Forced to buy Chinese against my will

[roamer_1]

My compliments to you. Top notch

BIG DITTOS 

[roamer_1]

Free markets and open trade needs to be defended vigorously and proudly

That's the truth. Knock out the stops and let er rip! 

[roamer_1]

Freedom of our oil industry, world oil is only to prosper our enemies, nit for America/AMERICANS.  Same with jobs, and money, only for China India Russia, NOT for Americans, now living on the streets, aND MORE AND MORE SO EVERYDAY.

You're not protecting jobs. You're protecting welfare.

[LMAO]

I SHALL approve the tariff bill. This legislation has now been under almost continuous consideration by Congress for nearly 15 months. It was undertaken as the result of pledges given by the Republican Party at Kansas City. Its declarations embraced these obligations:

"The Republican Party believes that the home market built up under the protective policy belongs to the American farmer, and it pledges its support of legislation which will give this market to him to the full extent of his ability to supply it ... .

"There are certain industries which cannot now successfully compete with foreign producers because of lower foreign wages and a lower cost of living abroad, and we pledge the next Republican Congress to an examination and where necessary a revision of these schedules to the end that the American labor in these industries may again command the home market, may maintain its standard of living, and may count upon steady employment in its accustomed field."

Herbert Hoover June 16, 1930

Trump is much closer to the mindset of Herbert Hoover and FDR  than  Calvin Coolidge

[sneakypete]

That's because American businesses suck.  Back in the 70's, the Big Four US car companies were making crappy cars.   

@Hoodat

I bought my 4 cylinder 93 (I THINK) Ford Ranger pu for $400. It had around 200,000 miles on it,and I  drove it for  about 2 years before the engine took a dump.

Sadly,it is cheaper to buy a more modern used one than it is to buy a rebuilt engine and pay someone to do the swap even if I buy the engine and get it delivered to them.

And I am STILL thinking about doing that at least once a month.

I just like vehicles you can leave parked in a parking lot with  the doors unlocked,and there is still nobody interested in stealing it.

Back when I was still able to work on cars,I either drove cars that were given to me because there was something wrong with  them and the owner wanted it out of his back yard,or that I could buy for 200-300 bucks. Got a lot of miles out of those clunkers.

[Bigun]

It is our own stagnation, laziness, and government interference that is the problem.

Particularly in the area of tax policy.

[LMAO]

Particularly in the area of tax policy.

What tax policy would you favor over our current one?

[Bigun]

What tax policy would you favor over our current one?

A point of retail sale only sales tax on NEW goods and services replacing the current income tax code in its entirety along with the SS and Medicare payroll taxes.

[Smokin Joe]

If you remove all the emotion and politics from it, then 100% free trade will have the most positive economic impact over any other policy regardless of what other countries do.

"But it's not fair that China is dumping steel at below cost . . ."

So what?  Overall, our nation benefits more purchasing steel at lower cost no matter where it comes from.

Never ran any Chinese tubulars in the hole, did you?

[roamer_1]

Never ran any Chinese tubulars in the hole, did you?

No, but I been finding ball bearings in US steel for 20 years... Slag makin, crap. So six of one, I reckon.

[Hoodat]

Never ran any Chinese tubulars in the hole, did you?

I don't think quality should be sacrificed.  I am not advocating the purchase of inferior goods.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't think quality should be sacrificed.  I am not advocating the purchase of inferior goods.

Problem is, cheap goods lead to higher demand, which often leads to poorer QC. CHinese drill strings were first used because they were cheap. Some initial quality was ok, but seemed to decline quickly, and they were pretty much avoided after some twist offs and premature retirements.

@roamer_1 Not advocating anyone use or tolerate crap. When I was fitting steel for Ingalls back in the '70s, I noticed the Japanese steel had a better finish and was in great shape despite being shipped half way around the world, while the beams from Sparrows Point had strips of scale and other crap rolled into the web and the ends were rough. It was far easier to fit up beams and purlins and columns from steel that did not require cleaning up (usually with a grinder) before you could do the layout. So, I get you. No excuse for what we produce in the US to be crap either.

[Bigun]

I don't think quality should be sacrificed.  I am not advocating the purchase of inferior goods.

In my experience, I have found that specs must be very tightly written, or the purchasing people will screw you EVERY time.

I recall fishing out about 11K feet of Japanese (Satsuma) tubulars (just one well) that was in 9 pieces after less than 6 months downhole (15% SO2 and 7% CO2 in fluids produced). Many other wells were the same. We also wound up replacing every ball valve in the field due to incorrect elastomers in their innards. (Same spec writers and purchasing people.)

