Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't mind them taking the weekend off. The truth is they'll be need to be a lot of behind the scenes conversations, meetings, and phone calls to put together candidates and support.  I personally prefer to see the various factions within the party coalesce around three or four candidates at most rather than have a dozen or more so all running.

It also would be a nice time to get a commitment from every member that they'll all agree to support any candidate who actually gets a majority within the caucus.  If they want to specifically exclude McCarthy, Scalise, and Jordan from that, that's fine.

[jmyrlefuller]

We, the people are done with the GOP wing of the Uniparty.  Need a hint?   As of today, Trump's closest GOP reivals are in the single digits at 8 percent,  51 points behind him.

What do you mean, WE?

This all started under your guy's watch.

[Kamaji]

Well that's sorta bullcrap. Scalise and Jordan are both favored sons, both uniters, both considered even-handed.

Granted, Scalise, as a moderate, would probably be considered as having an upper hand, but not by much. And I am on the record here as expecting Scalise, and satisfied with that, though no doubt I would prefer Jordan.

Nope.  It's not bullcrap at all.  It's the truth.  Scalise was the preferred nominee of the GOP as a whole; Jordan was not.  It was only after Scalise' departure from the nomination was extorted by the same sort of childish threats Gaetz and Co. made that Jordan became the next one up to the plate, and by that time, the rest of the GOP conference had had more than enough of the spoilt child tactics of Gaetz & Co., and opted to not support Jordan.  Too bad, so sad; play with fire and you can't complain when you get burned.

Gaetz f*cked this thing six ways to Sunday, without a viable exit plan, and so has almost single-handedly most likely handed the House to the democrats in 2024.  Congratulations; Mr. "Conservative" has ended up simply enabling the progressives and their control of the House.  I hope his check from the DNC is big enough to make it worth the while for having f*cked the country.

[libertybele]

https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1715445189106364911

First Black Speaker of the House and a conservative.  Win! Win!

[Kamaji]

First Black Speaker of the House and a conservative.  Win! Win!

Agreed.

[berdie]

I really like Jim Jordan and am sorry he is a part if this. Be it willingly or unwillingly.

The question that enters my mind is why would anybody want to be speaker? Small majority, warring factions, d@mned if you do d@amned if you don't.

Somebody refresh my memory, but wasn't there a similar situation prior to Ryan. Wasn't he more or less forced into the position?

[corbe]

Kevin McCarthy endorses Tom Emmer for House Speaker

[corbe]

First Black Speaker of the House and a conservative.  Win! Win!

   IMHO, He's too close to Trump.

[Hoodat]

Joey Mannarino

@JoeyMannarinoUS
Byron Donalds is officially running for Speaker.

Let's make history, America.

It will be history all right.  Republicans haven't elected a Conservative Speaker in over 100 years.

[corbe]

   2nd vote for Jordan a congresscritter wanted John Boehner back   

   Admit the House been in Disarray since Sen Cruz got into that pizzing contest with the aforementioned fellow.  This is a battle that has to be done, there is no other Time.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It will be history all right.  Republicans haven't elected a Conservative Speaker in over 100 years.

Newt?

[libertybele]

   IMHO, He's too close to Trump.

I'm not familiar with his ties to Trump. I do know him to vote conservatively.  Here is his voting record:

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/137655/byron-donalds

Byron Donalds "On the Issues" -- he is categorized as a "hard core" conservative.

https://www.ontheissues.org/FL/Byron_Donalds.htm

[Maj. Bill Martin]

   IMHO, He's too close to Trump.

He's also inexperienced, and as a member of the Freedom Caucus likely will get some of the overflow resentment toward Gaetz.  I do think the experience point is relevant because the job of the Speaker is largely procedural, and Donalds hasn't even chaired a committee.

I think someone like Hern, who is a conservative but not a member of the Freedom Caucus, is probably the best shot.

