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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2023, 05:11:41 pm »
US Navy Destroyer and Fighters Engage 17 Houthi Missiles and Drones
By streiff | 9:22 PM on December 26, 2023

A US Navy destroyer and several F/A-18 Super Hornet fighters shot down a total of 17 Houthi drones and missiles during a tense 10-hour engagement over the southern Red Sea.

Details of the engagement are sparse, but the Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyer USS Laboon (DDG-58), a member of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower carrier strike group (CSG), as well as several F/A-18 launched from the Eisenhower shot down 12 attack drones, three-antiship missiles and two land attack missiles. The engagement began at 6:30 a.m. local time Tuesday and continued for 10 hours. None of the attacking weapons hit a target.

This is the general location of the engagement. The USS Laboon is the blue dot to the left of the USNS Supply icon...next to the two Iranian ships.


Am I a conspiracy 'nut' for suggesting IRAN fired upon hearing the word "PULL", and the U.S. ship took target practice?

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2023, 05:31:08 pm »
I would guess that our friend  @Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.

@Bigun  @Right_in_Virginia

Once again, I have to stick my nose in here and ask, "why would you even post that?".

Many of the NT Briefers apparently haven't learned their lesson when they suggested she work for the DeSantis Campaign.

Is it because she never loses her cool?  Is it because she's obviously a well-educated, well-traveled and can speak in paragraphs?

LOL...like suggesting @Hoodat  is an arms dealer because he's a "war groupie". 
Or, a direct descendant of the Salem Witch Hunt trial judges, stalking RIV around the forum compulsively 'screaming'... "LIAR!!!" 

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2023, 06:10:12 pm »
@Bigun  @Right_in_Virginia

Once again, I have to stick my nose in here and ask, "why would you even post that?".

Many of the NT Briefers apparently haven't learned their lesson when they suggested she work for the DeSantis Campaign.

Is it because she never loses her cool?  Is it because she's obviously a well-educated, well-traveled and can speak in paragraphs?

LOL...like suggesting @Hoodat  is an arms dealer because he's a "war groupie". 
Or, a direct descendant of the Salem Witch Hunt trial judges, stalking RIV around the forum compulsively 'screaming'... "LIAR!!!" 

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You forgot the sarcasm tag...

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #78 on: December 27, 2023, 06:37:15 pm »
Mowing the grass in Gaza while authorizing and facilitating transfers of US dollars in payments estimated in the billions from Qatar to Hamas was a recipe for disaster from the start.

@Right_in_Virginia

So you're upset that Netanyahu doled out the money that Trump had set aside for Hamas?
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« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2023, 06:41:47 pm »
LOL...like suggesting @Hoodat  is an arms dealer because he's a "war groupie".

@DCPatriot

I prefer the term 'war porn junkie'.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2023, 06:50:01 pm »
I would guess that our friend Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.
Or may as well be.
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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2023, 07:17:12 pm »
Or may as well be.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2023, 07:39:13 pm »
I would guess that our friend @Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.

Putting aside your uncharacteristic snark @Bigun ----- what part do you disagree with?

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For Mr. Security, a bit of war was a political asset ---- perhaps his greatest.  Mowing the grass in Gaza while authorizing and facilitating transfers of US dollars in payments estimated in the billions from Qatar to Hamas was a recipe for disaster from the start.

Netanyahu knew about the tunnels, his governments, his security agencies knew and he was forced to admit they knew when the tunnels became common knowledge during the war in 2014.  Not only didn't Netanyahu destroy them then, he didn't attempt to stop their expansion in the years since. 

Neither did Netanyahu question where the money from Qatar was going.

Netanyahu ignored warnings of an imminent and massive attack from the IDF, as well as from Egypt.  Just days before the Oct 7 attack two IDF commando companies were diverted from the Gaza region to the West Bank to help with unrest there ---- leaving Israelis in the South unprotected for 20 hours. FWIW,  the settlers in the West Bank are part of the political glue holding Netanyahu's tenuous government together.

Yet, by his own admission, Netanyahu knew an attack of this scale was coming since 2017.

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For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our face
Times of Israel, Oct 8, 2023

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

More:  https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

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Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.
NY Times, Dec 10, 2023

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

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Frogmen, hang gliders, kidnapped Israelis’: Netanyahu described Hamas’s plans in 2017
Times of Israel, Dec 22, 2023

Footage of Knesset hearing on 2014 Gaza war shows PM claiming he’d deterred terror group; premier lays out Hamas’s murderous plans, which came to fruition on Oct. 7, in eerie detail

In 2017, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described an onslaught by the Hamas terror group that would prove to be a prescient description of the horrifying events of October 7, but said at the time that his policies had deterred the terror group.

Hebrew-language media published footage on Thursday from a 2017 Knesset meeting in which Netanyahu described the terror group’s plans in eerie detail.

“Hamas has an operational plan for a multi-pronged attack, including thousands of missiles on Israeli cities, naval commando raids, hang gliders and incursions from dozens of tunnels, some of which come up in [Israeli] territory,” Netanyahu said during a hearing held by the parliament’s State Control Committee to discuss a report on the 2014 Gaza war against Hamas.