We did wind up with lots of scrap pipe to make truck bumpers, wheel stops, and various other things from.

[Elderberry]

When my son got his  orders for a sub home ported in Guam, I helped him bring home his 75 Vette along with other stuff. He had recently had a shop that people spoke highly of change out his 454 for a crate engine. Then he had mentioned that he felt a vibration. I looked it over and discovered that his orig engine was internally balanced and the motor they installed was externally balanced, and they didn't replace the flexplate and harmonic balancer. So I replaced the harmonic balancer and flexplate. On the flexplate, I wanted to use new bolts. I went to many an auto parts store and even speed shops and all of them only sold blister packed bolts from China. I ended up ordering USA bolts from McMaster-Carr.

I was putting gin poles in the bed of my 56 3/4 ton to get the engine out of the bus we slept in at deer camp. I foolishly went to Northern Tool for material. They had graded chain, but all of their Chinese chain shackles and hooks were not graded.

It didn't matter anyway. One should always believe China always lies on their metal grading.

[Hoodat]

One should always believe China always lies .  .  .

No argument there.

[DB]

This is why you should never get food or drugs from China... If there's a corner to be cut, they'll find it...

I also mean mainland China, not Taiwan.

[catfish1957]

This is why you should never get food or drugs from China... If there's a corner to be cut, they'll find it...

I also mean mainland China, not Taiwan.

The Chicoms are on to our noticing this too. That is why there are so many of their proxies operating under faux auspices.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Have we determined that the title of this thread is ridiculous hyperbole?

[sneakypete]

Have we determined that the title of this thread is ridiculous hyperbole?

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I dunno comrade.

Maybe you could form a committee  to make that determination?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Have we determined that the title of this thread is ridiculous hyperbole?

I thought that was a given.

I mean, I was tempted to ask how many toenails they had to pull before he clicked the "order" button, but I assumed we all knew it was hyperbole.

[sneakypete]

I thought that was a given.

I mean, I was tempted to ask how many toenails they had to pull before he clicked the "order" button, but I assumed we all knew it was hyperbole.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Damn shame I am not smart enough  to be like you  guys,and willing to spend hours and/or drive up to  100 miles to buy a common electric coffee peculator that wasn't made in China.

(SARCASM  WARNING!)

[roamer_1]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Damn shame I am not smart enough  to be like you  guys,and willing to spend hours and/or drive up to  100 miles to buy a common electric coffee peculator that wasn't made in China.

(SARCASM  WARNING!)

C'mon Pete. I betcha I can find Chinesium all over your house... And your shop. The pooter you're tapping on right now was made in China, damn near guaranteed.

[sneakypete]

C'mon Pete. I betcha I can find Chinesium all over your house... And your shop. The pooter you're tapping on right now was made in China, damn near guaranteed.

@roamer_1

And that means I am HAPPY about it?

It's a Dell,and I have no idea  where  it was made. I bought it as a used and re-conditioned laptop from Amazon 2-3 years ago  for 100 bucks and had it shipped to me with the seller paying the shipping.

Even if it WAS made in China,the Chinese did not get even as much as one thin dime from me for it's purchase.

BTW,I honestly don't know where it was made.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

And that means I am HAPPY about it?

It's a Dell,and I have no idea  where  it was made. I bought it as a used and re-conditioned laptop from Amazon 2-3 years ago  for 100 bucks and had it shipped to me with the seller paying the shipping.

Even if it WAS made in China,the Chinese did not get even as much as one thin dime from me for it's purchase.

BTW,I honestly don't know where it was made.

Last I looked all laptops are made in four factories in China. All of em. Of course, it's been a while since I looked... But I betcha that's close to true. Phones are all Asian made. TVs. pretty much all small appliances. And what ain't made in China probably has Chinese components.

I get why you're barking, but that horse left the barn long ago, while you were sleeping on the porch. 

[christian]

American vehicle manufacturer were proudly demanding $130,000 for pick-up trucks in recent years.  Japanese and Chinese are offering pick-up trucks for $2,000, $5,000, and $10,000 recently, while American auto industry hires more and more foreigners to work in their plants, who often spend their money back home.  A woke utopian scenario much advanced by Joe Bidens utopian paradise.  Those that march their lock-step much ignore those consequences.
Here we are the supporters insist their hands are clean.  The wicked are so innocent nowadays.  Doncha know?