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Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Reply #275 on: May 07, 2024, 04:38:03 pm »
Show me where biden destroyed the fossil fuel industry and the stock market as the right claimed he would.



You realize that this is still in progress?  Big difference in "present tense" and "future tense".  Look at every angle of outlawing sales of gas in blue states, to unachievable mileage ratings, to EV mandates, to extrmemely costly abatement technoligies and processes being applied to the regulated community (oil, coal).  If this isn't a damned plan for destruction, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #276 on: May 07, 2024, 04:57:45 pm »
What about Deepwater horizon mess?

Exxon Valdez

The thousands of oil refinery and chemical plant explosions around the world over the years polluting and killing thousands

coal mine collapse around the world killing tens of thousands over the years

Chernobyl

strip mining that forever ruins the upper topsoil


Every industry has issues and nothing is 100% perfect. 

Solar panels are being created that will withstand the worst hail and also panels are in development stage that as soon as hail hits or detected via computer they will move vertically via small motors so the panels will be saved.
Deepwater Horizon: one blowout out of tens of thousands of wells drilled.

Exxon Valdez: One boat wreck, and you missed the Torrey Canyon (another boat wreck).

About as much chance as getting killed by poisoned Tylenol.

What about WWII? If you want to talk about pollution...

As for strip mining, where do you think lithium and rare earth elements come from? Extracting some materials is messy. Without petroleum, have fun making those panels. As for coal mine collapse, that's why strip mining is attractive. Reclamation has progressed, if it is done correctly.

How about the city blocks leveled by...bakery explosions?
The flood of molasses that hit Boston?
You want a real explosion? Check into what happened in Halifax, Nova Scotia or Beirut, Lebanon.
Like you said, every industry has its risks.

Instead of proceeding with industries where we understand the risks, you advocate taking on another set of unknown risks and discarding the body of safety knowledge developed over centuries for a whole new set of problems, some of which we don't even understand yet.

What will be the effect of raising lithium levels in groundwater? from mining? from disposal of batteries, or even 'recycling' operations? Humans with Lithium imbalances are interesting, to say the least.

...are being developed...like the flying car, so many things have gone from 'being developed' to well, 'being developed'. When functioning prototypes are ready to take to market, we'll talk about it.

I don't see you addressing the sheer acreage that will be taken out of agricultural production for placing these panels where they can get sunlight in meaningful quantities (not happening at my latitude, the wind would tear them apart sooner or later, and sunlight angles are too low on the horizon), nor the effects on watersheds and the environment of shading out that land.


As for the appearance of health in the oil industry, everything available to drill that will pay out is being drilled because the rules are changing almost daily with this administration. The anticipated damage almost guaranteed by a second, lame duck Biden Administration will be severe. There are no guarantees that Biden will lose, and it will take time to remove his administrative state and the unconstitutional laws they have decreed.
The major unseen damage is in the lack of new leases being offered for sale and the changes in the leasing process that make it more difficult and expensive to drill in the future. Projects have been stopped in their infancy by this administration, and the future is when this will become apparent, unless the policies are reversed. It can take a decade, from concept to oil in the pipeline (and you have to be able to build the pipeline).  So what looks healthy today will face a full court and hyped up adversarial Administration in the event the steal and/or propaganda prevail, in a lame duck environment. Eight years, if Biden gets back in,  of unsure CAPEX targets means oil companies are looking overseas and elsewhere to make their money, and the bottom line is that the war against domestic energy production continues.


That doesn't make me want to run out and buy an EV that won't work for my needs, it makes me want some intelligent and sensible people in control of policy, and for the rest to quit digging in my pocket for money to boost the industries which would not otherwise present immature technology as a solution, at my hard-earned expense.
Just quit shilling not ready for prime time tech as a plug and play replacement without considering all the ramifications, some of which are not even on the radar.
 
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Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Reply #277 on: May 07, 2024, 04:58:02 pm »
Just a quick note... High inflation increases stock values in terms of dollars. In other words, the less a dollar is worth the more of them it takes to buy something, including stock.

So stocks going up relative to the dollar isn't necessarily the good news you think it is.

Most of  my mutual funds have been earning on average 9--16% per year since 1990's the early 2000's and I am in moderate to low risk mutual funds..  Late last year into this year they earned way above that. One of my wifes MF earned over 30% last year

Way way above  rate of inflation and lowering of the dollar.

