Trump to take money from college endowments for government-run "American Academy"

[catfish1957]

@Sighlass

Sorry, I'm late to this party --- Steve and I were out with friends for dinner.  Place had pretty good food and a piano player ---- both always make me smile. 

The anti-Trumps seemed to enjoy the thread even without my help.  Ah, it's nice to see the grasshoppers are growing up.

Thank you for thinking of me.  Maybe next time. 


Cc:  @DCPatriot  ♥️

I will have too give you back handed props for your ability to defend the indefensible.  If I was a paid operative, I might be careful what I said too.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I will have too give you back handed props for your ability to defend the indefensible.  If I was a paid operative, I might be careful what I said too.

If I was a paid operative posting on a privately-owned website, I'd either directly confirm or deny that status if asked.  If the terms of me accepting payment are that I don't answer such question, I'd refuse the job. Anything else is just dishonest because the premise of publicly posting is that you are engaging in honest debate.

If someone confirms that status, then at least you know what you're getting into if you choose to engage in discussions with that person.

[DCPatriot]

The reason Hillsdale College is such a great school is because they don't receive any government money.  Yet now you advocate that the Federal government come in and seize money from other private schools at the point of a gun and give that money to Hillsdale?  Wow.  Just wow.  The Democrat is strong in you.

You're getting frantic, @Hoodat ...not a good look for you.   

I didn't say that at all.   Said that "Hillsdale" being the franchise model in terms of curriculum and subject matter would be a great success if one could pull it off.

Any expansion of federal government into "education" is verboten for me.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Any expansion of federal government into "education" is verboten for me.

Well said.

More broadly, I believe this proposal reveals a blindness on the part of MAGA regarding how levers of government power created by Trump to advance his agenda can and will be used by subsequent Democratic Administrations to advance their agenda.

I just don't think Trump himself, and apparently a lot of others, truly understand that.  Or they just don't care.  Trump and many (NOT all) of his supporters are willing to cross all these lines to "Make America Great Again", but that ultimately will hand the leftists the tools they need to end our country as we know it.

That pretty much sums up why I personally can't vote for the guy.  I know it must seem like a lot of us "just don't get" the current threats to our country, and are too concerned with the niceties.  But I think it's the opposite.  We know that the tools and methods Trump uses today are the real threat, as they will turned against us the moment Democrats are back in power.  And that's why the fight has to be for limited government, not for big government that temporarily does "good things".

Not trying to start an argument, but I just thought that this particular proposal is a great example of the reasoning behind our positions.   You obviously disagree with our broader point about Trump, and that's fine.

[catfish1957]

Well said.

More broadly, I believe this proposal reveals a blindness on the part of MAGA regarding how levers of government power created by Trump to advance his agenda can and will be used by subsequent Democratic Administrations to advance their agenda.

I just don't think Trump himself, and apparently a lot of others, truly understand that.  Or they just don't care.  Trump and many of his supporters are willing to cross all these lines to "Make America Great Again", but that ultimately will hand the leftists the tools they need to end our country as we know it.

That pretty much sums up why I personally can't vote for the guy.  I know it must seem like a lot of us "just don't get" the current threats to our country, and are too concerned with the niceties.  But I think it's the opposite.  We know that the tolls and methods Trump uses today is what will end up handing the left their victory.

I've always considered @DCPatriot objectively and intellectually honest on matters.  Unlike, uh....  (censored)

I mean even in the day, I wasn't 100.00% aligned and agreeable with Reagan, including his amnesty call.

[LMAO]

If Trump attempted this, the courts would more than likely squash it

I don’t believe a President Trump would try this. Just like I don’t believe he’ll put his Freedom Cities in place or his MAGA breeding money

But it’s a clear window into the mind of him and what he thinks the role of the federal government is

And that’s alarming to me just as much as the leftist belief system

[unite for individuality]

I believe this proposal reveals a blindness on the part of MAGA regarding how levers of government power created by Trump to advance his agenda can and will be used by subsequent Democratic Administrations to advance their agenda.

I just don't think Trump himself, and apparently a lot of others, truly understand that.

There is a scene in the movie "Argo" that describes Trump's idea very well.
Tony and Jack are proposing a plan to rescue six hostages being held in Iran.
This is their conversation with the CIA official:

Tony Mendez: “There are only bad options. It’s about finding the best one.”

CIA Official: “You don’t have a better bad idea than this?”

Jack O’Donnell: “This is the best bad idea we have, sir, by far.”

[catfish1957]

There is a scene in the movie "Argo" that describes Trump's idea very well.
Tony and Jack are proposing a plan to rescue six hostages being held in Iran.
This is their conversation with the CIA official:

Tony Mendez: “There are only bad options. It’s about finding the best one.”

CIA Official: “You don’t have a better bad idea than this?”

Jack O’Donnell: “This is the best bad idea we have, sir, by far.”

