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Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« on: January 18, 2024, 04:47:47 pm »
Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
Aaron DeCorte

Political purity contests are fantastic for social media and cable news, but not so great for conservatives who prioritize winning over perfection. On Monday, Iowa voters chose Trump, despite all his flaws. They didn’t just hand him a razor-thin victory, it was more like a historic tsunami.

Why did they do that? DeSantis is more normal, Haley can bring the much-coveted college-educated suburban women that CNN is infatuated with, yet they broke hard for Trump. Are they blind to Trump’s flaws? His legal situation? Nope. It’s that they have decided perfection isn’t the goal.

I have been wearing the GOP hat since I could vote. Don’t get me wrong, I have donned the jersey of my favorite primary candidate every four years, but I have never taken off my hat. My voting record reflects that philosophy: Bush, Dole, Bush x 2, McCain, Romney, Trump x 2. I am not the first person to say this, but for me, electoral politics is purely transactional. I don’t need a friend, parent, pastor, therapist, role model, hero, or savior when voting for a politician. My vote is cast for who is aligned closest to my views at every stage, first in the primary and then in the general.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2024, 04:53:14 pm »
Republicans feel they may need to, but I don't think conservatives feel the need to.
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2024, 04:55:15 pm »
Annnnnd out comes the purity bullshit once again. This shtick is tired.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2024, 05:04:52 pm »
I had a friend back in college who described this scenario to a "T"

When the overall landscape was pretty bad, he'd quip.....

"It's not that things are bad, it's just some things are less shitty"

I thought we had a pretty decent candidate with RDS, but when you add the Trump dupe factor, we didn't have a prayer.
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2024, 05:12:51 pm »
I had a friend back in college who described this scenario to a "T"

When the overall landscape was pretty bad, he'd quip.....

"It's not that things are bad, it's just some things are less shitty"

I thought we had a pretty decent candidate with RDS, but when you add the Trump dupe factor, we didn't have a prayer.

If you consider that things were likely less shitty under Trump than Clinton, the end result is still the same under Biden.  It's the end result that matters.  Very few of Trump's policies actually took hold...it delayed things a bit and we had an upswing, but the downswing from Biden as a result has been disastrous.

People need to realize that until we can get a conservative in the WH whose policies actually take hold, things aren't going to change nor will they change fiscally. We've gone from a very slow uphill battle to a very fast downward spiral.
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2024, 06:07:31 pm »
I can accept an imperfect candidate.  I won't trust a flip-flopper.

The cynical GOP candidate strategy has been to run to the right in the Primary, and run in the middle in the General Election.  Bush '43 deceived conservatives.  McCain's and Romney's campaigns insulted the intelligence of the conservatives with flip-flopping.

I want clarity on issues.  I realize that compromise is a necessary evil to accomplish things in a divided Government.  But, compromise means that conservatives get something in return.  Recently, GOP "compromise" has consisted of trying nothing and immediately yielding to Dems and Senate Repubs.

To get Americans' money to defend Ukraine's, Israel's, and Taiwan's borders, it's only natural to expect the American Government to defend America's borders first.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2024, 07:56:10 pm »
Merde! Not this again!

Republicans can't even agree on what is a Conservative, much less field a candidate who really is.

Purity has been off the table since Dr. Franklin said "...if you can keep it."

Now it's time for the whole false dichotomy if you aren't voting for A, it's a vote for B crap.

Predictable bullshit is just that, predictable. Here we go again.
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2024, 07:58:45 pm »
I can accept an imperfect candidate.  I won't trust a flip-flopper.

The cynical GOP candidate strategy has been to run to the right in the Primary, and run in the middle in the General Election.  Bush '43 deceived conservatives.  McCain's and Romney's campaigns insulted the intelligence of the conservatives with flip-flopping.

I want clarity on issues.  I realize that compromise is a necessary evil to accomplish things in a divided Government.  But, compromise means that conservatives get something in return.  Recently, GOP "compromise" has consisted of trying nothing and immediately yielding to Dems and Senate Repubs.

To get Americans' money to defend Ukraine's, Israel's, and Taiwan's borders, it's only natural to expect the American Government to defend America's borders first.

America First, America Foremost

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2024, 08:03:07 pm »
If you consider that things were likely less shitty under Trump than Clinton, .