My CFP says all his clients are overjoyed.

Yet there are some  rw who just have to beotch about something.  If Biden came out  today and  said he signing a law lowering taxes and govt regulations  some of you would still find something to complain about.

Partisanship has become poisonous in this country.

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« Reply #278 on: May 07, 2024, 05:13:25 pm »



I don't see you addressing the sheer acreage that will be taken out of agricultural production for placing these panels where they can get sunlight in meaningful quantities (not happening at my latitude, the wind would tear them apart sooner or later, and sunlight angles are too low on the horizon), nor the effects on watersheds and the environment of shading out that land.




They solar panels for the Chase regional bank in Columbus Ohio (13,000 employees)  covers the parking lot-it supplies 85% of their power and with upgrades they hope to get it to 100%. Home Depot in CA has put solar panels on the roof of their stores.



But the big news is NREL found that the total amount of land needed by 2035 to achieve our clean power goals with wind, solar and long-distance transmission lines (19,700 sq. mi) would be:

equivalent to the land area currently occupied by railroads (18,500 sq. mi)
less than half the area of active oil and gas leases (40,500 sq. mi)
less than one-third of the area currently needed for ethanol production (59,500 sq. mi), and
only slightly more than the historically disturbed land area for coal mining (13,100 sq. mi).

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« Reply #279 on: May 07, 2024, 05:22:40 pm »
Just a quick note... High inflation increases stock values in terms of dollars. In other words, the less a dollar is worth the more of them it takes to buy something, including stock.

So stocks going up relative to the dollar isn't necessarily the good news you think it is.

The stock market is going to do well for decades ahead  though we may have an occasion severe correction.

1. Companies no longer offer defined benefit pension plans but 401k's

2.  Millennials and down realize SS will not be there for them so they  are investing in the stock market

3. Record amount of private investors now in the market-close to 60%. and that figure grows each year.

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« Reply #280 on: May 07, 2024, 05:26:47 pm »
Most of  my mutual funds have been earning on average 9--16% per year since 1990's the early 2000's and I am in moderate to low risk mutual funds..  Late last year into this year they earned way above that. One of my wifes MF earned over 30% last year

So have mine.  But i am smart enough to diversify.  And my portfolio trends back to the early 1980's.  Funny though, you failed to mention 1987, 2000, 2008, and 2020.  Those were 4 examples of gravity, that our fiscally  ignornant government was able to manuever through with smoke and mirrors.  But I ask you...   You really think one of these upcoming corrections is going to be tenable?

Here is where we stand...

* 40K Dow-  50+% over sold

* $2400/oz Gold-  record, and massively strong KPI that our currency is going through base de-evaluation.

* Debt to GDP ratio of near 150%.  This happened due to World War 2, but the U.S. was blossoming and developing industrial power house.  We recovered.  That industrial base is gone now.  When the debt bubble pops, its going to get ugly.  AND....  do you see any government action right now attempting to reverse this? 

* As the debt sprials further, watch other factions of nations convert to a different currency (i.e BRICS) Then watch us wither into a 3rd world economic power in about the space of 10-12 months




Way way above  rate of inflation and lowering of the dollar.

My CFP says all his clients are overjoyed.

I know as much as my CFP, but he is smart enough to let his clients know that these are perilous times economically.


Yet there are some  rw who just have to beotch about something.  If Biden came out  today and  said he signing a law lowering taxes and govt regulations  some of you would still find something to complain about.

Nothing like throwing a silly non-sequitur to provide cover to our political enemies.

Partisanship has become poisonous in this country.

Hey, you finally got one right.  But realize that poison is at the behest of half our legislators wanting to take us over the cliff at a 100 different angles.
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« Reply #281 on: May 07, 2024, 05:30:19 pm »

3. Record amount of private investors now in the market-close to 60%. and that figure grows each year.

Beware of shoe shine boys and elevator operators giving stock advice......

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« Reply #282 on: May 07, 2024, 05:30:25 pm »
You realize that this is still in progress?  Big difference in "present tense" and "future tense".  Look at every angle of outlawing sales of gas in blue states, to unachievable mileage ratings, to EV mandates, to extrmemely costly abatement technoligies and processes being applied to the regulated community (oil, coal).  If this isn't a damned plan for destruction, I don't know what is.


