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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2024, 02:57:15 pm »
By enumeration and by design this becomes amnesty.  This is one of the most disturbing pending legislative disasters I've seen since Obamacare.

That is hysterical.

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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2024, 03:01:52 pm »
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ROFLMAO!

WHEN was the last time the government actually shrank a dollar number that buys votes?

You'll shrink it when you elect enough good people who will do it.  Right now the GOP can't get Mother Teresa elected. 

Great job with no bill.  They just keep pouring in.

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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2024, 03:03:31 pm »
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And you SERIOUSLY think we will get less by allowing 5,000 in each week?

Do you REALLY think those we let in and provide with EVERYTHING they need,won't be writing back home and telling their whole damn village to "move north,where the living is easy?"

NEVER in all of recorded history to you get less of ANYTHING by allowing something to happen.


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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2024, 03:06:19 pm »
Is anyone going to even try to attempt to explain or defend how McConnell and Co. entered into this bipartisan negotiation, praised it, then took a dump on it ?  That is what this thread was abaout.

It's clear most here have no idea what is in the bill....so I am done discussing that.  The theoretical, boogey man BS is just as plentiful as ever. 

But the GOP just shot itself in the foot again and handed Biden yet another club to bludgeon us with in the election.  l

Can you explain that. 

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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2024, 03:07:58 pm »
I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2024, 03:09:23 pm »
You really believe that?  The 5K number incentivizes fudging the numbers (like with Unemployment) to ensure the official number never goes over 5K.

The current tolerance (according to law) is Zero.  Any number above that expressly confirms Illegals are dandy.

You are naive to believe a promise like that.

That 5,000 is talking about asylum seekers. 

It does nothing to the zero tolerance for those illegally crossing except it ends catch and release.

Congratulations.

100% of nothing.  Kinda like breathing underwater.

Done talking with people about what MIGHT happen.

If you want to wallow in your paranoia, go ahead.

Illegals continue to pour into the country and catch and release is still the name of the game.

If you are hoping for some kind of European revolution, good luck.

Meanwhile, the GOP looks stupid, because they act stupid.

Someone like Gallego is going to leverage this disaster to the fullest.  Say Senator Lake now, because in 9 months, she becomes Loser Lake, again.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2024, 04:06:34 pm »
That 5,000 is talking about asylum seekers. 

It does nothing to the zero tolerance for those illegally crossing except it ends catch and release.

Congratulations.

100% of nothing.  Kinda like breathing underwater.

Done talking with people about what MIGHT happen.

If you want to wallow in your paranoia, go ahead.

Illegals continue to pour into the country and catch and release is still the name of the game.

If you are hoping for some kind of European revolution, good luck.

Meanwhile, the GOP looks stupid, because they act stupid.

Someone like Gallego is going to leverage this disaster to the fullest.  Say Senator Lake now, because in 9 months, she becomes Loser Lake, again.

??? IF you honestly believe that all of a sudden they are going to stop catch and release, you are absolutely delusional.  What are they going to do with the ILLEGALS?  Have Mexico hold them? Have Mexico stop them at their borders??  Put them in our jails and have the taxpayers support them?  Give them a court date and expect them to appear?  All of a sudden the DEM sheriffs, border patrol, etc., are going to comply?  They aren't following the immigration laws on the books now. 

They need to be stopped at the border and not allowed to enter period.  They are being allowed in for a reason; votes and to bring down this Republic. 

Build a wall.  Arm the border.  Stop giving them medical, housing, food, jobs, etc., and they won't come and some will even self deport.  When our economy tanked in FL, you wouldn't believe the decrease in the ILLEGAL population we saw around here.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2024, 04:10:19 pm »
I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.

I agree with you about all the freebies; that needs to stop.  However, there are so many that profit from ILLEGALS, it is difficult to identify them and report them.  Also, believe me, reporting them to ICE for the most part is a lost cause.

