Donald Trump says Israel made ‘big mistake’ in war against Hamas

[roamer_1]

I guess you missed the Oct 7th attack on Israel that took the overrated Israeli spy agencies by complete surprise.   

Nope. And it ain't something to poke fun over.

[240B]

I guess you missed the Oct 7th attack on Israel that took the overrated Israeli spy agencies by complete surprise.   

I believe the Oct 7 attack was opportunistic. That is to say, that Israel throwing a festival basically 'next door' to Gaza with no security was too much temptation for them to resist. No doubt Gaza could hear the music and the festivities. They could probably smell the food. And Hamas considered this to be an 'in your face' insult.

They were taken by surprise because nobody, not even Hamas, knew it was going happen until it did. Just my opinion.

[GtHawk]

Nope. And it ain't something to poke fun over.

It's crap like that why I put her on ignore, thinks it's clever but just nasty. Unfortunately ignore doesn't block if someone responds to the person.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nope. And it ain't something to poke fun over.

I'm not poking fuñ at the Israeli security failures @roamer_1     I'm poking fun at your intractable belief that Mossad, Shin Bet, the IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu are infallible.



Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

Israel had detailed Hamas attack plans a year ago, dismissed them - NYT
The document outlined "a methodical assault" in which drones would attack Israel's surveillance system as terrorists entered the country using paragliders and motorcycles under the cover of rockets.
Jerusalem Post, Dec 1, 2023

A bombshell report by the New York Times claims that Israeli officials had a detailed, approximately 40-page document outlining "point by point" the plans for a Hamas attack on Israeli soil, but dismissed the plan as aspirational and beyond the group's capacities.

The document, which authorities codenamed "Jericho Wall," is reported to have outlined "a methodical assault" in which drones would attack Israel's surveillance system as terrorists entered the country on foot and using paragliders and motorcycles under the cover of a barrage of rockets.

The document is also said to have included the locations and sizes of IDF forces in the area, and specifically stated as an objective to overwhelm the military base in Re'im, the site of the nature party on October 7 that was targeted early in the attack. At the top of the document was a quotation from the Qur'an: "Surprise them through the gate. If you do, you will certainly prevail."

The plans "circulated widely among Israeli military and intelligence leaders," the report says. The IDF's Gaza division wrote an assessment of it, reporting plans for "a new raid, unprecedented in its scope," but concluding that the plans were a "compass," detailing Hamas's ambitions for the future, rather than an immediate plan of action.

Then, in July 2023, the IDF's signal intelligence division, Unit 8200, reported that Hamas had been spotted conducting training exercises that mirrored the blueprint in "Jericho Wall," including exercises to simulate shooting down Israeli airplanes, occupying a kibbutz, and overrunning a military base.

During the exercise, Hamas terrorists used the same quotation from the Quran that appeared at the top of the "Jericho Wall" document. The Unit 8200 analyst who wrote the report warned that Hamas was building the capacity to put the plan into action, and that the exercises Hamas was engaged in closely reflected what was outlined in the document.

The colonel who received the report apparently called the exercise "totally imaginative," saying, "in short, let's wait patiently." 

An internal debate followed, with others endorsing the analyst's warning. One even invoked the example of the Yom Kippur War, writing "We already underwent a similar experience 50 years ago on the southern front in connection with a scenario that seemed imaginary, and history may repeat itself if we are not careful."

"Jericho Wall" was not the first intelligence that had prompted such a debate, the Times reports. In September 2016, the Ministry of Defense prepared a top-secret memo, signed by then-defense minister Avigdor Lieberman, warning of an invasion and hostage-taking operation by Hamas.

The memo outlined Hamas's purchases of drones, GPS jammers, and other sophisticated weaponry. It also reported that Hamas had swelled its fighting force by 6,000 men in two years, and aimed to grow it from 27,000 to 40,000 by 2020.


https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-776012

[roamer_1]

I'm not poking fuñ at the Israeli security failures @roamer_1     I'm poking fun at your intractable belief that Mossad, Shin Bet, the IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu are infallible.

I said none of the above.
So much for those Abraham Accords, btw...

 

[240B]

Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

Israel correctly dismissed it as aspirational because the plan was for Hamas to conquer, fortify, and to hold territory while encroaching North to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. The original plan was absurd and ridiculous. It was a plan to take and hold the entire Southern region of Israel. There was no way it would ever happen.

Then the musical festival with thousands of unarmed young Israelis suddenly 'popped-up' right next door to them. This was a surprise gift to Hamas and caused them to attack immediately. This is where most of the rape, murder, and abductions occurred.

Without the music festival Hamas opportunity, the so called 'planned invasion' would likely have NEVER happened. If Israel had provided a company of armed soldiers around the festival, the attack would likely have never happened.