Yep, and this is the point of the plot line where things get Randian , and we need to get the hell out and form Galtville.

[GtHawk]

If Trump attempted this, the courts would more than likely squash it

I don’t believe a President Trump would try this. Just like I don’t believe he’ll put his Freedom Cities in place or his MAGA breeding money

But it’s a clear window into the mind of him and what he thinks the role of the federal government is

And that’s alarming to me just as much as the leftist belief system

This says to me that Trump would be no different than the dictator of a socialist nation that seizes whatever they want for 'the good of the people'....or whatever

[catfish1957]

This says to me that Trump would be no different than the dictator of a socialist nation that seizes whatever they want for 'the good of the people'....or whatever

Also it says to me, he will say everything  and anything, no matter how idiotic to get elected.

For somone who claims not to be a politican, he is out sleazing the best of them.

[DCPatriot]

Well said.

More broadly, I believe this proposal reveals a blindness on the part of MAGA regarding how levers of government power created by Trump to advance his agenda can and will be used by subsequent Democratic Administrations to advance their agenda.

I just don't think Trump himself, and apparently a lot of others, truly understand that.  Or they just don't care.  Trump and many (NOT all) of his supporters are willing to cross all these lines to "Make America Great Again", but that ultimately will hand the leftists the tools they need to end our country as we know it.

That pretty much sums up why I personally can't vote for the guy.  I know it must seem like a lot of us "just don't get" the current threats to our country, and are too concerned with the niceties.  But I think it's the opposite.  We know that the tools and methods Trump uses today are the real threat, as they will turned against us the moment Democrats are back in power.  And that's why the fight has to be for limited government, not for big government that temporarily does "good things".

Not trying to start an argument, but I just thought that this particular proposal is a great example of the reasoning behind our positions.   You obviously disagree with our broader point about Trump, and that's fine.

I LOL when I see how they try to paint "MAGA" supporters as 'racist', rednecks...

All I want from "MAGA" is to have our country energy independent and be engaged in fair trade policies.

My Mandarin Oranges from COSTCO are grown in Peru...packed in Vietnam...then sold in Maryland!   

[libertybele]

This says to me that Trump would be no different than the dictator of a socialist nation that seizes whatever they want for 'the good of the people'....or whatever

It certainly appears that way.  I'd like to remind people that Trump vowed that we'd never be a socialist entity under his leadership.

I'd say Donald is a lying dog faced pony solider.  This is not the first time that he has backpedaled on his positions on certain issues.

He indeed is wanting to become a dictator and I'd say he feels 'entitled'.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I've always considered @DCPatriot objectively and intellectually honest on matters.  Unlike, uh....  (censored)

I mean even in the day, I wasn't 100.00% aligned and agreeable with Reagan, including his amnesty call.

Reagan himself admitted that was the biggest mistake of his presidency.

The only way a deal like that can ever work is via a constitutional amendment.  I think there are ways to do it via amendment that could actually work, but getting agreement would be tough.

[libertybele]

I LOL when I see how they try to paint "MAGA" supporters as 'racist', rednecks...

All I want from "MAGA" is to have our country energy independent and be engaged in fair trade policies.

My Mandarin Oranges from COSTCO are grown in Peru...packed in Vietnam...then sold in Maryland!   

@DCPatriot sure I agree with you on the energy independence and fair trade policies; but DJT wants socialistic practices in place...there's just no denying that. 

I don't like the fact that most of the produce around here (and you have to shop carefully) is from Mexico, Honduras or Guatemala.    I get that -- but DJT wants to dictate and walk us into socialism.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

If Trump attempted this, the courts would more than likely squash it.

I don’t believe a President Trump would try this. Just like I don’t believe he’ll put his Freedom Cities in place or his MAGA breeding money

But it’s a clear window into the mind of him and what he thinks the role of the federal government is

And that’s alarming to me just as much as the leftist belief system

I agree.

I rationalized my prior support for Trump because of the bolded - because his nuttier proposals likely would never be enacted, they were irrelevant.  It's one of the arguments I used to use against anti-Trump Republicans.

But I've changed my mind.  If there is a battle of ideas, there has to be an opposition to bad ideas or they will eventually prevail.  Even if Trump can't get his nuttier proposals passed, his advocacy of them makes people more open to those ideas.  That opens the door to Democrats trying the exact same thing later, and maybe with a different Supreme Court, they can get them through.

Demagoguery works because it undermines essential values and ideas.  It has to be opposed for that reason.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I LOL when I see how they try to paint "MAGA" supporters as 'racist', rednecks...

All I want from "MAGA" is to have our country energy independent and be engaged in fair trade policies.

My Mandarin Oranges from COSTCO are grown in Peru...packed in Vietnam...then sold in Maryland!   