We'll see if it really happens. Most of these wackio laws never get past the talk about stage. The pendulums always swings back to the center.

Major city uber liberal mayors are cracking down on crime and drugs. Ultra liberal Boston Mayor sent front end loaders to the "methadone Mile and cleared out the drug and homeless camps. Ultra liberal SF mayor is now wanting welfare recipients to be drug tested. Portland  or Seattle is now recriminalizing hard core drugs



There are oil and gas projects (refineries, gas ports, power plants  etc) being built right now to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars all around the country. I'm sure these investors have done  their homework and apparently are not too concerned.

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« Reply #283 on: May 07, 2024, 05:32:36 pm »


DO NOT LET THE FEAR PORN SITES CONTROL YOIUR THINKING.

I was a manager for a large oil company.  I don't think many outsiders are going do any control as far as this matter.
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« Reply #284 on: May 07, 2024, 05:37:20 pm »
Beware of shoe shine boys and elevator operators giving stock advice......

Joe Kennedy, 1928/1929


Not in any way compare to today. back then most of these people had no information to go by. Today there are thousands of Invesment sites that give all the information you need that changes by the minute

Amateur investors are out performing many professional fund managers


https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/diyinvesting/article-12618595/Amateur-investors-outperforming-fund-managers.html
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« Reply #285 on: May 07, 2024, 05:39:17 pm »
I was a manager for a large oil company.  I don't think many outsiders are going do any control as far as this matter.

I worked in the Oil, Gas, and Petrochemical industry for a long time, and I know for sure outsiders aren't going to influence me one bit.
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« Reply #286 on: May 07, 2024, 05:45:20 pm »
Not in any way compare to today. back then most of these people had no information to go by. Today there are thousands of Invesment sites that give all the information you need.

Amateur investors are out performing many professional fund managers


https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/diyinvesting/article-12618595/Amateur-investors-outperforming-fund-managers.html

But, as what I often see day to day,,,,   is that there are smart amateurs and dumb ones. 

I had a guy who used to work for me that sank his company savings in late '90's dot coms.  End result?  He had to work to age 65 to get enough max lump sum pension to retire.

My Networth annual ROI was 27% from my start of investing in 1979 to retirement in 2012. I didn't bat 1.000, but did well enough only for the reason I over-analyzed every transaction, and remained disciplined with goals and results.
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« Reply #287 on: May 07, 2024, 05:45:56 pm »
I worked in the Oil, Gas, and Petrochemical industry for a long time, and I know for sure outsiders aren't going to influence me one bit.

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« Reply #288 on: May 07, 2024, 05:52:00 pm »
As the debt sprials further, watch other factions of nations convert to a different currency (i.e BRICS) Then watch us wither into a 3rd world economic power in about the space of 10-12 months

BRICS? Really?

China is collapsing and going back to an authoritarian police state. The best and brightest are leaving the country in droves as with Western companies.. Would you invest your currency there?

Russia?  Losing population in droves through abortion, war and emigration and also going back to an authoritarian police state.  What world class product or service does Russia make? What computer or hardware system sold throughout the world? What airplane worlds economies buy? What construction equipment world economies buy? What car is produced that the world buys?

India?   Bureaucracy and red tape out the wazoo, corruption out the wazoo that Westerners cannot fathom.. All their best and brightest are moving towards the West.

Brazil? Really??

Why are all the hi tech companies moving to the US?  Record amount of foreign investment in the US in 2023, 5.5 million new business startups in the US 2023, all 10 of the largest private space programs are now in the US ,a significant amount of health care inventions and procedures are growing in the US after a many decade decline.


We have challenges but will overcome our problems.


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« Reply #289 on: May 07, 2024, 06:05:22 pm »
BRICS? Really?



BRICS was just an example.  It could be Gold, Silver, Petrochemical-dollars, whatever. At least something that has tangible value.  Which is why the supposed proposed BRICS would be on not "good faith" /s, but rather on Farm commodites (Russia), Oil (OPEC), Diamond and Gold, (South Africa), and Rare Earth Minerals (China)

You really don't think being the reference currency doesn't come without perks and advantages?  You wrongly ignore the depth and breadth of the debt spiral. You are comparing several countries whose currency, finanacial stability, and status is based on merit.  Versus ours, which is the one that is predicated on the Fed printing more $USD.