More:  https://www.timesofisrael.com/frogmen-hang-gliders-kidnapped-israelis-netanyahu-described-hamass-plans-in-2017

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2023, 07:39:57 pm »
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #84 on: December 27, 2023, 07:44:51 pm »
Putting aside your uncharacteristic snark @Bigun ----- what part do you disagree with?

No snark intended or posted. Let's just say that I know how the folks at Foggy Bottom operate and your posts say that you fit the MO. @Right_in_Virginia

You seem to forget that Netanyahu has always had to operate under many of the same conditions that Trump had to face during his presidency.
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« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2023, 07:51:47 pm »
U.S. Navy Shoots Down 12 Houthi Drones and Five Missiles in One Day

The Houthis are members of a jihadi movement that calls itself “Ansar Allah,” the Army of Allah. Its slogan is “Allahu Akbar, Death to the United States, Death to Israel, Curse the Jews, Victory for Islam.” President Joe Biden lifted Ansar Allah’s classification as a terrorist organization in February 2021.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2023, 07:57:53 pm »
U.S. Navy Shoots Down 12 Houthi Drones and Five Missiles in One Day

The Houthis are members of a jihadi movement that calls itself “Ansar Allah,” the Army of Allah. Its slogan is “Allahu Akbar, Death to the United States, Death to Israel, Curse the Jews, Victory for Islam.” President Joe Biden lifted Ansar Allah’s classification as a terrorist organization in February 2021.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2023, 08:00:04 pm »
No snark intended or posted. Let's just say that I know how the folks at Foggy Bottom operate and your posts say that you fit the MO. @Right_in_Virginia

You seem to forget that Netanyahu has always had to operate under many of the same conditions that Trump had to face during his presidency.


What's your disagreement with what I posted @Bigun ?

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« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2023, 08:03:48 pm »
What's your disagreement with what I posted @Bigun ?

I never said I disagreed with any of it @Right_in_Virginia but, unlike you, I recognize the conditions he has been forced to deal with. (Liberals are not unique to the USA.)
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2023, 08:34:59 pm »
I never said I disagreed with any of it @Right_in_Virginia but, unlike you, I recognize the conditions he has been forced to deal with. (Liberals are not unique to the USA.)

FWIW, the timeline of Netanyahu's strategy, decisions and actions don't fit the excuse you're proposing.   :shrug:

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« Reply #90 on: December 28, 2023, 02:12:47 am »
Putting aside your uncharacteristic snark @Bigun ----- what part do you disagree with?

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's start with the first article.  It offers quite a few spurious claims that fly in the face of historical facts.  For example, the author tries to blame Netanyahu for a process that was set up as part of the Oslo Accords in which the international community agreed to contribute funds to the Palestinian territories, only 14% of which came from the US.  So not only was the article factually incorrect in that regard, so was your own statement.

It should also be noted that Hamas has been in power in Gaza since 2007, and thus have been the beneficiaries of the aid mentioned above far longer than the short period mentioned in your propaganda piece.  From an Israeli political standpoint, it made perfect sense to maintain division between the West Bank and Gaza - a political objective which both you and the article falsely identify as funding Hamas.

The propaganda piece offers this ridiculously false claim:  "Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza."

Here is but one account (of dozens upon dozens) from 2019 where Gaza militants launched rocket attacks at Israel:

Qatar's decision comes after the Sunday night ceasefire agreement between Israel and the Gaza Strip terror groups. The 48-hour-long round of fighting cost four Israeli lives and approximately 25 casualties in the Gaza Strip, after some 700 rockets were launched at Israel from the coastal enclave and over 300 targets were bombed by the IDF.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5505549,00.html

Does that sound like "turned a blind eye" to you?

And then there's this from your bullshit propaganda piece:

Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip

The author here simply made up the first lie that popped up in her head - very similar to what you do.  But anyone with a functioning brain would see the idiocy of this considering that Qatar can simply wire in the money, not to mention that ATM machines do the same thing.

I am having trouble gauging which is worse.  The propaganda in this article, or the lies coming from you.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #91 on: December 28, 2023, 02:23:27 am »
U.S. Navy Shoots Down 12 Houthi Drones and Five Missiles in One Day

U.S Navy targets zero Houthi drone and missile launch sites, command centers, etc.
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« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2023, 02:45:49 am »
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The second article - the NY Times piece.  This is basically a regurgitation of blaming Bush for 9/11, except replace the word 'Bush' with 'Netanyahu'.  Hindsight is 20/20.  But keep in mind that these are policies Netanyahu inherited from his predecessors.  And also keep in mind that when faced with the same question of giving all the money to the PA, you yourself said "No".  So I am at a loss at your contempt with Netanyahu considering he did the same thing that you yourself proposed.

From the NY Times article:

As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

As pointed out in the previous post, the political objective here makes sense.  At the time, the PA was by far the stronger faction.  They just didn't have a solid backer like Iran.  The policy has been a continuous demonstration that the Palestinians aren't really interested in a two-state solution.  The only problem with it wasn't Netanyahu.  It was Joe Biden.   It is Biden - not Netanyahu - that empowered Hamas through their backer Iran.  With $60 billion in annual oil revenues now coming in, their support for Hamas makes the Qatar money look like chump change.

