MAGA - What Exactly Does That Mean ?

[HikerGuy83]

Spare me the "Make America Great Again" answers......please. 

I generally ask that question of people who use general statements when talking about societal goals.

For instance, I was at a school function when a lawmaker said "We want every child to get a good education".  So I raised my hand and asked....

1.  Can you define a "good education" for me.
2.  Who decided that (assuming you can define it, which is generally a bad assumption) what a good education is ?
3.  How will you know you've accomplished this goal ?  What metrics are you using ?
4.  What if a child does not want to be "educated" or refuses to cooperate ?

So when someone says "Let's make America great again." I sometimes ask....

1.  When was it great before (can you give me dates) ?
2.  What made it great ?
3.  Who decided that ?  Is it generally accepted ?
4.  How will you know when it is great again ?  How will you know you accomplished what you set out to do ?

For me, America is a wonderful country.  I can't imagine NOT having the liberties we have now. 

So, I would be curious to hear specifics from anyone who might care to share them with me.  BTW: If you hold up something and say "that's what makes us great", like our military spending....I am going to ask.....How is that a metric ? 

Looking forward to some well thought out responses.

[DCPatriot]

Suppose it's like pornography:  You know it when you see it.

And we're not seeing it today.

[LMAO]

Spare me the "Make America Great Again" answers......please. 

I generally ask that question of people who use general statements when talking about societal goals.

For instance, I was at a school function when a lawmaker said "We want every child to get a good education".  So I raised my hand and asked....

1.  Can you define a "good education" for me.
2.  Who decided that (assuming you can define it, which is generally a bad assumption) what a good education is ?
3.  How will you know you've accomplished this goal ?  What metrics are you using ?
4.  What if a child does not want to be "educated" or refuses to cooperate ?

So when someone says "Let's make America great again." I sometimes ask....

1.  When was it great before (can you give me dates) ?
2.  What made it great ?
3.  Who decided that ?  Is it generally accepted ?
4.  How will you know when it is great again ?  How will you know you accomplished what you set out to do ?

For me, America is a wonderful country.  I can't imagine NOT having the liberties we have now. 

So, I would be curious to hear specifics from anyone who might care to share them with me.  BTW: If you hold up something and say "that's what makes us great", like our military spending....I am going to ask.....How is that a metric ? 

Looking forward to some well thought out responses.

To me, what makes America great is its citizens. I personally believe that Americans don’t hate each other as much as the media and some in the elected class want us to believe. We have seen many instances when the American people see their fellow citizens in trouble or in need of assistance, they open their checkbooks and send money. We saw an example of this after 9/11.

I don’t know if there’s a metric for that. But that’s what I think makes America great.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do new threads no longer require a link to a source in the Politics/Government Forum @Cyber Liberty

If not, please move this to the correct forum.

Thanks.

[Hoodat]

Here ya go - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528003.msg2993100.html#msg2993100

[bigheadfred]

Here ya go - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528003.msg2993100.html#msg2993100

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Here ya go - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528003.msg2993100.html#msg2993100

Actually, this is quite clever, especially from you.  Well done.

[roamer_1]

When you want a real answer founded in Reagan - The REAL 'Make America Great Again' president, call me back.

It sure as hell ain't what y'all are buying into now.

[Hoodat]

Actually, this is quite clever, especially from you.  Well done.

So what are the rules?  I was thinking Editorials, but you may have a valid point here, @Right_in_Virginia .   Is this category for media stories only?

[libertybele]

So what are the rules?  I was thinking Editorials, but you may have a valid point here, @Right_in_Virginia .   Is this category for media stories only?

? I'm thinking 'Editorials' as well @Hoodat @Right_in_Virginia  perhaps 'General Discussion'.

[MOD4]

Original content goes here.

[Right_in_Virginia]

? I'm thinking 'Editorials' as well @Hoodat @Right_in_Virginia  perhaps 'General Discussion'.

General Discussion might be best..... Editorial/Original Content is another option ---- but this forum has few visitors.

[Hoodat]

? I'm thinking 'Editorials' as well @Hoodat @Right_in_Virginia  perhaps 'General Discussion'.

Looks like that question got answered.

[libertybele]

MAGA to me is the voice of the people who want to take their country back; back away from the federal government and powers returned to the states. The people are supposed to be the government.  After all this is supposed to be a government of the people by the people.

Trump represents MAGA -- he is their voice, not the other way around as some are disillusioned.

Yes America is great, but for how long?  MAGA -- In the essence that our freedoms known as the Bill of Rights are under attack, being trampled on and we have an invasion at our borders; by land and sea.  If these freedoms continue to be under attack by our government on both sides of the aisle we are not going to have a country/Republic left.