Actually, no
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2024, 08:05:36 pm »
Is it too much to ask that the Republican candidate be an actual Republican?
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2024, 08:08:33 pm »
Is it too much to ask that the Republican candidate be an actual Republican?

Evidently, yes
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2024, 08:10:08 pm »
Is it too much to ask that the Republican candidate be an actual Republican?

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Please define "actual Republican."


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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2024, 08:14:35 pm »
Annnnnd out comes the purity bullshit once again. This shtick is tired.

@roamer_1

As opposed to the purists on the Ted Cruz thread who were finished with Cruz because of his support of Trump? Is that a fair purity comparison? If not, what is?

It's funny how one can tell when a nerve has been hit. Folks start making up silly nicknames and adding a "y" to the end of the villain's name. In my mind's eye, I see a keyboard warrior gnashing their teeth as they type their response.  wink777


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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2024, 08:29:21 pm »
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As opposed to the purists on the Ted Cruz thread who were finished with Cruz because of his support of Trump? Is that a fair purity comparison? If not, what is?

That's not fair. Cruz has been losing his shine for a long time - especially with every time his 'yea' helped to pass those porkulous bills. He's gone from what, a 96% ACU rating to an 85. That's not even Conservative anymore.

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It's funny how one can tell when a nerve has been hit. Folks start making up silly nicknames and adding a "y" to the end of the villain's name. In my mind's eye, I see a keyboard warrior gnashing their teeth as they type their response.  wink777

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2024, 08:43:52 pm »
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I have to be honest with you, bro. When I encounter purists, I have to wonder how they're ever able to cast a vote. I've had to hold my nose and vote for so many candidates over the years. The only one I can remember being 100% for was the great Ronald Reagan. I can almost always find a wart, a pimple or a staph infection in any candidate under the umbrella of the Republican Party. And yet, I vote Republican once my choices have been narrowed down by fellow Americans. There have been a couple of times when I've left a choice blank or I've written in someone, but I've managed to vote for less-than-perfect candidates for decades and do my griping after the fact.

That's not fair. Cruz has been losing his shine for a long time - especially with every time his 'yea' helped to pass those porkulous bills. He's gone from what, a 96% ACU rating to an 85. That's not even Conservative anymore.

Asked and answered, and Tumpy it will forever be.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2024, 08:53:38 pm »
@roamer_1

As opposed to the purists on the Ted Cruz thread who were finished with Cruz because of his support of Trump? Is that a fair purity comparison? If not, what is?

It's funny how one can tell when a nerve has been hit. Folks start making up silly nicknames and adding a "y" to the end of the villain's name. In my mind's eye, I see a keyboard warrior gnashing their teeth as they type their response.  wink777

I won't vote for more destruction. Trump is big government, only with a different flavor. The flavor isn't the root problem. I'm not voting for how much gas we pour on our house fire. The only thing that helps is stop putting gas on the fire. Trump's overall response to COVID really couldn't have been much worse. What could of a Democrat president done to make it worse than it was? I won't reward that.
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2024, 08:59:07 pm »
There never has been and never will be anything other than imperfect candidates for anything!
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2024, 09:02:17 pm »
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I have to be honest with you, bro. When I encounter purists, I have to wonder how they're ever able to cast a vote. I've had to hold my nose and vote for so many candidates over the years. The only one I can remember being 100% for was the great Ronald Reagan. I can almost always find a wart, a pimple or a staph infection in any candidate under the umbrella of the Republican Party. And yet, I vote Republican once my choices have been narrowed down by fellow Americans. There have been a couple of times when I've left a choice blank or I've written in someone, but I've managed to vote for less-than-perfect candidates for decades and do my griping after the fact.

The funny part is that I am not a purist. Sure upholding Conservative principles is prerequisite - Bu that's only the things we agreed upon all the way back to Reagan... Those things are what we are here for - If we're not voting for that, well then, what's the point?

But providing for the Conservative principles, there is PLENTY of room for compromise and for difference.

It's when you are getting NONE of it, and for YEARS... Decades... And expect me to vote for the big Rhinestone 'R' anyway... forever.

No.

It's their job to attract voters. They sure as hell ain't attracting me. They REPULSE me. And that's the endpoint. I ain't in this gig for voting for voting's sake. The endpoint is a satisfaction with that vote that is utterly absent.

