Will you Vote for Trump IF he is the Republican Nominee this year?

[Hoodat]

I could've written what you wrote.

Wrote in Ted Cruz in 2016 & happily voted for Trump in 2020...

I did what @AllThatJazzZ and @pookie18 did.  But after Covid and the abject idiocy that Trump engaged in up to and after the election, I'd had enough.  And I'm not talking about Jan 6.  I'm talking about Trump's inability to put forth a competent legal strategy against all the States that violated their own election laws.  Trump seems to think that holding a giant rally fixes all ills.

Even in the closing argument he just made in one of his court cases, instead of pointing out the legal flaws in his prosecution, he stood before the jury whining about how unfair this is to him.

I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I did go to his inauguration.  I did vote for him in 2020 solely because of the way he stood up to the enemy press.  It is a vote that I will regret for the rest of my life.  I broke my personal rule - 'Never vote for Democrats'.  I will not do that again.

[roamer_1]

Oh, and btw, on these bits:

You apparently believe that having Biden (or whatever Dem ends up actually running) is less of a threat than Trump.

No, I believe supporting big government on the Right is more dangerous than anything. ANYTHING. Because who then will defend small government? And without that, will go every single one of your liberties - As Tumpy has already demonstrated... And the government he left to Bidem continues to demonstrate. It's the same damn government.

(BTW, "Tumpy" isn't a cute or clever term, even if you were a 3-year-old girl.  )

Precisely, and intentionally... There to illustrate. Because you are ready to vote for one with such a mentality, who uses exactly those sorts of epithets ALL THE TIME... For president of the friggin United States.. But you criticize me?

That is the height of absurdity, and exactly why I use the term without end. The hypocrisy is lovely - And you are by no means the only one. 

[AllThatJazzZ]

Precisely, and intentionally... There to illustrate. Because you are ready to vote for one with such a mentality, who uses exactly those sorts of epithets ALL THE TIME... For president of the friggin United States.. But you criticize me?

That is the height of absurdity, and exactly why I use the term without end. The hypocrisy is lovely - And you are by no means the only one. 

@roamer_1

I'm not going to fault you because you haven't read or remembered my posts concerning Trump's childish and classless name-calling. There are numerous Briefers posting numerous things over numerous months/years. It's difficult for the poster him/herself to remember their own posts. But you're wrong to assume I don't take Trump to task. I do and I have, but we've moved into a new reality since the Iowa Caucus. It appears that Trump is going to be the Republican candidate, and all my protests aren't going to change that. I may not be getting what I want, but I can make decisions based on what I believe is best for the country and for me. If the facts change, I can re-examine my position. For the time being, I'm willing to vote for Trump and pray that an candidate more of my choosing will be our choice in 2028. I'll also be praying that a Dem doesn't "win" the presidency, as the likelihood of one-party rule will be given a strong foothold by the time 2028 rolls around.

[Hoodat]

I'll also be praying that a Dem doesn't "win" the presidency, as the likelihood of one-party rule will be given a strong foothold by the time 2028 rolls around.

If the choice in 2024 is between Biden and Trump, then it is a 100% certainty that a Democrat wins the Presidency.

[AllThatJazzZ]

If the choice in 2024 is between Biden and Trump, then it is a 100% certainty that a Democrat wins the Presidency.

@Hoodat

Explain why you believe that.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

I'm not going to fault you because you haven't read or remembered my posts concerning Trump's childish and classless name-calling. There are numerous Briefers posting numerous things over numerous months/years. It's difficult for the poster him/herself to remember their own posts. But you're wrong to assume I don't take Trump to task. I do and I have, but we've moved into a new reality since the Iowa Caucus.

Actually I remember you very precisely. You are one of a very few Conservative reads on this board (in a philosophical sense). I know exactly your stance, and appreciate your writing nearly daily.

It appears that Trump is going to be the Republican candidate, and all my protests aren't going to change that. I may not be getting what I want, but I can make decisions based on what I believe is best for the country and for me. If the facts change, I can re-examine my position. For the time being, I'm willing to vote for Trump and pray that an candidate more of my choosing will be our choice in 2028.

I am not. I will no longer support the scheme that ALWAYS puts a big government compliant dolt in the white house. Not Tumpy per se... But he's just another in a long line, isn't he? I will not continue down a path that has done naught but fill the Republicans from stem to stern with RINOs, rendering it neutered. They are no opposition. They are not fighting for me or for you.