Quit the freebies, build and arm a wall and start massive deportation.  ILLEGAL immigration for the most part would cease.
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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2024, 04:12:40 pm »
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Help me understand this.  How is giving the Democrats in charge another $20 billion to spend before the next election - the same Democrats who refuse to enforce current immigration laws - how is doing that going to help stop the flow of illegal immigration?
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2024, 04:14:35 pm »
I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.

It really is that simple.  Entering the country illegally is a crime punishable by six months in prison.  Doing it again is punishable by two years in prison.  We are currently giving away more money in free stuff than we would be spending for a prison cell.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2024, 04:38:57 pm »
That is hysterical.

You just can't be this naive.....

Hysterical?  No it's not.  Once,you are one of those daily 5000, it'lli will be like winning the lotto.  You have in hand a sanctioned document basically saying you are in the country legally.   And you are still dodging  the earlier question  of what happens after the dims expand the program to 10K, 25K, etc. daily.  This is a trojan horsed means of a toe-hold to allow and institutionalize  illegal migration.

I am not a Trump fan, but I do see that this thing gets 95% fixed the day and moment, Pedo Joe's initiatives get reversed, and his policies of January 19, 2021 are re-established.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2024, 06:06:30 pm »
It really is that simple.  Entering the country illegally is a crime punishable by six months in prison.  Doing it again is punishable by two years in prison.  We are currently giving away more money in free stuff than we would be spending for a prison cell.

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The sad fact is that PTB don't want illegal immigration controlled. Their COC masters would be very upset if they let it happen.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2024, 06:50:17 pm »
That 5,000 is talking about asylum seekers. 

It does nothing to the zero tolerance for those illegally crossing except it ends catch and release.

Congratulations.

100% of nothing.  Kinda like breathing underwater.

Done talking with people about what MIGHT happen.

If you want to wallow in your paranoia, go ahead.

Illegals continue to pour into the country and catch and release is still the name of the game.

If you are hoping for some kind of European revolution, good luck.

Meanwhile, the GOP looks stupid, because they act stupid.

Someone like Gallego is going to leverage this disaster to the fullest.  Say Senator Lake now, because in 9 months, she becomes Loser Lake, again.

No matter how much you sugar coat it with Politician-speak, Conservatives will never eat the shit sandwich you are trying to serve up.
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2024, 07:01:59 pm »
The immigrant isn't the problem.  It is the type of immigrant that is the problem.  We have had immigrants come into this country, learn English, school themselves, implant a solid work ethic into their families, massive families living together under the same roof packing their lunches and pooling their money together to start businesses, all in the fulfillment of that elusive American Dream they brought with them.

We WANT immigrants like this.  People who love America and understand the Freedom it represents.

But those are not the type of immigrants we are dealing with today.  The tens of thousands of immigrants who pour illegally over our border today are after one thing and one thing only -  Free Stuff.  They're not bringing the American Dream with them.  They're bringing socialism with them.  Looters go where the money is.

Stop giving out Free Stuff, and they will stop coming.  You want healthcare for your families?  Be prepared to pay for it like the rest of us.  You want education for your kids?  Start your own schools.  Want to eat?  Better find out a way to either grow it yourselves, or work for it.  But do not expect a free cell phone, a free plane ride across the country, a free hotel room, food stamps, free meals, free health care, and an allowance.  That bullshit needs to stop now.
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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2024, 09:30:35 pm »
No matter how much you sugar coat it with Politician-speak, Conservatives will never eat the shit sandwich you are trying to serve up.

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« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2024, 09:55:37 pm »
That is hysterical.

??? Actually there is nothing hysterical about it. 
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« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2024, 09:56:18 pm »
The immigrant isn't the problem.  It is the type of immigrant that is the problem.  We have had immigrants come into this country, learn English, school themselves, implant a solid work ethic into their families, massive families living together under the same roof packing their lunches and pooling their money together to start businesses, all in the fulfillment of that elusive American Dream they brought with them.

We WANT immigrants like this.  People who love America and understand the Freedom it represents.

