you would have seen that the amount in question was 0.025% of daytime output.  So to match the 15 acres of daytime output at Stihl, one would need over 93 square miles of these "special" panels.

From your article:

There are still a lot of questions to be answered before any commercial application can be rolled out, Geoff Smith, emeritus professor in applied physics at The University of Technology Sydney, wrote in an email response to questions. Smith, who was aware of the research but not involved, has doubts that it ever will be an economically viable source of energy.

"Adding complexity and avenues for degradation to renewable energy systems despite being scientifically interesting rarely makes it in practice," he wrote.

Hey how about rebutting me on the ivermectin/Japan thing.

What kind of rebuttal are you looking for?  Are you disputing that Japan has one of the oldest populations in the world?

[Hoodat]

FACT! It takes 1.4 units of energy to produce 1 unit of energy from corn-based ethanol when ALL inputs are considered.

And that's our ticket to energy independence!  ROFLMAO!!!

And you can't pump it by pipeline either.  Ethanol must be delivered by truck.

[corbe]

Has this thread run it's course yet?

[Hoodat]

Oil and gas companies are making record profits. The greatest in their history.

Well the greatest since Obama, anyway.

[Hoodat]

Show me where biden destroyed the fossil fuel industry and the stock market as the right claimed he would.

Trump says Biden would 'destroy' oil industry

I believe you are confusing 'Trump' with 'the right'.  It's a common mistake among leftists.

[Hoodat]

You want a real explosion? Check into what happened in Halifax, Nova Scotia or Beirut, Lebanon.
Like you said, every industry has its risks.

Don't forget the Texas City explosion in Galveston Bay.

[Hoodat]

Breeder reactors are a type of nuclear reactor which produce more fissile materials than they consume.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Breeder_reactor#:~:text=Breeder%20reactors%20are%20a%20type,a%20potential%20renewable%20energy%20source.

More nukes, less kooks.

[Hoodat]

I'm not against solar. I am a fan. Distributed solar makes sense to me, with buy-back deals with electric companies, the consumer level cost would be paid for in 10 years or so, and your average suburban or rural home could be nearly self-contained.

That's a big, robust, distributed system, with the lion's share of the energy already at the end-point... so less transmission and transmission loss. Hard to knock down. That's worth looking at.

But I am dead against big solar.

Agreed.  The future of solar rests with the homeowner who puts panels on his roof and sells back to the grid.  Fifty million homeowners doing that will generate far more electricity than some large government-subsidized business with the right connections inside Washington.

[Smokin Joe]

Don't forget the Texas City explosion in Galveston Bay.

Thanks. I knew I had missed one.

[DB]

Well, obviously Ford is misinformed about EVs, they are clearly better, simplier and lower cost to manufacture than gas powered vehicles. The fact that they aren't selling is because they aren't doing it right.

Says every socialist...

[banddag]

What kind of rebuttal are you looking for?  Are you disputing that Japan has one of the oldest populations in the world?

I never disputed their old age. Not once. You know that. You read my response. What I did dispute was the  reason you gave for the low covid deaths-ivermectin.

I gave 5-6 scientific reasons why they had low covid deaths but one of the oldest populations and ivermectin was not one of them.

[banddag]

I decided to put banddag on ignore.

As this thread has demonstrated, he has [what was] sinkspur's ability to take over a thread and by doing so pre-occupy and distort the participation of other forum members.

Perhaps he's being paid to do so (as I always suspected that sinkspur was).

Bye, banddag ...

 How will you ever learn and progress by only reading one side?

[DB]

How will you ever learn and progress by only reading one side?

A thing called critical thinking. Knowing more than a shallow understanding of how the world works. There are plenty of people who can find things on the Internet thinking it makes them knowledgeable/smart with absolutely no clue of how to apply it or the basic validity of it.

In short, the internet is filled with click bait to lure people who are gullible about the "next greatest thing" or "inside" information that no one else knows making them special...

[mountaineer]

A thing called critical thinking. Knowing more than a shallow understanding of how the world works.

Doing more than "google, cut, and paste" is essential, too.