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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1550 on: October 17, 2025, 03:47:03 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on October 17, 2025, 02:13:18 pm
That "Z Crimea" story sounds dodgy to me.  Most people don't even know what or where Crimea even is, much less what the Z means.  If so, then I don't think anybody should get fired over a stupid license plate.  but there's always more to the story.

Yeah agreed. Ridiculous.
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« Reply #1551 on: October 17, 2025, 04:35:26 pm »
I guess The Charge of the Light Brigade isn't read much any more.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1552 on: October 17, 2025, 08:11:07 pm »
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💥👊 Update: The result of the successful actions of the SSO of Ukraine —destruction of an oil depot in the village of Gvardiyske and FDKU of Gvardiyske plant in the village of Kar’erne, Saky district.


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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1553 on: October 17, 2025, 08:14:00 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1554 on: October 17, 2025, 08:15:54 pm »
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« Reply #1555 on: October 17, 2025, 08:17:18 pm »
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« Reply #1556 on: October 17, 2025, 08:19:13 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1557 on: October 17, 2025, 08:33:11 pm »
Ukraine’s Dozor Unit Ambushes and Annihilates Russia’s Elite Senezh Special Ops Troops in Sumy Region

Vlad Litnarovych  |  Oct 17, 2025  |  14:55

Ukrainian forces have eliminated a sabotage group from Russia’s elite Senezh Special Operations Center in the Sumy region, military correspondent Andriy Tsaplienko reported on October 16.

According to Tsaplienko, the unit—part of the 3rd Directorate of the “Senezh” Center—had been operating across the Kharkiv, Sumy, and Chernihiv regions, conducting raids against civilians and Ukrainian troops.

Russian unit’s mission ended abruptly when they were ambushed by Ukraine’s State Border Guard special unit “Dozor,” supported by fighters of the 105th Territorial Defense Brigade.

“The Ukrainian response was swift and decisive,” Tsaplienko noted. The Russian unit’s commander was eliminated in the clash, along with five other members, while eight more were wounded.

The identities and callsigns of the eliminated Russian operatives were later confirmed: “Teacher” (the commander), “Djambul,” “Varus,” “Hryha,” “Voron,” “Harley,” “Filin,” “Armen,” “Fakir,” “Hacker,” “Henry,” and “Khrust.”

One of the Russian special forces soldiers reportedly filmed himself after being wounded in the clash.  .  .  .

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraines-dozor-unit-ambushes-and-annihilates-russias-elite-senezh-special-ops-troops-in-sumy-region-12587
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1558 on: October 17, 2025, 08:43:04 pm »
Russians Start Equipping Shahed Drones with Air-Burst Warheads

Vladislav V.  |  October 7, 2025  |  10:37

The Russians have started mounting a new fragmentation–high‑explosive warhead with an air‑burst capability on Shahed (Geran) kamikaze drones.

The Telegram channel Mines and Coffee with Sandwiches reported the development.

According to the source, the enemy has recently started outfitting its drones with modernized warheads.

The warhead casing measures 300 mm in diameter and 375 mm in length. The external surface shows batch markings, the manufacturer’s identification, and a yellow line.

Preformed fragments are located in the upper section of the casing. The lower section features three filler necks and six threaded bolts for mounting an inertia‑type base fuze, model 493M.

The explosive is described as a plastisol charge – likely OLA or LP‑30T – however, the exact mass and weight of the charge are currently unknown. The author of the post estimates it at roughly 50 kilograms.

In addition, a LiDAR sensor was found in the casing, which may indicate the capability for an air‑burst detonation above the target at a predetermined altitude.

This suggests that the new warhead is designed not only for contact detonation but also to enhance the effectiveness of fragmentation‑high‑explosive damage through detonation at a predetermined altitude.

The use of such warheads may be driven by the need to target objects protected by anti-drone structures, such as nets.

Furthermore, this could be employed for strikes on areas, maximizing damage to people, buildings, vehicles, and other objects.  .  .  .

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russians-start-equipping-shahed-drones-with-air-burst-warheads/



The better to kill civilians with.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1559 on: October 17, 2025, 08:43:33 pm »
A Russian Pantsir system hit something other than a Russian apartment building? I guess the MiG is big enough for the SAM system to "see".
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1560 on: October 18, 2025, 09:46:55 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on October 17, 2025, 08:43:33 pm
A Russian Pantsir system hit something other than a Russian apartment building? I guess the MiG is big enough for the SAM system to "see".

