The Extreme Danger of Mail-In Voting

[mystery-ak]

October 26, 2023
The Extreme Danger of Mail-In Voting
By D. Parker

Mail-in voting has made the secret ballot a thing of the past.  That will be the death of democracy, with new threats from the far left.

Loss of secrecy is one of the worst but hardly ever discussed dangers with mail-in voting.  What do you think is going to happen in light of recent reports of leftists openly threatening to “deprogram” and persecute Trump voters?

Do leftists ever feel any shame for what they have done to this country by voting for the current regime and tacitly supporting it with their silence?

Dinesh D’Souza was recently on the Glenn Beck Program discussing his new film, Police State, going through the features of this kind of regime, with many uncannily already in place, as brought on by Biden or his hidden handler therein.

This is from people who still have the chutzpah to falsely label themselves as “liberals.”  We’ve noticed that most of the pro-freedom side has refrained from calling them that, but leftists persist in maintaining the lie.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/10/the_extreme_danger_of_mailin_voting.html

[Free Vulcan]

Wish people would get their head around this problem and quit spewing BS. It has nothing to do with poll voting or mail-in voting. It's the other weak links in the chain.

1) Voter lists/rolls. Like in Michigan, some 800K fake names were added to the voter lists across the state. It should be impossible to do this without ID, but it happens constantly. Counties claimed that they filtered these out, but with that kind of margin, did they filter out enough to keep them from being used to give the Rats a victory?

2) There is obviously a serious voting machine integrity problem. When you can game the poll vote with wrong sizes of paper such as in Arizona, ending mail-in voting isn't going to help you as much as you think.

3) When fake mail trucks can show up and deliver thousands of votes, and these fake votes are allowed to come in well after the election date, plus 'lost' votes with no certifiable chain of custody, and all must be counted, whether poll or mail in it means no difference.

4) When you have hidden off-site counting of votes like in Maricopa county AZ, and stacks of votes are found to have all different sizes and grades of paper, different inks and fonts, etc., whether poll or mail-in votes it really doesn't matter how they stuff them.

5) When election commissions and courts can clearly override the law, you're not going to stop fake ballots whether poll or mail-in.

This has to start being looked at as a chain of weak links, rather than something solved with silver bullets like Voter ID. The above mentions are only a few of the problems I've read where basic vote security, integrity and chain of custody are repeatedly violated. Until the whole chain is looked at, there is no point of just ending mail-in ballots and thinking that will be the solution.

[Fishrrman]

Vulcan, you're missing the opportunities that mail-in voting provides to "control" elections through fraud.

It's but one more "tool in the box" of The Party's "election apparatus", a good deal of which exists "underground", but also has numerous "components" that exist "above-ground", right in plain sight.

Mail in ballots comprise a major part of the above-ground apparatus.

But we're seeing other parts emerge.
Ranked-choice voting is one of them. Designed to make winners losers and losers winners.

Provisional ballots have been around a while, and definitely are a part of the apparatus in plain sight.

Ballot harvesting and "drop boxes", as well.

All the underground and above-ground components work to produce a "controlled result" without making any single component overly-identifiable as "the vector that was used to cheat and win".

Rather, a little here, a little there, a little everywhere...
... accomplishes The Party's goals.

[Free Vulcan]

Vulcan, you're missing the opportunities that mail-in voting provides to "control" elections through fraud.

It's but one more "tool in the box" of The Party's "election apparatus", a good deal of which exists "underground", but also has numerous "components" that exist "above-ground", right in plain sight.

Mail in ballots comprise a major part of the above-ground apparatus.

But we're seeing other parts emerge.
Ranked-choice voting is one of them. Designed to make winners losers and losers winners.

Provisional ballots have been around a while, and definitely are a part of the apparatus in plain sight.

Ballot harvesting and "drop boxes", as well.

All the underground and above-ground components work to produce a "controlled result" without making any single component overly-identifiable as "the vector that was used to cheat and win".

Rather, a little here, a little there, a little everywhere...
... accomplishes The Party's goals.

I agree that mail-in is part of the problem, but not all of it. Republicans again need to take the whole hog approach to this and understand all the working parts, otherwise we are playing whack--a-mole.

[Smokin Joe]

I agree that mail-in is part of the problem, but not all of it. Republicans again need to take the whole hog approach to this and understand all the working parts, otherwise we are playing whack--a-mole.

Mail in is easy, the signature envelopes often seem to get discarded or go missing, attribution is problematical, and there always seems to be that other batch found in the 11th hour of counting by the other side (or truckload, whatever).

