Gaza: Truths Behind All the Lies.. By Victor Davis Hanson

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Gaza: Truths Behind All the Lies › American Greatness
Victor Davis Hanson


“Occupied Gaza.” Prior to October 7, there were roughly two million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in Gaza. Gazans in 2006 voted in Hamas to rule them. It summarily executed its Palestinian Authority rivals. Hamas cancelled all future scheduled elections. It established a dictatorship and diverted hundreds of billions of dollars in international aid to build a vast underground labyrinth of military installations.

So Gaza has been occupied by Hamas, not Israel, for two decades.

“Collateral Damage.” Hamas began the war by deliberately targeting civilians. It massacred them on October 7 when it invaded Israel during a time of peace and holidays. It sent more than 7,000 rockets into Israeli cities for the sole purpose of killing noncombatants. It has no vocabulary for the collateral damage of Israeli civilians, since it believes any Jewish death under any circumstances is cause for celebration.

Hamas places its terrorist centers beneath and inside hospitals, schools, and mosques. Why? Israel is assumed to have more reservations about collaterally hitting Gaza civilians than Hamas does exposing them as human shields.

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[catfish1957]

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[Right_in_Virginia]

Occupied Gaza.” Prior to October 7, there were roughly two million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in Gaza.

This is a blatant, profound lie and beneath the reputation of Victor Davis Hanson.

[240B]

This is a blatant, profound lie and beneath the reputation of Victor Davis Hanson.

Ok? So show your data which proves him wrong. Also, there are many Arabs in the Israeli parliament.

[PeteS in CA]

“Disproportionate.” We are told Israel wrongly uses disproportionate force to retaliate in Gaza. But it does so because no nation can win a war without disproportionate violence that hurts the enemy more than it is hurt by the enemy.

Consider how WW1 turned out for Germany and how WW2 turned out for Germany and Japan.

“Two-state solution.” Prior to October 7, there was a de facto three-state solution, given that Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza were all separate states ruled by their own governments, two of which were illegitimate without scheduled elections.

It was not Israel, but the people of Gaza and the West Bank who institutionalized the “from river to the sea” agenda of destroying its neighbor.

The "Two-state solution" of Foggy Bottom's bong-fantasies cannot happen as long as the Arab Palis refuse to accept Israel's right to exist, with no attacks.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ok? So show your data which proves him wrong. Also, there are many Arabs in the Israeli parliament.

If the Palestinians living in Gaza are "Israeli" as you claim,  this is certification that Israel is, indeed, an apartheid state.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Consider how WW1 turned out for Germany and how WW2 turned out for Germany and Japan.

This is not WW2.

[Wingnut]

This is not WW2.

Not for Hamas not trying....

[PeteS in CA]

This is not WW2.

Try reading my post and understanding it.

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“Ramadan.” Joe Biden believes that the Muslim religious holiday of Ramadan requires Israel to agree to a ceasefire.

But did either Hamas or any other Arab military ever respect Jewish—or even its own—religious holidays?

The October 7 massacre was timed to catch Israelis unaware while celebrating the Jewish religious holidays of Simchat Torah, Shemini Torah, and Shemini Atzeret on Shabbat.

Moreover, Hamas’s surprise attack was deliberately timed to commemorate the earlier sneak Arab attack on Israel some 50 years earlier.

On October 6, 1973, the Israelis were the target of a surprise attack when celebrating the religious holiday of Yom Kippur. ...

Give Ramadan the same "respect" the Arab Palis gave Jewish holidays ... you know, proportionality.

[Hoodat]

If the Palestinians living in Gaza are "Israeli" as you claim,  this is certification that Israel is, indeed, an apartheid state.

Of the two+ million Palestinians living in Israel (that's 'Israel' - not Gaza), 1,734,000 are Israeli citizens.  370,000 are not Israeli citizens.

Apartheid state?  Hardly.

[Hoodat]

Try reading my post and understanding it.

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“Ramadan.” Joe Biden believes that the Muslim religious holiday of Ramadan requires Israel to agree to a ceasefire.

Give Ramadan the same "respect" the Arab Palis gave Jewish holidays ... you know, proportionality.

Let the record show that Hamas attacked Israel during the Ten Days of Repenance leading up to Yom Kippur - the highest holy day in Judaism.  There is no equivalent in islam.

[240B]

If the Palestinians living in Gaza are "Israeli" as you claim,  this is certification that Israel is, indeed, an apartheid state.

Israel has tried for decades to integrate Israelis and Muslims. Each attempt was followed immediately by a horrendous bloody attack by the Islamists. Finally, after hundreds of dead Israelis (including children), Israel realized that 'peace' with the Arabs is impossible.

You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Try reading my post and understanding it.