Some of the criticisms of the MAGA movement clearly are over the top. I detest the flippant accusations of racism as much as anyone, and been arguing consistently that the legal cases is against him generally are B.S..

But those invalid criticisms of Trump don't invalidate the criticisms that do have merit.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yep, and this is the point of the plot line where things get Randian , and we need to get the hell out and form Galtville.

Except Galt's Gultch was a rather cheap plot device that enable her to create a positive ending.  Truth is, there really is nowhere else to go, and nowhere to hide.

[catfish1957]

Except Galt's Gultch was a rather cheap plot device that enable her to create a positive ending.  Truth is, there really is nowhere else to go, and nowhere to hide.

Man you really know how to kill a buzz don't you?   

Honestly, though if you've prepped well enough, surivival might be palatable.

[mountaineer]

Except Galt's Gultch was a rather cheap plot device that enable her to create a positive ending.  Truth is, there really is nowhere else to go, and nowhere to hide.

I had that thought as I read it: where on earth would we find this place that doesn't actually exist? 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I had that thought as I read it: where on earth would we find this place that doesn't actually exist? 

In Colorado.  And magically, nobody could find it because of some secret inviso-field.

Great book for advancing some great ideas.  But way too many people take it too literally.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

There is a scene in the movie "Argo" that describes Trump's idea very well.
Tony and Jack are proposing a plan to rescue six hostages being held in Iran.
This is their conversation with the CIA official:

Tony Mendez: “There are only bad options. It’s about finding the best one.”

CIA Official: “You don’t have a better bad idea than this?”

Jack O’Donnell: “This is the best bad idea we have, sir, by far.”

I get the analogy, but I think this is closer to being the worst of the bad ideas.

[LMAO]

Well said.

More broadly, I believe this proposal reveals a blindness on the part of MAGA regarding how levers of government power created by Trump to advance his agenda can and will be used by subsequent Democratic Administrations to advance their agenda.

I just don't think Trump himself, and apparently a lot of others, truly understand that.  Or they just don't care.  Trump and many (NOT all) of his supporters are willing to cross all these lines to "Make America Great Again", but that ultimately will hand the leftists the tools they need to end our country as we know it.

That pretty much sums up why I personally can't vote for the guy.  I know it must seem like a lot of us "just don't get" the current threats to our country, and are too concerned with the niceties.  But I think it's the opposite.  We know that the tools and methods Trump uses today are the real threat, as they will turned against us the moment Democrats are back in power.  And that's why the fight has to be for limited government, not for big government that temporarily does "good things".

Not trying to start an argument, but I just thought that this particular proposal is a great example of the reasoning behind our positions.   You obviously disagree with our broader point about Trump, and that's fine.

This isn’t just the mindset with the MAGA movement. A few years back, there was a Democrat in the statehouse of California, that proposed legislation that would make reposting “fake news” a crime. I was having an online discussion with somebody who actually supported that idea. When I asked that individual if they would be OK with Donald Trump having that power to decide what fake news is, I don’t know if I changed their mind, but hopefully at least a lightbulb went off into their head

I actually see that a lot. People support the things that their party does and excuses them, but then become outrage when the other side does the same thing

Always be careful what you advocate for today. So far, I’ve only seen one post by somebody who actively supported what Trump is proposing here.

[unite for individuality]

This is not the first time that he has backpedaled on his positions on certain issues.

I think you're on to something here.
There were several times where it appeared that Trump proposed a "crazy" idea,
never really intending to do it, but was just trolling the libs.
Me, I really do enjoy the entertainment of watching Trump make the libs' heads explode!

It's actually a pretty smart strategy to keep the opposition trying to guess
what IS he going to do?
It tends to intimidate them from trying to carry out some of THEIR nefarious schemes.

We could use a military analogy here. An army sometimes attacks Point A
to get the enemy to respond to that attack.
The army then launches their main attack on Point B,
which the enemy has left undefended, responding to the fake attack on Point A.

[LMAO]

I think you're on to something here.
There were several times where it appeared that Trump proposed a "crazy" idea,
never really intending to do it, but was just trolling the libs.
Me, I really do enjoy the entertainment of watching Trump make the libs' heads explode!

It's actually a pretty smart strategy to keep the opposition trying to guess
what IS he going to do?
It tends to intimidate them from trying to carry out some of THEIR nefarious schemes.

We could use a military analogy here. An army sometimes attacks Point A
to get the enemy to respond to that attack.
The army then launches their main attack on Point B,
which the enemy has left undefended, responding to the fake attack on Point A.

So Trump’s shift to the left is nothing more than him playing 100,000 dimensional chess, eh?

[roamer_1]

I LOL when I see how they try to paint "MAGA" supporters as 'racist', rednecks...

Too bad they ain't rednecks. 

All I want from "MAGA" is to have our country energy independent and be engaged in fair trade policies.

Be careful of what you'll eat in order to get to the dessert.