But like you say, even though that is likely the easiest and most used method, the others have their ability to contribute those extra ballots in spurts and trickles that, like tributaries to a major river all add up.

The worst hemorrhaging must be countered, but the littler bleeds can kill in combination. It is a multi-pronged attack on the Republic, at its roots.

[Elderberry]

I posted this about mail in voting yesterday: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,515956.msg2927406.html#msg2927406

The video covers several topics but at 7:55 it is about mail in voting.

AG Ken Paxton Sues Federal Government For Destruction Of Texas’ Border Protection
   
Bannons War Room

Start watching at 7:55. This is outstanding.

Ken Paxton — How they stole the election from Trump. And how I stopped them in Texas.

https://rumble.com/v3rlu0s-ag-ken-paxton-sues-federal-government-for-destruction-of-texas-border-prote.html

[Fishrrman]

Once again, if anyone's still reading:
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OK, time to propose a new Constitutional amendment:
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This Constitution prescribes that only citizens may vote in all elections conducted within the United States. This includes elections for federal offices of The United States, elections for State offices in the Several States, and all municipal and local elections conducted within the borders of The United States.

Elections will be conducted only on Election Day as prescribed by this Constitution.

All ballots in all elections will be paper ballots cast by individual voters at their respective polling locations. Electronic means may be used to tabulate vote counts at the local level.

Provisional ballots of any kind are prohibited by this Constitution.

Ranked Choice Voting of any kind is prohibited by this Constitution.

On Election Day votes will be tabulated immediately after the polls close. Tabulation and counting of votes will proceed continuously until a final tally is reached.

There shall be a demand right of registered voters to witness the tabulation and counting of votes. Any attempt to deny such right will be deemed unconstitutional. This right shall not be modified by any Court of the United States. The Several States may however limit the total number of election observers as is practicable for reasons of safety.

An election shall not be considered to be won unless the winning candidate receives a majority of the votes cast. If no candidate receives a majority, a runoff election must be held within 35 days to determine the winner. This shall not apply to the elections for President and Vice President, which are to be conducted in accordance with the provisions of the Electoral College, as enumerated in this Constitution.

The use of the United States Mail shall not be permitted for the collection of ballots, with the exception of absentee ballots.

There shall be no use of absentee ballots without the presentation of individual need, subject to strict scrutiny by the registrar of voters.

Absentee ballots must be received by the close of voting on Election Day. Any ballots received via mail after the polls close will be immediately destroyed and will not be entered into the voting tabulation.

All citizens of the United States will be required to produce identification before voting.

All citizens of the United States who desire to vote will be required to register at least six months in advance of election day, unless they have previously done so. All citizens requesting registration will be properly vetted by the registrar of voters.

No person will be registered to vote unless that person has attained his or her twenty-first birthday.

[Bigun]

There is a bottom line to all of this which is that we will never again have an honest election for so long as we continue to allow electronics to be involved in any part of the process including voter registration.

[Fishrrman]

Bigun observes:
"we will never again have an honest election for so long as we continue to allow electronics to be involved in any part of the process including voter registration."

Then I guess we'll never again have "an honest election".

Because how are you gonna "get the electronics" out the election process?

You might as well order folks to stop driving their cars and go back to horses and buggies.

I've posted my "election amendment" numerous times, and have gotten no replies to it. You'll note one paragraph reads:
"All ballots in all elections will be paper ballots cast by individual voters at their respective polling locations. Electronic means may be used to tabulate vote counts at the local level."

This is the way to do it. The equipment they use here (in CT) seems to do a decent-enough job.
The voter gets a paper ballot which has empty "dots" to be filled in with a black felt-tip pen.
Upon completing the ballot, the voter takes it to a tabulating machine that looks like a large computer printer with a slot in it.
The voter slips the ballot into the machine, which either accepts it or rejects it.
The paper ballot goes into a bin for archiving.

I suppose these things could be tampered with, but so could the older "mechanical" voting machines they used with the small levers on them.

The only thing missing:
The voter should get a receipt from the machine, showing how his/her votes were cast. You keep the receipt as proof that you voted and HOW you voted.

Paper ballots with voter-made "marks" are the way to go.
They can be "hand-tabulated" if necessary, in a recount.

But in larger cities (even smaller ones), how are you going to hand-tabulate a flood of ballots from election day, and still have "a result" by morning?

[libertybele]

There is a bottom line to all of this which is that we will never again have an honest election for so long as we continue to allow electronics to be involved in any part of the process including voter registration.