Its not a MiG. its a Sukhoi, hence the SU designation.
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« Reply #1561 on: October 18, 2025, 10:59:16 am »


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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1562 on: October 18, 2025, 02:39:41 pm »
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Any absurd attempt at drawing a moral equivalency between Russia and Ukraine defies all logic and common sense, and it must stop.

If someone invades your home, murders your family, kidnaps your children, and burns down your house, no one should expect the homeowner to “get along” with the home invader and “make a deal.”  There is only one “deal.” Good, honorable, and decent neighbors come to the aid of the homeowner, the home invader is removed, isolated, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Not just to achieve justice in that individual instance, but also to send a clear message to all other would-be home invaders that they will never, ever be rewarded for their bad behavior. Not now. Not ever. 

This is basic Patriotic Common Sense. This is basic law enforcement. This is basic Peace Through Strength. There is no moral equivalency between good and evil. We need moral clarity, both at home and abroad, now more than ever. 

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1563 on: October 18, 2025, 02:43:39 pm »
Austria to back EU's new Russia sanctions, clearing hurdle

October 18, 2025  |  9:17 AM EDT  |  Updated 5 hours ago

FRANKFURT/BRUSSELS, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Austria said on Saturday that it would agree to the European Union's latest sanctions package against Russia, in an about-face of its earlier stance and removing a key hurdle ahead of a vote early next week.

EU foreign ministers are due to convene on Monday in Luxembourg when they hope to finalise the bloc's 19th sanctions package against Moscow for its invasion of Ukraine.

Reuters reported earlier this month the passage of the package was deadlocked because Austria was demanding that the EU unfreeze some Russian assets to compensate Austria's Raiffeisen Bank International (RBIV.VI), opens new tab for penalties imposed by Russia.

But other EU governments would not go along. The package needs unanimous support from the EU's 27 member states.
"Austria supports continued pressure on Russia and will approve the 19th package of sanctions on Monday," the country's foreign ministry said in a statement.

The sanctions package includes an array of energy and financial measures, including a ban on Russian liquefied natural gas from January 1, 2027, bringing forward the date from January 1, 2028.

Slovakia has also voiced reservations about it, but four EU diplomats said the European Commission was expected to issue a letter on Monday that should address Slovakia's concerns.  .  .

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austria-back-eus-new-russia-sanctions-clearing-hurdle-2025-10-18/
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1564 on: October 18, 2025, 08:20:23 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 18, 2025, 02:39:41 pm
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick 🇺🇸
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Any absurd attempt at drawing a moral equivalency between Russia and Ukraine defies all logic and common sense, and it must stop.

If someone invades your home, murders your family, kidnaps your children, and burns down your house, no one should expect the homeowner to “get along” with the home invader and “make a deal.”  There is only one “deal.” Good, honorable, and decent neighbors come to the aid of the homeowner, the home invader is removed, isolated, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Not just to achieve justice in that individual instance, but also to send a clear message to all other would-be home invaders that they will never, ever be rewarded for their bad behavior. Not now. Not ever. 

This is basic Patriotic Common Sense. This is basic law enforcement. This is basic Peace Through Strength. There is no moral equivalency between good and evil. We need moral clarity, both at home and abroad, now more than ever. 

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1565 on: October 18, 2025, 09:55:08 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 18, 2025, 02:39:41 pm
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick 🇺🇸
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Any absurd attempt at drawing a moral equivalency between Russia and Ukraine defies all logic and common sense, and it must stop.

If someone invades your home, murders your family, kidnaps your children, and burns down your house, no one should expect the homeowner to “get along” with the home invader and “make a deal.”  There is only one “deal.” Good, honorable, and decent neighbors come to the aid of the homeowner, the home invader is removed, isolated, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Not just to achieve justice in that individual instance, but also to send a clear message to all other would-be home invaders that they will never, ever be rewarded for their bad behavior. Not now. Not ever. 

This is basic Patriotic Common Sense. This is basic law enforcement. This is basic Peace Through Strength. There is no moral equivalency between good and evil. We need moral clarity, both at home and abroad, now more than ever. 