Your argument is not valid - merely a distinction in decision about the wallpaper on the Titanic.

The only way we don't wind up socialist is with a small government - And the only way that is going to happen is to start voting for it to reclaim the Right. There is no stop-gap, because every time you settle for big government on the Right, you further anneal and confirm the 'new' direction  -  You get MORE of what you vote *FOR*, and small government - fiscal responsibility... Conservatism - is completely off the table and will remain forever thus, unless it is demanded.

I will vote for Conservatives, and nothing else. I will not aid in the destruction of this great country.
 

I'll also be praying that a Dem doesn't "win" the presidency, as the likelihood of one-party rule will be given a strong foothold by the time 2028 rolls around.

Sure... and what will it matter when you'll have your very own Democrat in a pretty red tie?

No. No way in hell.

[Smokin Joe]

Nothing has been done to stop fraud in the "battleground" States.

Over 7 million potential fraudulent voters have been distributed nationwide.

By reviewing those often egregious mistakes of last time, the whole election stealing apparatus will have been refined, the algorithms updated, and the rough spots buffed out. I'd wager those machines can be updated on the fly, leaving little or no need for a halt in counting, like the five halted states which incidentally, also flipped from Trump to Biden.

With some rewriting, those votes can be flipped as need be to achieve a desired outcome with no further input.

Anyone who wants to be in denial that Biden stole the election last time is free to do so, and with eight years of demonization in the press and general weariness of an electorate tired of everything being blamed on Trump, it is likely that the (real) margins of 2020 will not even need to be overcome.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm a fence sitter. Haven't ruled it out but I'm not totally sold either.

[DB]

@Hoodat

Explain why you believe that.

Trump has only increased is solid no votes making more enemies. The only chance he has is if somehow the Democrat vote gets split taking more Biden votes than Trump votes.

For me, I will not vote for more of the same.

If the choice is a Democrat or Trump then I will vote for neither.

[AllThatJazzZ]

Trump has only increased is solid no votes making more enemies. The only chance he has is if somehow the Democrat vote gets split taking more Biden votes than Trump votes.

For me, I will not vote for more of the same.

If the choice is a Democrat or Trump then I will vote for neither.

@DB

Thanks for your reply. @Hoodat, I'd still like to hear your POV.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Explain why you believe that.

Because both Biden and Trump are Democrats.

[DB]

It's like taking a brash Fiat and nailing on a Mercedes badge and then calling it one...

[Bigun]

@roamer_1

I'm not going to fault you because you haven't read or remembered my posts concerning Trump's childish and classless name-calling. There are numerous Briefers posting numerous things over numerous months/years. It's difficult for the poster him/herself to remember their own posts. But you're wrong to assume I don't take Trump to task. I do and I have, but we've moved into a new reality since the Iowa Caucus. It appears that Trump is going to be the Republican candidate, and all my protests aren't going to change that. I may not be getting what I want, but I can make decisions based on what I believe is best for the country and for me. If the facts change, I can re-examine my position. For the time being, I'm willing to vote for Trump and pray that an candidate more of my choosing will be our choice in 2028. I'll also be praying that a Dem doesn't "win" the presidency, as the likelihood of one-party rule will be given a strong foothold by the time 2028 rolls around.

Thank you @AllThatJazzZ for perfectly describing both my posting history and my position on the realities of voting for president in 2024.

[AllThatJazzZ]

Because both Biden and Trump are Democrats.

@Hoodat

What does that mean in terms of a 4-year term if either Biden (or Dem) or Trump were to win in 2024? Which choice leaves us where at the end of 4 years?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

What does that mean in terms of a 4-year term if either Biden (or Dem) or Trump were to win in 2024? Which choice leaves us where at the end of 4 years?

Either choice leaves us with $43+ trillion in debt.  Doesn't matter which one.  The result will be the same.  More Big Government.  More debt.  More inflation.

[roamer_1]

@Hoodat

What does that mean in terms of a 4-year term if either Biden (or Dem) or Trump were to win in 2024? Which choice leaves us where at the end of 4 years?

In exactly the same place. It's the same damn government.

[Wingnut]

Will I vote for Trump?  Probably wont know until Nov.  This is one f'd up election.