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Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« on: January 15, 2024, 02:47:23 pm »
DeSantis' campaign put this out a week ago, and it does a great job of showing how Trump's rhetoric on issues doesn't match his actions:


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1744130879759294818?s=20

Personally, I would not be opposed to a limited amnesty -- even one as large as Trump described -- as part of a trade-off on a truly iron-clad border agreement.  But such an agreement would require a constitutional amendment, not just legislation that could be ignored or repealed.  But Trump is too ignorant on the law and operation of government to understand that, so he'd likely sell us down the river for a short term gain for which he'd claim victory.

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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2024, 06:54:35 pm »
The good news is that DeSantis probably won't be in the Campaign after a few weeks.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2024, 07:00:31 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 15, 2024, 02:47:23 pm
it does a great job of showing how Trump's rhetoric on issues doesn't match his actions:

That's been the case since 2015.  Back then he pledged to deport all the illegals, and then fast-track them right back in granting them legal status.  All while his construction company benefited from hiring lower wage illegals.  Yet to this day his sycophants continue emanating the false rhetoric of 'Drain the Swamp' and 'Build the Wall'.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2024, 07:06:50 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 15, 2024, 07:00:31 pm
That's been the case since 2015.  Back then he pledged to deport all the illegals, and then fast-track them right back in granting them legal status.  All while his construction company benefited from hiring lower wage illegals.  Yet to this day his sycophants continue emanating the false rhetoric of 'Drain the Swamp' and 'Build the Wall'.

I get the idea that you can't always deliver on everything you promise because you can't dictate to Congress.  The problem with Trump is that he doesn't understand government enough to push the best work-arounds.   And because he is so toxic to those who don't like him, stuff that might pass under another Republican President will die just because Democrats won't give Trump a win.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2024, 07:23:54 pm »
There is also a large degree of cult worship where his supporters build him up into something he is not.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2024, 07:25:57 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 15, 2024, 07:23:54 pm
There is also a large degree of cult worship where his supporters build him up into something he is not.

And they even do that, despite the fact we have a record from his presidency

At least Obama supporters in 2008 went on pure belief
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2024, 07:39:42 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 15, 2024, 06:54:35 pm
The good news is that DeSantis probably won't be in the Campaign after a few weeks.

So you want DeSantis out?
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2024, 09:27:42 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 15, 2024, 07:39:42 pm
So you want DeSantis out?

If all he does is bitch about Trump, yes.  And I also feel that way about Trump and Haley, too.  Fighting like this just feeds the Democrats fodder for the General Election.

I have always felt like this.  Personal attacks to win Primaries always come back to bite the Party.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2024, 09:33:18 pm »
DeSantis offers substance, but no one seems to care.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2024, 09:44:34 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 15, 2024, 02:47:23 pm
DeSantis' campaign put this out a week ago, and it does a great job of showing how Trump's rhetoric on issues doesn't match his actions:


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1744130879759294818?s=20

Personally, I would not be opposed to a limited amnesty -- even one as large as Trump described -- as part of a trade-off on a truly iron-clad border agreement.  But such an agreement would require a constitutional amendment, not just legislation that could be ignored or repealed.  But Trump is too ignorant on the law and operation of government to understand that, so he'd likely sell us down the river for a short term gain for which he'd claim victory.
A Constitutional Amendment would only invite the Dems/Leftists to find workarounds, ignore the Amendment (as they ignore the Law),  and further ignore court rulings that bolster the COnstitution and the AMendments thereto.

It is time for us to face the fact that the people opposed to the Rule of Law have a long sheet of ignoring, nonfeasance, and every imaginable middle finger raised to the Constitution and laws of this country. There is and will be NO intent, and no compliance to any law they did not want in the first place. They even purge Police Departments to to ensure the law will not be upheld, pack courts and DA offices to ensure arrests will be meaningless.

They do not--and will not--play by the rules.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2024, 09:49:53 pm »
1.  Enforce current law.
2.  Stop handing out free shit.

Do this, and you have my vote.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2024, 09:52:29 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 15, 2024, 09:49:53 pm
1.  Enforce current law.
2.  Stop handing out free shit.

Do this, and you have my vote.
Yep, and eject the ones who came here illegally in the last 3 years (for starters), anchor babies and all.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2024, 09:55:05 pm »
Great ad by DeSantis -- Trump FAILED on his promises on the border, plain and simple.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2024, 10:55:58 pm »
Hoodat observes:
"DeSantis offers substance, but no one seems to care."

Fine.
Let him "offer" it again in 2028.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2024, 11:00:48 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on January 15, 2024, 10:55:58 pm
Hoodat observes:
"DeSantis offers substance, but no one seems to care."

Fine.
Let him "offer" it again in 2028.

Why would you care about substantive plans to save this country in 2028 when you clearly don't care about them in 2024?  Just more of the same that brought us to 2020.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2024, 11:16:49 pm »
Hoodat complains:
"Why would you care about substantive plans to save this country in 2028 when you clearly don't care about them in 2024?"

Well... because I no longer believe the country can be "saved".
At least not... all of it.

Please take 30 seconds to read this post from yesterday:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,521991.msg2961901.html#msg2961901
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2024, 11:21:03 pm »
I watched Centennial as a teen back when it first aired.  Can't remember much about it now or that episode.  But I have not lost hope yet.  I believe America can be saved.  And 95% of saving it will come from balancing the budget.
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Re: Brutal anti-Trump ad on immigation
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2024, 12:28:49 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 15, 2024, 09:44:34 pm
A Constitutional Amendment would only invite the Dems/Leftists to find workarounds, ignore the Amendment (as they ignore the Law),  and further ignore court rulings that bolster the COnstitution and the AMendments thereto.

Then why didn't they do that with Heller, or with Dobbs, or with the Harvard case?   We can't be defeatist and say that it's no use trying anything because they'll just go around it anyway.

The problem with current policy is that it vests too much discretion in presidential enforcement.  There are things to include that can make it pretty tight, including giving states standing to challenge federal immigration policy and the right to prevent illegal immigration on their own borders.  Expressly overrule Phyler v. Doe And specify that the constitution shall not be construed so as to require either states or the federal government to provide any benefits of any kind, including healthcare and education, to people who entered the country illegally or are awaiting a determination on asylum claims.

Lots of other things we could do to make it much less desirable to try to enter the US illegally.
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