I won't do it anymore.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2024, 09:18:09 pm »
Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate

Well if the candidate was perfect he'd be sitting at the right hand of the the Big Guy. There's imperfect and then there is imperfect, we had/have a imperfect candidate in Ron DeSantis, but Trump and his orange mafia committed the same character assassination on him that they did on Cruz. I have no problem with an imperfect candidate, I do have trouble with a churlish(that ones for you Pete) candidate who spends more time attacking actual conservatives because they will not genuflect at the altar of orange than they do democrats, and who after nine years? still can't be bothered to educate himself on what can be done constitutionally or how our government works. But that's my position, the great thing about America is we don't have to walk/think in lockstep...even if some demand it.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2024, 09:20:04 pm »
LOL   He's all yours, republicans!
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2024, 10:54:56 pm »
@Hoodat

Please define "actual Republican."

I realize it is an archaic term, but in the archaic sense, it is someone who believes in limiting the size of government and implement policies where the ratio of National Debt/GDP actually falls.  It is someone who views government as the problem rather than the solution.  In other words, it certainly isn't Donald Trump.
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2024, 10:59:59 pm »
There never has been and never will be anything other than imperfect candidates for anything!

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2024, 11:02:11 pm »
LOL   He's all yours, republicans!
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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2024, 11:58:57 pm »
We the People did not provide the Absolute Right of Kings to the Office of the Presidency in the US Constitution.

An officer of the 2nd Branch of GovernmentSummoning a  mob, and directing that mob, to violently attack the 1st Branch of Government to circumvent the legal outcome of the States' elections is outside the official respoonsibilities of the Office of the Presidency.

Trump's seditious consiracy is outlined in the PowerPoint presented in the White House on January 5th, 2021:
https://www.arkansasonline.com/1212powerpoint/

In a more perfect world, Trump, and his goons, would have been indicted, tried, and sentenced under Federal RICO laws for their corrupt criminal enterprise to illegally prevent the legally prescribed January 6th execution of Congress's Constitutional duty to read the states' certified electoral vote counts in a joint session of Congress.

The Founders prescribed specific dates and times in the US Constitutuional for the assembly of the Electors, the casting of Electors' votes, and the Congressional tally of Electors' votes to prevent a wannabe tyrant from using delay to prevent the timely, legal, peaceful transfer of power to a newly elected President.

The Founders were the greatest collection of minds during the Age of Reason.  The US Constitution is the anti-thesis of tryanical European governments of their day.  The Founders saw Trump coming from 230 years away.

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Re: Republicans Must Accept The Reality Of The Imperfect Candidate
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2024, 12:02:50 am »
I realize it is an archaic term, but in the archaic sense, it is someone who believes in limiting the size of government and implement policies where the ratio of National Debt/GDP actually falls.  It is someone who views government as the problem rather than the solution.  In other words, it certainly isn't Donald Trump.
Problem is, the 'original' Republican had no problem with unbridled power, suspending the Constitution and Habeas Corpus, rounding up people and jailing them on suspicion, states militarily invading another, provided those States had voted for him, etc. He also went for an income tax and fiat money (greenbacks), even declaring war on part of the population he disagreed with, invading and trashing their homeland.

Hard act to follow, that.

But, irony of ironies, in the pursuit of conservatism, I have washed up on the shores of the Republican Party, because the Democrat Party has become the home of the patently insane, declaring that those who are generations removed from slavery are entitled to compensation for that institution's existence, claiming that the only way to make things "right" for the 1/4 of the population that is not "only white", is loot the majority for having worked hard and achieved, to the alleged benefit of that fraction that (for whatever reason) has not and to dumb down and oppress that 3/4. Other insanities apply, like ignoring the Constitution and the law, and even the Courts' specific rulings to do as they please.  One of the Charges Against the King in the Declaration of Independence comes to mind:
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He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our
people, and eat out their substance.
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But, today, I am a man without a Major Party I feel the ability to wholeheartedly embrace.

As the GOP abandons the Conservatism that peaked with Barry Goldwater, (I wasn't old enough to vote, but I still have my 'Goldwater dollar') and even slides away from the reasonable policies of Ronald Reagan, I am seeing two flavors of nuts, opposite ends pf the same spectrum, almost equally Hell-bent on spending what savings I have into inflation diminished oblivion, seemingly trying to outdo each other in the number of sigmas from the mean they can achieve in the bipolarization of the American psyche.

No wonder America isn't mentioned in End Times Prophecy. It will be sucked into the vortex of its own decay at this rate, to the bitter disappointment of millions of us.


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