But those are not the type of immigrants we are dealing with today.  The tens of thousands of immigrants who pour illegally over our border today are after one thing and one thing only -  Free Stuff.  They're not bringing the American Dream with them.  They're bringing socialism with them.  Looters go where the money is.

Stop giving out Free Stuff, and they will stop coming.  You want healthcare for your families?  Be prepared to pay for it like the rest of us.  You want education for your kids?  Start your own schools.  Want to eat?  Better find out a way to either grow it yourselves, or work for it.  But do not expect a free cell phone, a free plane ride across the country, a free hotel room, food stamps, free meals, free health care, and an allowance.  That bullshit needs to stop now.

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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2024, 10:04:08 pm »
??? Actually there is nothing hysterical about it.

It's the meaning of "hysterical" used in this brief humorous anecdote:

"When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandpa.  Not screaming hysterically like the passengers in his car he was driving."
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2024, 10:14:05 pm »
Like I said, NONE of you want to address the ridiculous behaviour of the U.S. Senate.

All your prognosticating is meaningless.

You had a law (formed by a bi-partisan committee.....and led by a conservative out of Oklahoma). 

The GOP cheered it on and then did a 180 at the last minute (in many cases not even bothering to read the law).

And the senators involved look stupid.

Well who gives rats ass that we are going to now trade out Sinema (the person who consistently bailed out a GOP that can't win in, of all places, GEORGIA) for a solid marxist. 

You want 100%.  Great.

You got: 0%.

And that's all your going to get.  In fact, once this stupidity is over and Gallego and Co. get to work, they open the illegal immigration valve and they'll be pouring through like you've never seen before.


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« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2024, 10:20:57 pm »
No matter how much you sugar coat it with Politician-speak, Conservatives will never eat the shit sandwich you are trying to serve up.

The federal GOP has been serving them up for years and you've been munching on them for years. 

And all we've done is give away the store.

There are more registered independents in Arizona than Republicans. 

And, thanks to Lake and Co., not to mention turtle crap, there will be more independents, less republicans, and a crazy marxist in the senate complements of the Grand Canyon State.

Why would you complain about a S-Sandwich.  Seems like you've gotten quite used to them.


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« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2024, 10:25:51 pm »
??? Actually there is nothing hysterical about it. 

Oh yes there is. 

I ROTFLMAO for 10 minutes after reading it.

Some keep using the word naive in their posts and I have to say, that gives me a good chuckle too.

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« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2024, 10:26:42 pm »
The federal GOP has been serving them up for years and you've been munching on them for years. 

And all we've done is give away the store.

There are more registered independents in Arizona than Republicans. 

And, thanks to Lake and Co., not to mention turtle crap, there will be more independents, less republicans, and a crazy marxist in the senate complements of the Grand Canyon State.

Why would you complain about a S-Sandwich.  Seems like you've gotten quite used to them.

There you go again, poking the bear....
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Re: What's the Deal With the Border Protection Bill ?
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2024, 10:35:54 pm »
Hey, I have an idea.....let's fire the head of Homeland Security.

Oh, wait.

Would you like mayo on that sandwich ?

Thanks senate GOPer's.

Thanks house GOPer's.

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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2024, 10:39:34 pm »
I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.

So could anyone else if they had the power.

But unless you sit in the senate or house, you probably are not going to do anything meaningful (except vote).

Maybe, just maybe, we could win a senate seat in Georgia.  I mean...how hard could that be ?

Oh, yeah.....

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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2024, 10:40:54 pm »
Seems like we wanted it.

Then we didn't want it.

I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view.  Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members ?

Then there is the optics of the GOP saying they want the bill (or many of them did) and encouraged the negotiations. 

Then Trump comes out against it. 

And suddenly things turn.

Even if it's not the case, the GOP senate certainly looks like a group of Trump lapdogs.

Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.


Just to remind everyone what the OP was about.

NOT the law itself....but the morons in the senate.