Trump’s VP Pick

[roamer_1]

Actually I am praying for a miracle.  Also I continue to pray that the Lord God Jesus Christ stops the evil that keeps prevailing in this country.

First, you have to stop voting for it. 

[roamer_1]

Nope.

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Interesting insight, and I concur... With all but that last part.

The only way to beat this thing is grassroots and righteous... Think TEA Party.
The politics of it all are a side show.
And it will never ever occur chasing after the lesser evil.

[libertybele]

First, you have to stop voting for it. 

I have no intention of voting for it.  I thought I've been pretty clear on that. As of now, unless things drastically change for some reason, I will only be voting for conservatives down ballot.

[roamer_1]

I have no intention of voting for it.  I thought I've been pretty clear on that. As of now, unless things drastically change for some reason, I will only be voting for conservatives down ballot.

Oh yeah... That wasn't pointed at !YOU!
I normally don't run into this problem, tending toward 'y'all and all y'all' in my speech.
But both of those limited the statement to folks on this board... So I used 'you' in the very broad indirect sense.

My apologies.  Your self is not in question. Ever.

[Bigun]

I have no intention of voting for it.  I thought I've been pretty clear on that. As of now, unless things drastically change for some reason, I will only be voting for conservatives down ballot.

Not voting is voting just as not speaking is speaking.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Deitrich Bonhoeffer

[roamer_1]

Not voting is voting just as not speaking is speaking.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Deitrich Bonhoeffer

FALSE.

Crap sandwich vs. Turd burger argument. And it is false.

[DB]

Not voting is voting just as not speaking is speaking.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Deitrich Bonhoeffer

It is speaking. It is saying neither has EARNED my vote. Until enough people demand that the Republicans EARN their vote you won't get anything different. The failure to speak against both parties in the voting booth is why we are here as a country. Instead people vote in fear accepting what little less damage that gets done to them. Remember that quote about safety and liberty?

[scottfreitas]

It is speaking. It is saying neither has EARNED my vote. Until enough people demand that the Republicans EARN their vote you won't get anything different. The failure to speak against both parties in the voting booth is why we are here as a country. Instead people vote in fear accepting what little less damage that gets done to them. Remember that quote about safety and liberty?

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with Party efforts to recruit new voters. I'm talking about Party attitudes towards people who simply do not and will not vote at all. LOL!! along with eyerolls and headshakes has been their response to that all throughout history, and I see no reason to believe it will change.

[Hoodat]

Is 'Michelle Obama' the phencyclidine option?

[scottfreitas]

Is 'Michelle Obama' the phencyclidine option?

One thing's for sure: the fact she is the leading pick by a landslide so far shows the few respondents are NOT in any way taking the poll seriously.

[DB]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

Incorrect. Get enough people not willing to vote or fund your party and either they have to change or die. I'm going to vote. I'm voting DeSantis in the primary. Until more people have the courage to withhold their vote despite the short term consequences we're going to continue down the long term road of destruction. Essentially by voting for the lesser evil you are voting for a little more safety at the cost of long term liberty.

Hence: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

That's what voting for the lesser evil is. You might get a little more safety with Trump but you'll be sacrificing more liberty either way. Trump did more damage to liberty in 2020 than any President in the last 50 years.

[bigheadfred]

One thing's for sure: the fact she is the leading pick by a landslide so far shows the few respondents are NOT in any way taking the poll seriously.

Most of the polls come with a "stoner option" and it is usually noted as such.

[roamer_1]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with Party efforts to recruit new voters. I'm talking about Party attitudes towards people who simply do not and will not vote at all. LOL!! along with eyerolls and headshakes has been their response to that all throughout history, and I see no reason to believe it will change.

I will step in here to remind you that your vote is your endorsement. That is all it can ever be. By definition.

So 'voting against' is bullcrap. You can only vote *for*.

Your politician will not reckon your vote as a vote against his opponent, but only as a vote *for* him.

To couch it otherwise is error.