Therefore;

I Believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies.

[HikerGuy83]

Original content goes here.

Thanks.

I figured you'd get it where it needed to be.

[HikerGuy83]

MAGA to me is the voice of the people who want to take their country back;

That's a nice thought. 

But it does nothing to answer my questions. 

Right now MAGA is simply a sales pitch, nothing more.

I voted for Trump twice, in spite of the fact that I don't really like him as a person.

But, we are living in a world of these silly sales pitches and the intellectually lazy of this country are being suckered in all over the place.

Just like BBS (Bidens Bull S***), Build Back Better.  What a crock and a worse crock as it has centralized government written all over it.

Hopefully someone can answer my questions.

[HikerGuy83]

Trump represents MAGA -- he is their voice, not the other way around as some are disillusioned.

What does Trump represent ?  That is what I am asking.

MAGA somehow implies America is not great now.  It has "fallen". 

Are we creating a Chimera so somone can be Bellerophon ? 

It's an honest question.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, as to the education question:

When the guy dumping the boot actually can read the directions on the heel, in English, and understand them, we'll be making progress.

[libertybele]

That's a nice thought. 

But it does nothing to answer my questions. 

Right now MAGA is simply a sales pitch, nothing more.

I voted for Trump twice, in spite of the fact that I don't really like him as a person.

But, we are living in a world of these silly sales pitches and the intellectually lazy of this country are being suckered in all over the place.

Just like BBS (Bidens Bull S***), Build Back Better.  What a crock and a worse crock as it has centralized government written all over it.

Hopefully someone can answer my questions.

@HikerGuy83  Sales pitch?  No.  It isn't a sales pitch.  Taking our Republic back to me and others is critical. She is hanging by a very, very thin string.

MAGA is a slogan -- I tried to convey to you what it means to me.  I was pretty specific. Perhaps you didn't understand my point.

However, if you are calling my beliefs a crock - because you feel I am giving you some kind of sales pitch, then a) you don't know me very well and b) this conversation is over.

[HikerGuy83]

To me, what makes America great is its citizens. I personally believe that Americans don’t hate each other as much as the media and some in the elected class want us to believe. We have seen many instances when the American people see their fellow citizens in trouble or in need of assistance, they open their checkbooks and send money. We saw an example of this after 9/11.

I don’t know if there’s a metric for that. But that’s what I think makes America great.

I would suspect then, that you don't really buy into the whole MAGA concept ?

You think we are there.

I would not argue one way or the other.  I am just asking if that is the case. 

I love the United States of America.  I love our freedoms. 

MAGA might mean kicking all of congess out and starting all over again.....say with depression era grandmothers if you can find them.  People who know how to love what they have and don't get caught up in advertising or wokeism.

[HikerGuy83]

Actually, this is quite clever, especially from you.  Well done.

Thanks.

I'll ignore the insult.

[HikerGuy83]

@HikerGuy83  Sales pitch?  No.  It isn't a sales pitch.  Taking our Republic back to me and others is critical. She is hanging by a very, very thin string.

MAGA is a slogan -- I tried to convey to you what it means to me.  I was pretty specific. Perhaps you didn't understand my point.

However, if you are calling my beliefs a crock - because you feel I am giving you some kind of sales pitch, then a) you don't know me very well and b) this conversation is over.

Your beliefs are your beliefs and your opinions are your opinions.  You are welcomed to them all day long and I certainly won't argue with them. 

However, I am entitled to mine too.

And I don't see anyone saying stuff like....

Well, our school systems were #this, but now they are #that.....

Or, our standard of living (however that is measured) has fallen.

Or, our crime rates (as a nation) are terrible (of course, you'd have to tell me what an acceptible crime rate is)....

But something tangible.

So, to me (in my opinion) it's a sales pitch.

[HikerGuy83]

Back to basic folks.....

MAGA = Make America Great Again

Implies

1. America was once great.
2. America is no longer great.
3. America must be "MADE" great again.

Pretty simple stuff.

I just think the term has been co-opted. 

Just like Bush 1 labeled Dukakis a "liberal" and thus ruined the term liberal for everyone. 

Liberals are not left-wingers. 

I love liberal thinkers. 

Left wingers can suck it.

[Hoodat]

I just think the term has been co-opted. 

Just like Bush 1 labeled Dukakis a "liberal" and thus ruined the term liberal for everyone. 

Just like the Klan co-opted the Confederate battle flag.

[roamer_1]

Just like BBS (Bidens Bull S***), Build Back Better.  What a crock and a worse crock as it has centralized government written all over it.

That ain't Biden. Well, it is (also stolen slogan)... That springs from the lips of Davos.