That's EXACTLY right, which is why it is so troubling that so many supposed Conservatives are demanding that the Ukrainians surrender to the Russians simply because the war is too damned expensive or inconvenient.

What happened to American Exceptionalism and the U.S. being the beacon of light for the world, standing against tyranny and injustice, and promoting the ideals of freedom and liberty? I guess that's all just passe now.

And what would Reagan say and do about Putin and his invasion?
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1566 on: Today at 08:46:09 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 18, 2025, 02:39:41 pm
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick 🇺🇸
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Any absurd attempt at drawing a moral equivalency between Russia and Ukraine defies all logic and common sense, and it must stop.

If someone invades your home, murders your family, kidnaps your children, and burns down your house, no one should expect the homeowner to “get along” with the home invader and “make a deal.”  There is only one “deal.” Good, honorable, and decent neighbors come to the aid of the homeowner, the home invader is removed, isolated, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Not just to achieve justice in that individual instance, but also to send a clear message to all other would-be home invaders that they will never, ever be rewarded for their bad behavior. Not now. Not ever. 

This is basic Patriotic Common Sense. This is basic law enforcement. This is basic Peace Through Strength. There is no moral equivalency between good and evil. We need moral clarity, both at home and abroad, now more than ever. 

#PatrioticCommonSense 🇺🇸
#PeaceThroughStrength 🇺🇸

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« Reply #1567 on: Today at 11:26:28 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 18, 2025

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The Kremlin reiterated its commitment to Russia's war demands that amount to Ukraine's full capitulation in response to US President Donald Trump's October 17 proposal for peace in Ukraine. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev responded on October 18 on his English and Russian language social media accounts to Trump's October 17 call for both Russia and Ukraine to each “claim victory” in Ukraine.

Medvedev claimed that this call is not applicable to Russia and that Russia needs a victory “with the conditions everyone knows.

Medvedev is likely referring to the Kremlin's consistent pre-war demands to install a pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine, Ukrainian neutrality and NATO abandoning its open-door policy, and limiting the size of Ukraine's military as such that Ukraine could not defend itself against future Russian aggression.


Kremlin officials and mouthpieces broadly reacted to the October 17 meeting between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky by cautiously reiterating Kremlin informational lines that aim to divide Ukraine from Western support and justify continuing its war in Ukraine.

Russian officials expressed cautious optimism about Trump's reported decision against provisioning Ukraine with Tomahawk missiles at this time, but Medvedev hedged that US weapon deliveries will continue to Ukraine, however.

Russian Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR) Head and Duma Deputy Leonid Slutsky claimed on October 18 that Trump's reported decision against providing Tomahawks to Ukraine was due to his October 16 call with Russian President Vladimir Putin, in which Putin offered to meet with Trump in Hungary, claiming Trump's reported decision as a victory for Putin.

Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) CEO and key Kremlin negotiator Kirill Dmitriev reiterated his October 16 and 17 US-Russian bilateral economic proposals following the Trump-Zelensky meeting, continuing efforts to incentivize economic cooperation in exchange for Trump giving up the peace effort and allowing Putin to continue his war in Ukraine without US pressure.[7]


Ukraine's October 2025 strikes against an oil terminal in occupied Feodosia, Crimea, appear to have significantly degraded the terminal, and it is unclear when or if Russia will be able to repair it. Planet satellite imagery captured on October 17 and published on October 18 shows significant damage to multiple fuel tanks at the Feodosia oil terminal following Ukrainian strikes against the terminal on October 6, 7, and 13.

Ukraine-based open source intelligence (OSINT) organization Frontelligence Insight, assessed that the October 2025 Ukrainian strikes destroyed ... 19 total main tanks and 6 smaller day or additive tanks at the Feodosia oil terminal are damaged as of October 17 ...


Russian state media reported that the majority of Russian drivers expect further increases in gasoline prices as Ukraine continues its long-range strike campaign against Russian fuel infrastructure. Russian state business outlet Gazeta dot ru reported on October 18 that a poll from online finance platform WEBBANKIR found that 74 percent of Russian drivers have “noticed” gasoline price increases since August 2025 and that 90 percent expect further increases.