[libertybele]

Kevin McCarthy endorses Tom Emmer for House Speaker

In comparison on the same issues as Byron Donalds, Emmer is a "moderate conservative".  Does that surprise anyone since McCarthy endorsed him??

https://www.ontheissues.org/house/tom_emmer.htm

[libertybele]

He's also inexperienced, and as a member of the Freedom Caucus likely will get some of the overflow resentment toward Gaetz.  I do think the experience point is relevant because The job of the speaker is largely procedural, and Donald's hasn't even chaired a committee.

I think someone like Hern, who is a conservative but not a member of the Freedom Caucus, is probably the best shot.

I thought about him being a new kid on the block, but he's done very well for FL. I've been listening to him in comparison to how he votes and so far -- he doesn't waiver or walk back.  He's pretty darn steadfast in his beliefs.

Perhaps we need someone who doesn't have years of experience and tainted by the DC RINO's.

[corbe]

   Don't forget about The Hammer.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

In comparison on the same issues as Byron Donalds, Emmer is a "moderate conservative".  Does that surprise anyone since McCarthy endorsed him??

https://www.ontheissues.org/house/tom_emmer.htm

No. Emmert is closer to the middle of the caucus, which honestly should be where the Speaker comes from.

[Hoodat]

Kevin McCarthy endorses Tom Emmer for House Speaker

Of course he does.

[roamer_1]

No, McCarthy is responsible because he broke almost every promise he made, several of which were within his power to honor.

I am sick of people lying as he did, just to get the votes for Speaker.

THAT'S RIGHT. End of story wrt McCarthy.

[libertybele]

No. Emmert is closer to the middle of the caucus, which honestly should be where the Speaker comes from.

Frankly, the more conservative, the better. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Frankly, the more conservative, the better.

Playing to the "Moderates" is playing to lose, and is exactly how we got here as a nation.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Frankly, the more conservative, the better.

In my opinion, the goal should be passing the most conservative legislation possible.  I think the risk with a Speaker that is significantly further to the right than the majority of the caucus is that you are going to risk losing moderate Republicans to the Democrats on key votes.  So while the Speaker personally may stake out a more conservative position, what ends up being passed maybe significantly less conservative than what it might otherwise have been.

Realistically, we are not going to get significantly more conservative results until we elect significantly more conservatives.  In the meantime, we've got to fight the best rear guard action possible.

[Smokin Joe]

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson

🚨BREAKING: Byron Donalds to announce candidacy for House Speaker

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
Other names in the mix:
-Tom Emmer
-Kevin Hern
-Austin Scott
-Jack Bergman
-Mike Johnson
-Mark Green
-Roger Williams
3:51 PM · Oct 20, 2023

Heritage rates Hern at 98% https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/H001082

Heritage also rates Donalds at 98% https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/d000032

Jack Bergman at 84% https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/b001301

Mike Johnson at 84%  https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/J000299/118

Mark Green at 84%  https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/G000590/118

Tom Emmer comes in at 82% https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/E000294/

Roger Williams at 78% https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/w000816?session=115

Those are Heritage Foundation ratings, and only for this session. Specifics are at the links.

[libertybele]

In my opinion, the goal should be passing the most conservative legislation possible.  I think the risk with a Speaker that is significantly further to the right than the majority of the caucus is that you are going to risk losing moderate Republicans to the Democrats on key votes.  So while the Speaker personally may stake out a more conservative position, what ends up being passed maybe significantly less conservative than what it might otherwise have been.

Realistically, we are not going to get significantly more conservative results until we elect significantly more conservatives.  In the meantime, we've got to fight the best rear guard action possible.

I hear what you are saying but in the same light; those that side with DEMS or vote along with them aren't worth their seat and should be voted out.  Not doing so is why we're at the crossroads we have.

[Smokin Joe]

THAT'S RIGHT. End of story wrt McCarthy.

Yep. Hern and Donalds are rated most conservative out of the list (by The Heritage Foundation, for the current session) and maybe need a better look. I'd like to see those ratings compared to other scorecards.