So you are in effect and in practice voting for MORE damage to liberty and to treasure when you vote for Tumpy... Because that is his record, and that is his veiled promise - veiled in that he still believes he did the right thing wrt pandemic and vax, So he'd do the same thing again. And veiled in his enthusiasm for trillions of dollars invested in 'freedom cities'.

You can't go in thinking you'll get something different than he already has done on the record.

So you'll throw the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives under the bus.
And if you win that way, don't expect either to be resurrected. Ever. You done run them over.

As for me... I will NOT vote against libertarians and fiscal conservatives. I will not endorse a candidate that treated them so very poorly. I will heed their cry. I will follow with them.

And that means I will not, cannot endorse Tumpy.

[Bigun]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

100% correct!

[mystery-ak]

no Tulsi Gabbard optiom...

[Bigun]

FALSE.

Crap sandwich vs. Turd burger argument. And it is false.

No! It most assuredly is not false!

[GtHawk]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with Party efforts to recruit new voters. I'm talking about Party attitudes towards people who simply do not and will not vote at all. LOL!! along with eyerolls and headshakes has been their response to that all throughout history, and I see no reason to believe it will change.

It's funny, over years I have seen the argument go from stay home, don't vote and teach the bastards a lesson(this was referring to republicans) but once Trump came on the scene it morphed into not voting for Trump was voting for Hillary and now Biden. Nobody gets my vote without earning  I voted for Trump twice but I just can't do it again, his lack of impulse control, his lying about and attacks on real Conservatives is something I can't ignore any longer, nor his rubber stamping insane spending. I will vote, down ticket but as of now if my choices at the top are Trump or Haley? I might just Hibernate for the next cycle. Besides, people like me have been told repeatedly that The Great Orange One doesn't need our votes, challenge accepted I will test the hypothesis 

[bigheadfred]

no Tulsi Gabbard optiom...

This poll was started when Tulsi was still a democrat...

[Bigun]

I will step in here to remind you that your vote is your endorsement. That is all it can ever be. By definition.

So 'voting against' is bullcrap. You can only vote *for*.

Your politician will not reckon your vote as a vote against his opponent, but only as a vote *for* him.

To couch it otherwise is error.

So you are in effect and in practice voting for MORE damage to liberty and to treasure when you vote for Tumpy... Because that is his record, and that is his veiled promise - veiled in that he still believes he did the right thing wrt pandemic and vax, So he'd do the same thing again. And veiled in his enthusiasm for trillions of dollars invested in 'freedom cities'.

You can't go in thinking you'll get something different than he already has done on the record.

So you'll throw the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives under the bus.
And if you win that way, don't expect either to be resurrected. Ever. You done run them over.

As for me... I will NOT vote against libertarians and fiscal conservatives. I will not endorse a candidate that treated them so very poorly. I will heed their cry. I will follow with them.

And that means I will not, cannot endorse Tumpy.

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

[DB]

100% correct!

And you are stuck in a trap you can't get out of because you are willing to trade a small short term gain in safety for a loss in long term liberty. Those massive debts both Trump and Biden ran up dramatically tightened the bindings on us all, crushing our future. Trump did more damage to liberty in 2020 than any President in the last 50 years. You can make excuses "he didn't know", etc. but that was his job to find out and lead. He failed terribly.

[DB]

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

And where are we now?

[roamer_1]

No! It most assuredly is not false!

Yes it is false.

I may be forced to eat a Turd burger because I didn't volunteer to eat the crap sandwich instead. But in the end, they are the same damn thing, and I will choose to eat NEITHER. If I am later forced to eat either one (and believe me that force can come from either side), That's on y'all or on them. Not on me.

I 'll hold out for a nice turkey and swiss on the brioche roll from the deli down the street.

I will not endorse the crap sandwich. YOU go eat it.

[libertybele]

Interesting that Michelle Obama has the highest percentage of votes.

No way Trump would select her.

[roamer_1]

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

And here we are.
That is why we have politicians instead of statesmen.

I aim to change that paradigm. My endorsement comes with Conservative strings.
You want that vote, then put up a Conservative.

[Hoodat]

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

My 2016 vote for Darrell Castle was not only a vote against the greater evil, it was a vote against the lesser evil as well.