The poll found that 56 percent of Russian drivers consider the price increases significant, and that 18.9% have encountered empty gas stations. The poll found that roughly 40% of Russian drivers have changed their driving habits due to the price increases, and that 38% have begun buying cheaper fuel. Gazeta.ru noted that gasoline prices have risen 10% since January 2025 - the sharpest increase in 15 years.

Russian Union of Auto Services Head Yuriy Valko claimed on October 16 that Russian gas stations are increasingly selling low-quality gasoline ...

ISW continues to assess that Ukraine's strike campaign against Russian energy infrastructure is impacting Russia's domestic gasoline market, exacerbating shortages, and causing price spikes that will likely push inflation upwards and create further macroeconomic instability in Russia.

It is noteworthy that Russian state media is openly admitting that gasoline shortages are impacting the majority of drivers, as it suggests that the shortages are becoming increasingly acute.


Ukraine and Russia agreed to a localized ceasefire in western Zaporizhia Oblast to repair the remaining power line to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) amid Russian preparations to transfer the ZNPP to the Russian power grid ...

A Russian social media commentator claimed on October 18 that Russian authorities continue to delay preparations to transfer the ZNPP to the Russian power grid, and that Russian shelling cuts off power to the ZNPP, which depends on the Dniprovska power line running through Ukrainian-controlled territory ... claimed that Russian authorities are currently working to connect the ZNPP to Russia's newly constructed 201-kilometer power line that will complete the full integration of the occupied ZNPP to Russia's power grid, but noted that this will reportedly take several weeks.

ISW continues to assess that Russia's eventual integration of the ZNPP into the Russian power grid will pose significant risks to nuclear security at the plant and allow Russia to seize Ukrainian energy generation assets for its own benefit.


https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-18-2025/
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« Reply #1569 on: Today at 11:29:34 am »
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Ukraine’s Naval Forces reportedly destroyed a Russian unmanned surface vehicle - a kamikaze sea drone - in the Black Sea for the first time. Short video at link.

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1570 on: Today at 11:44:37 am »
Trump envoy pushes Ukraine to surrender Donetsk to Russia
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Sun, October 19, 2025 at 6:15 AM CDT

Donald Trump’s lead negotiator has been pushing Volodymyr Zelensky to hand over the entire Donetsk region to Russia in order to end the war in Ukraine, it has emerged.

Steve Witkoff, who has met with Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, five times this year, told the Ukrainian delegation visiting the White House last Friday to surrender the territory its forces control.

It is one of the key demands made by Putin, who made clear in a phone call with Mr Trump last week that he still wants Ukraine to give up the stretch of land as a precondition for peace, The Washington Post reported.

However, the surrender of Donetsk is a red line for Ukraine, which has long refused to cede the territory, which Russia has failed to capture despite fighting since 2014.

Kyiv still holds about a quarter of Donetsk province. The land makes up part of the so-called “fortress belt”, a string of heavily defended towns that blocks Russia from making rapid westward advances towards the capital.

In a meeting at the Oval Office, Mr Witkoff, whose official title is special envoy to the Middle East, noted that most of the population in Donetsk grew up speaking Russian, two senior officials familiar with the conversation told The Washington Post.

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« Reply #1571 on: Today at 12:05:19 pm »
Giant Russian gas plant suspends intake from Kazakhstan after Ukrainian drone strike

MOSCOW, Oct 19 (Reuters) - The Orenburg gas processing plant, the largest facility of its kind in the world, has been forced to suspend its intake of gas from Kazakhstan after a Ukrainian drone attack, Kazakhstan's energy ministry said on Sunday.
Orenburg regional governor Yevgeny Solntsev had said earlier on Sunday that the plant had been partially damaged and that the drone strike had caused a fire to break out at a workshop at the plant. The fire was later put out, Russian media outlet Kommersant reported, citing the operator.

Ukraine, which confirmed it hit a gas processing plant in the Orenburg region and an oil refinery in the Samara region, has stepped up its attacks on Russian refineries and other energy facilities since August to try to disrupt petrol supplies and deprive Moscow of funding.
Ukrainian military said there were explosions and fire at the site.
It is the first reported strike on the plant, which forms part of the Orenburg gas chemical complex.
The facility, operated by Gazprom, has an annual processing capacity of 45 billion cubic metres and handles gas condensate from both the Orenburg oil and gas field and Kazakhstan’s Karachaganak field................