I am happy you are bullish on U.S prospects.  Keep up the good work.   :silly:
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« Reply #290 on: May 07, 2024, 06:12:01 pm »


I am happy you are bullish on U.S prospects.  Keep up the good work.   :silly:


I have been reading and hearing about all this doom and gloom for 35 years. I remember fear porn articles/pundits  saying it would take the stock market 20 years to recover from 2008 and it was around 2-3 years.

If you think our economy is going to collapse why are you still  in the market? Even your inner common sense knows you are full of crap. lol
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« Reply #291 on: May 07, 2024, 06:16:46 pm »



If you think our economy is going to collapse why are you still  in the market? Even your inner common sense knows you are full of crap. lol

Don't worry, between farmland, and many other various investment types, I've hedged (stacked the deck) where I can't lose. Or at least lose mininmally versus the general population

And I know the market won't go to zero.  When the crash happens, I will massively invest.
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« Reply #292 on: May 07, 2024, 07:14:46 pm »
We will probably see our standard living decline further through inflation versus an outright crash.

If things were going great as we are told they are, Biden would have a +50% job approval rating.

Why are his ratings low? Because people are experiencing reality vs rhetoric. They’re not seeing all this good news in their real life. Telling them that they’re not experiencing what they’re experiencing isn’t going to sell


On the other hand, I’ve been hearing how the dollar is going to be replaced for going on 30 years. But there’s nothing to replace it with.  Regardless who is in the White House at any given time, America has  the largest  economy in terms of GDP. I remember hearing in the 80s how Japan is going to take over us. How’d that work out?


It’s not that things are going great. It’s just we’re the tallest midget in the room
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« Reply #293 on: May 07, 2024, 09:49:39 pm »
Take the hobbles off the oil, coal, and natural Gas industries, and we'll have plenty of energy, without pissing taxpayer dollars down Solyndra ratholes.

THAT's the money shot, right there.

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« Reply #294 on: May 07, 2024, 09:50:05 pm »
We will probably see our standard living decline further through inflation versus an outright crash.

If things were going great as we are told they are, Biden would have a +50% job approval rating.

Why are his ratings low? Because people are experiencing reality vs rhetoric. They’re not seeing all this good news in their real life. Telling them that they’re not experiencing what they’re experiencing isn’t going to sell


On the other hand, I’ve been hearing how the dollar is going to be replaced for going on 30 years. But there’s nothing to replace it with.  Regardless who is in the White House at any given time, America has  the largest  economy in terms of GDP. I remember hearing in the 80s how Japan is going to take over us. How’d that work out?


It’s not that things are going great. It’s just we’re the tallest midget in the room

We've survived thus far because the rest of the world has been equally foolish... It's been a race to the bottom...

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« Reply #295 on: May 07, 2024, 10:01:02 pm »

I said it is in the early development phase. No one is installing them yet. Nearly every new invention or progress starts with very small steps.

As an inventor and fabricator, I can tell you what you left out, which is the important part: The cast off pile during development is always 10x the size of the finished product... and the shit pile behind that is 100 times larger, filled with ideas that didn't pan out.

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« Reply #296 on: May 07, 2024, 10:03:57 pm »
THAT's the money shot, right there.

I would include nuclear as well.
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« Reply #297 on: May 07, 2024, 10:07:39 pm »
Just a quick note... High inflation increases stock values in terms of dollars. In other words, the less a dollar is worth the more of them it takes to buy something, including stock.

So stocks going up relative to the dollar isn't necessarily the good news you think it is.

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« Reply #298 on: May 07, 2024, 10:14:51 pm »
I decided to put banddag on ignore.

As this thread has demonstrated, he has [what was] sinkspur's ability to take over a thread and by doing so pre-occupy and distort the participation of other forum members.

Perhaps he's being paid to do so (as I always suspected that sinkspur was).

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« Reply #299 on: May 07, 2024, 10:19:16 pm »
We will probably see our standard living decline further through inflation versus an outright crash.

I'd rather have a proper crash, as bad as that sounds... It's better than Venezuela... which is where we're going otherwise.