It was simply an attack of opportunity that Hamas could not resist. Yes. Hama had big plans to conquer all of Israel which Israel knew about. But they were mostly just dreams and wishful thinking. Since there was no specific date for the attempted implementation of the invasion, it was an open ended plan which could occur at any time, or more realistically that would never actually develop.

[berdie]

Israel correctly dismissed it as aspirational because the plan was for Hamas to conquer, fortify, and to hold territory while encroaching North to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. The original plan was absurd and ridiculous. It was a plan to take and hold the entire Southern region of Israel. There was no way it would ever happen.

Then the musical festival with thousands of unarmed young Israelis suddenly 'popped-up' right next door to them. This was a surprise gift to Hamas and caused them to attack immediately. This is where most of the rape, murder, and abductions occurred.

Without the music festival Hamas opportunity, the so called 'planned invasion' would likely have NEVER happened. If Israel had provided a company of armed soldiers around the festival, the attack would likely have never happened.

It was simply an attack of opportunity that Hamas could not resist. Yes. Hama had big plans to conquer all of Israel which Israel knew about. But they were mostly just dreams and wishful thinking. Since there was no specific date for the attempted implementation of the invasion, it was an open ended plan which could occur at any time, or more realistically that would never actually develop.

I think you are most probably on the mark.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Trump is really starting to worry me, he wants Ukraine to just let Russia have what they want to end the war, he thinks Israel should have just taken it up the AZZ and not gone after the Hamas murdering psychopaths...........so if America is attacked, what is Trump willing to give the attackers to appease them?

I don't want America in wars, especially endless religious wars, but Trump is really undercutting(in my eyes) his strongman don't screw with me and the US and replacing it with hey lets make a deal, what'll it take to just make you go away....it's not a good look!

 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I'm a little confused by what he said.   First it was "don't do it". Don't do what? Don't retaliate? Don't bomb? Don't anger countries that don't really support Israel anyway? Then he does an about face and says "finish your war". Someone needs to remind Trump Americans were killed Oct 7th and others taken hostage.

I agree that he wasn't clear -- it's classic Trump.  Undisciplined and rambling so that each of his supporters is free to interpret it in whatever way most appeals to them.  Like when half of them hear his calls for retribution and say "well, he doesn't really mean putting people on trial for treason and hanging people", while the other half says "yes, Trump is right, we need to execute all those traitors, and this is why we love Trump!"

That's the trick of his "braggadocio".   His fans take him seriously if they agree, or dismiss it as just talk if they don't.  I'm personally tired of having to run everything he says through some weirdo Trump translator to figure out what he means, what's serious, and what isn't.

[roamer_1]

That's the trick of his "braggadocio".   His fans take him seriously if they agree, or dismiss it as just talk if they don't.  I'm personally tired of having to run everything he says through some weirdo Trump translator to figure out what he means, what's serious, and what isn't.

Brilliantly stated. That's right.

[NavyCanDo]

I'm wondering how different Trump would have handled what happened Oct 7th than the way Biden did. Would there be enough difference to even notice?   

[Right_in_Virginia]

So much for those Abraham Accords, btw...

Those signed under Trump are fine. It's going to take his return to move forward with the SA/Israel expansion.  Trump is the bridge.

[roamer_1]

Those signed under Trump are fine. It's going to take his return to move forward with the SA/Israel expansion.  Trump is the bridge.

Not anymore...

[jafo2010]

Trump's words were bordering on moronic.  He did not make himself clear at all.

Bottomline, I believe in Admiral Halsey's mindset regarding an enemy.  When the civilian population supports the military as they do in Japan, the only good Jap civilian is one that has been dead for six months or more.  That sentiment applies ten fold more to a genocidal maniacal people like Palestine.  Israel should kill them in mass until they permanently surrender and give up all their weapons.  Killing every last Palestinian in Gaza is well within Israel's right as a nation defending itself.  This nonsense of the murderous muslims of Palestine is getting old.

And I agree with others above about Trump.  If I vote for him, it will be with bitter resentment.  He betrayed me and 1.6 million white collar Americans when after promising DAY ONE to end the H1-b Visa Program, he met with the tech billion oligarchs, and he increased the numbers of folks coming largely from India displacing Americans in high paid white collar jobs.  His other big promise, the wall, he failed there too!

With 340 million people in the USA, the best we can chose from are thieves like Biden and Trump. 

In my work, I came across a fellow that worked for a HVAC company up in New Jersey.  His company replaced a HVAC system at one of Trump's casinos, and Trump stiffed the firm on a multi million dollar HVAC system.  He refused to pay, and it almost put the company out of business.  The fellow telling me this was a conservative too, and he despises Trump for being the outright thief he claimed him to be.

Back to Israel, if they used nukes to end Gaza, they are well within their rights.  After all, when Iran finally does get nukes, how long before they use them on Israel?  I say within two years.  Once they launch their nukes, Israel will launch their's in response.  It is inevitable.