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If I missed your point, this  isn't helping.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Israel has tried for decades to integrate Israelis and Muslims.

 Israel has spent 57 years keeping Palestinians who lost their homes and land in 1967 confined to land outside the '67 borders of Israel ----  and in 2018 finally passed the Jewish nation-state law.

The law for the first time enshrines Israel as “the national home of the Jewish people.” The law becomes one of the so-called Basic Laws, which, like a constitution, guide Israel’s legal system.

1. — Basic principles

A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established.

B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious and historical right to self-determination.

C.  The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Of the two+ million Palestinians living in Israel (that's 'Israel' - not Gaza), 1,734,000 are Israeli citizens.  370,000 are not Israeli citizens.

Apartheid state?  Hardly.

If the Palestinians living in Gaza are "Israeli" citizens as claimed,  this is certification that Israel is an apartheid state.

[240B]

 Israel has spent 57 years keeping Palestinians who lost their homes and land in 1967 confined to land outside the '67 borders of Israel ----  and in 2018 finally passed the Jewish nation-state law.

You are historically and factually incorrect. Israel envisioned a one-Israel solution with Israelis and Muslims living and working side-by. It is the Muslims who will NOT accept the integration.

If it is apartheid as you claim, then it is a self-imposed apartheid by the Arabs themselves. From the River to the Sea is not a compassionate neighborly slogan. It is a slogan for genocide and massacers.

The Arabs want only Arabs to live in Israel. If they had the ability, the Arabs would have no interest in 'apartheid' with Jews. Arabs say openly and clearly that their goal is to murder every Jew in Israel.

Your fanatical anti-Israel gaslighting is as amusing as it is fallacious. Israel is only a first-step in a global purge of Jews and all thing Jewish as well as Christians and everyone they consider to be Infidels. These are not MY words and thoughts. The Arabs say this themselves, openly and proudly.

To try to present to this board that it is Israel who will not accept 'peace', means that you are ignorant of even basic Israeli history, or that you are an avid supporter of the murderous bloodthirsty Islamic savages, and you support their goal of Jewish genocide across the globe.

[Hoodat]

If the Palestinians living in Gaza are "Israeli" citizens as claimed,  this is certification that Israel is an apartheid state.

No one claimed that.  You made it up.

(See Logical fallacies:  Strawman argument)

Again, there are 1.734 million Israeli citizens of non-Israeli (i.e. Palestinian) descent living in Israel that do not live in Gaza.

[Hoodat]

Israel has spent 57 years keeping Palestinians who lost their homes and land in 1967

OK, stop right there.  Before the '67 war, the West Bank was part of Jordan, and Gaza was occupied by Egypt.

[berdie]

OK, stop right there.  Before the '67 war, the West Bank was part of Jordan, and Gaza was occupied by Egypt.

And those are facts that I thank you for posting.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You are historically and factually incorrect. Israel envisioned a one-Israel solution with Israelis and Muslims living and working side-by.

In the beginning, yes.  But, not after the 57 year old Six Day War. Since then, Israel has wrestled with keeping the land won in 1967 without diminishing the majority of Jewish rule and influence while avoiding charges of apartheid and/or ethnic cleansing.  This is impossible to do and why David Ben Gurion wanted Israel to keep the Golan Heights and return the rest of land.  He believed Israel would never know peace, security or international acceptance unless they did.

Since its founding, Israel has struggled with its self-identification as both a Western-style democracy that affords equal rights to all citizens regardless of race or religion and a country envisioned as a refuge for Jews.  But, that struggle ended in 2018 with the passage of the Nation State Law codified as a Basic Law:  "The right to exercise national self-determination is unique to the Jewish people.”. Muslims, Christians, Druze are second class citizens, and the extent can be defined as circumstances dictate.

This is not the Israel of 1948.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If the Palestinians living in Gaza are "Israeli" citizens as claimed,  this is certification that Israel is an apartheid state.

No one claimed that.  You made it up.

Victor Davis Hanson claimed this in the very essay posted by the OP: 

"Occupied Gaza.” Prior to October 7, there were roughly two million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in Gaza.

[Hoodat]

Victor Davis Hanson claimed this in the very essay posted by the OP: 

"Occupied Gaza.” Prior to October 7, there were roughly two million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in Gaza.

"Arab citizens".  You said "Israeli" citizens.  You gave a false account of what Hanson said.

[Right_in_Virginia]

"Arab citizens".  You said "Israeli" citizens.  You gave a false account of what Hanson said.

Hanson said "Arab citizens OF ISRAEL".

[Fishrrman]

240b wrote:
"Israel is only a first-step in a global purge of Jews and all thing Jewish as well as Christians and everyone they consider to be Infidels. These are not MY words and thoughts. The Arabs say this themselves, openly and proudly."

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