More from the NY Times:

Mr. Netanyahu and his security aides slowly began reconsidering their strategy toward the Gaza Strip after several bloody and inconclusive military conflicts there against Hamas.

“Everyone was sick and tired of Gaza,” said Zohar Palti, a former director of intelligence for Mossad. “We all said, ‘Let’s forget about Gaza,’ because we knew it was a deadlock.”

After one of the conflicts, in 2014, Mr. Netanyahu charted a new course — emphasizing a strategy of trying to “contain” Hamas while Israel focused on Iran’s nuclear program and its proxy armies like Hezbollah.

This strategy was buttressed by repeated intelligence assessments that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of launching a significant attack inside Israel.
 


So Netanyahu listened to Mossad's own assessments.  And for this he should be crucified?

But there's more:

Yossi Kuperwasser, a former head of research for Israel’s military intelligence, said that some officials saw the benefits of maintaining an “equilibrium” in the Gaza Strip. “The logic of Israel was that Hamas should be strong enough to rule Gaza,” he said, “but weak enough to be deterred by Israel.”

The administrations of three American presidents — Barack Obama, Donald J. Trump and Joseph R. Biden Jr. — broadly supported having the Qataris playing a direct role in funding Gaza operations.

Well how do you like that?  Obama, Trump, and Biden were all on board with it.  Go figure.  The things you learn by reading through the links you post.  Have you ever considered reading them yourself before posting?  (Don't answer that.  It was rhetorical.)
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« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2023, 02:52:36 am »
Article 3 shows that the Oct 7 attack was a confirmation that Netanyahu was right all along.  Maybe they should have left him in office instead of driving him out of office and trying to lock him up.  Sound familiar?
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« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2023, 03:25:41 am »
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A Massive Operation by the Israel Defense Force is taking place throughout the West Bank tonight, as Hundreds of Armored Vehicles and Thousands of Troops have Stormed several Cities across the Region including Jenin, Nablus, Hebron, Ramallah, and Jericho in what appears to be an attempt to Mass Arrest known Hamas and PIJ Terrorists; Heavy Fighting has been reported in many of these Cities where the Operation is taking place.


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This is believed to likely be the Largest-Scale Combat Operation by the IDF in the West Bank since at least the October 7th Massacre, and possibly since Operation Defensive Shield during the Second Intifada in 2002.


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« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2023, 07:58:50 am »
Article 3 shows that the Oct 7 attack was a confirmation that Netanyahu was right all along. 

As Netanyahu confirmed in 2017, the plans for the October 7 style attack came out of the war in 2014.  He predicted the scope of the horror coming Israel's way with "eerie" accuracy.  Yet, he took no preventive action to protect his nation. 

Instead, under his tenures as Prime Minister he lived his "Buying Quiet" policy and kept sending Mossad to facilitate the audit-free transfer of estimated billions of dollars from Qater to Hamas (for 10 years, through September of this year); the tunnels expanded into fortresses around and into Israel and in plain view Hamas built a modernized, well-equipped military.  Netanyahu ignored it all -- he had what he was buying;  he had quiet. 

"Quiet" for Netanyahu meant no calls for two states and he could focus on turning the West Bank into pre-2005 Gaza. He was quite pleased with himself and his winning strategy.

When the warnings about an attack from Hamas were received from the IDF and also from Egypt, Netanyahu not only ignored them, just days before the onslaught two commando companies were relocated from the Gaza region to the West Bank to assist his political base ---- leaving Israelis under attack to wait 20 hours for help to arrive.

Sure,  the attack was just as the Prime Minister predicted it would be --- it was by air, land, tunnel and sea with rampant destruction, murder, assault and the taking of hostages.  But, how is the Prime Minister's long role in setting this horror into motion something to celebrate as "being right all along"?






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« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2023, 12:56:21 pm »
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« Reply #97 on: December 28, 2023, 01:03:06 pm »
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IDF troops operated in the area of Daraj Tuffah, Gaza City:

🔺After RPG missiles were fired from inside a building toward an IDF vehicle, our troops struck terrorist infrastructure located inside the building.

🔺The IAF struck an anti-tank missile launch site where terrorist operatives were located.

🔺IDF troops eliminated terrorists in both ground and aerial strikes over the last two days.

🔺Following searches of the residence from which terrorists shot at our troops, IDF forces located the following weapons:


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« Reply #98 on: December 28, 2023, 02:48:07 pm »
Maya Schem, 21, who was kidnapped by Hamas from the Supernova music festival and was badly injured during the attack, and was operated on by a veterinarian, was held by a family of civilians for 54 days.

“It was important to me to relay the truth about the nature of the people who live in Gaza, who they are truly are, and what I experienced there. They are all complicit..and it’s like one big Hamas family.”

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« Reply #99 on: December 28, 2023, 02:50:25 pm »
A Hamas tunnel shaft was found inside a mosque in Gaza.

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