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Trump envoy pushes Ukraine to surrender Donetsk to Russia
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Donald Trump’s lead negotiator has been pushing Volodymyr Zelensky to hand over the entire Donetsk region to Russia in order to end the war in Ukraine, it has emerged.

Steve Witkoff, who has met with Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, five times this year, told the Ukrainian delegation visiting the White House last Friday to surrender the territory its forces control.

It is one of the key demands made by Putin, who made clear in a phone call with Mr Trump last week that he still wants Ukraine to give up the stretch of land as a precondition for peace, The Washington Post reported.

However, the surrender of Donetsk is a red line for Ukraine, which has long refused to cede the territory, which Russia has failed to capture despite fighting since 2014.

Kyiv still holds about a quarter of Donetsk province. The land makes up part of the so-called “fortress belt”, a string of heavily defended towns that blocks Russia from making rapid westward advances towards the capital.

In a meeting at the Oval Office, Mr Witkoff, whose official title is special envoy to the Middle East, noted that most of the population in Donetsk grew up speaking Russian, two senior officials familiar with the conversation told The Washington Post.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-envoy-pushes-ukraine-hand-111519271.html

Always willing to sell people out.  The Romans would have gotten Jesus for considerably cheaper if these people had been around back in the day.
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« Reply #1573 on: Today at 01:47:10 pm »
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In a meeting at the Oval Office, Mr Witkoff, whose official title is special envoy to the Middle East, noted that most of the population in Donetsk grew up speaking Russian, two senior officials familiar with the conversation told The Washington Post.


Witkoff's a friggin' moron.  He doesn't know a damned thing about Ukraine's geography, ethnicities, or demographics. 

Zelensky's first language is also Russian. 

What an idiot.
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« Reply #1574 on: Today at 01:58:53 pm »
Just saw this story...looks like that meeting was even worse than originally reported:

Trump urged Zelenskyy to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’ by Russia

https://www.ft.com/content/7960c6aa-dbfa-4a55-91e8-ae44601842ec

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Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.

The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.

They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.

Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.

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During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.

According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that Putin had told him the conflict was a “special operation, not even a war”, adding that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.

The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”

At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said. According to the official, Trump said he was “sick” of seeing the map of the frontline of Ukraine again and again.

“This red line, I don’t even know where this is. I’ve never been there,” Trump said, according to the official.


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« Reply #1575 on: Today at 02:01:23 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on Today at 01:58:53 pm
Just saw this story...looks like that meeting was even worse than originally reported:

Trump urged Zelenskyy to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’ by Russia

https://www.ft.com/content/7960c6aa-dbfa-4a55-91e8-ae44601842ec

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Obviously a bad look for Trump but this is heresay so be cautious, this might be bs.
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« Reply #1576 on: Today at 02:05:27 pm »
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Obviously a bad look for Trump but this is heresay so be cautious, this might be bs.

It seems to align with the Telegraph story up above though.  If so, then somebody was lying in the meeting's aftermath.
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« Reply #1577 on: Today at 02:08:47 pm »
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It seems to align with the Telegraph story up above though.  If so, then somebody was lying in the meeting's aftermath.

We'll see what becomes of this. There is a definite difference between negotiating and being  given an ultimatum.
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I really hope this isn't a real picture...

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« Reply #1581 on: Today at 05:37:24 pm »
Well it looks like the US just became a Russian outpost giving Putin even more territory to rule. 47 is an idiot sucking up all the borscht Putin can dish out. Wittlesscougher is just another jumped up real estate salesman - a pair to draw to evidently.

47 shows that he no longer believes in freedom, loves invaders and hates people who fight them.

We will know its all over for Ukraine, as far as the US goes, when 47 cuts them off from all US munitions.

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I really hope this isn't a real picture...



If it is real, how soon will Hegseth be sending arms and munitions to Russia so it can take the rest of Europe?
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« Reply #1583 on: Today at 06:32:41 pm »
https://www.enseccoe.org/publications/ukraines-resources/

Distribution of mineral resources in Ukraine:
(Like most places, mineral resources are not evenly distributed. Many of Ukraine's principal ore bodies are in the East. Much more info at the link.

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