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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2023, 04:37:21 pm »
Whut?

Jordan's Pitch to House GOP: Let's Pass Another CR!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jim-jordan-plan-avert-shutdown-becomes-house-speaker-rcna120623?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=652eac010760ad0001588eaa&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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Republican House speaker nominee Jim Jordan has pitched his colleagues on an unorthodox plan to prevent a government shutdown on Nov. 17.

And his conference members have mixed feelings about it.

In recent meetings with House Republicans, Jordan, the right-wing firebrand from Ohio, has called for passing a stopgap bill to keep money flowing under existing law beyond April, according to a half-dozen lawmakers who heard his comments. The reason is that an across-the-board 1% cut, as tucked inside a recent debt-limit law, would then take effect, imposing reductions across agencies.

Jordan indicated to Republicans he believes the automatic cuts will give them leverage over Democrats on full-year funding bills as they work to pass individual appropriations bills. The reason, he believes, is that Democrats will want to switch off the automatic cuts as soon as possible and therefore accept more GOP demands.

“That is leverage,” said Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., a member of the hard-right Freedom Caucus. “And I think he’ll get that. And I’ve been against [continuing resolutions]! But we got 31 days. I mean, time’s running out. We got to look forward.”

But other Republicans say it’s a bad idea to pass another continuing resolution, or CR, which represents the sort of short-term funding on autopilot that conservatives — who want the chance to make more spending cuts — typically loathe.

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It's a worse deal than what they had under McCarthy!

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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2023, 04:53:24 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on October 17, 2023, 04:27:51 pm
Jim Jordan expected to come up short

There is zero expectation Jordan wins on the first ballot.   There will be several.

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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2023, 05:47:57 pm »
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2023, 06:08:43 pm »
House Speaker election live updates: Jim Jordan falls short of 217 votes needed; minority leader Hakeem Jeffries of NY gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200

By Kaydi Pelletier, Samuel Chamberlain, Victor Nava and Josh Christenson
Updated Oct. 17, 2023

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Oh.) fell short of the 217 votes needed to succeed ousted Kevin McCarthy as the next Speaker of the House, on the first ballot Tuesday.

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY.) bested Jordan, drawing 212 votes to Jordan’s 200. There were 20 votes for other candidates.

The night before Tuesday’s vote, several Republican lawmakers emerged from a House GOP conference meeting saying that they won’t vote for Jordan, 59.

Jordan, however, came out of the meeting confident that he will be elected speaker of the House on Tuesday — despite at least six GOP lawmakers still opposed to his nomination and others undecided.

Follow the Post’s live updates for the latest news as representatives cast their votes to elect the next Speaker of the House:

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/house-speaker-election-live-updates-jim-jordan-takes-vote-to-floor/
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #54 on: October 17, 2023, 06:15:56 pm »
Too close for comfort. Praying that something becomes favorable for our country.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2023, 06:17:01 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on October 17, 2023, 06:15:56 pm
Too close for comfort. Praying that something becomes favorable for our country.

Too close for comfort?  Jeffries got more votes than Jordan did.  That's not even close.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2023, 06:17:17 pm »
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2023, 06:18:55 pm »
Can this thread be moved here so we don't have a dozen cross conversations on this topic?
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,515219.0.html

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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2023, 06:19:28 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on October 17, 2023, 06:17:01 pm
Too close for comfort?  Jeffries got more votes than Jordan did.  That's not even close.

 22222frying pan  I read the headline incorrectly.  God help us.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2023, 06:20:04 pm »
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2023, 06:21:47 pm »
Why are there Republcians holding out? I thought this was the unpardonable sin? Spoiled brat punks and all that.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2023, 06:22:19 pm »
Showing yet again that Establishment Republicans would rather have a Democrat in charge than a Conservative.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2023, 06:22:38 pm »
More than a clown show, this is just a major disaster waiting to happen.  :thud:
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2023, 06:24:18 pm »
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2023, 06:27:00 pm »
I'm getting to the point that I don't even care anymore...we will lose the house in 2024 anyways.

I have already seen an ad against my Rep Mary Miller about how Repubs don't know how to lead...I am sure they are nation-wide..

Sorry to be a Debbie-downer but this Congress is an embarrassment...
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2023, 06:37:42 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on October 17, 2023, 06:27:00 pm
I'm getting to the point that I don't even care anymore...we will lose the house in 2024 anyways.

I have already seen an ad against my Rep Mary Miller about how Repubs don't know how to lead...I am sure they are nation-wide..

Sorry to be a Debbie-downer but this Congress is an embarrassment...

That will be the inevitable fallout of Gaetz' cutesy little coup against McCarthy.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2023, 06:39:37 pm »
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2023, 06:44:33 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on October 17, 2023, 06:27:00 pm
I'm getting to the point that I don't even care anymore...we will lose the house in 2024 anyways.

I have already seen an ad against my Rep Mary Miller about how Repubs don't know how to lead...I am sure they are nation-wide..

Sorry to be a Debbie-downer but this Congress is an embarrassment...

I don't think Joe Schmoe on the street really knows or cares what's going on with the Speaker of the House drama. Those who follow politics closely enough to know and care aren't going to change their vote from R to D (or vice versa) based on this.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2023, 07:02:22 pm »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on October 17, 2023, 06:44:33 pm
I don't think Joe Schmoe on the street really knows or cares what's going on with the Speaker of the House drama. Those who follow politics closely enough to know and care aren't going to change their vote from R to D (or vice versa) based on this.
 :shrug:

Maybe so, but a lot of people will see the DNC campaign ads showing a dysfunctional GOP that cannot even do something as simple as elect a speaker of the house, which is necessary in order for legislation to go forward, and many of the uncommitted will agree with the DNC that the GOP is simply too dysfunctional to be trusted with the reins of power, and they will vote DNC.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2023, 07:25:21 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on October 17, 2023, 04:37:21 pm
Whut?

Jordan's Pitch to House GOP: Let's Pass Another CR!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jim-jordan-plan-avert-shutdown-becomes-house-speaker-rcna120623?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=652eac010760ad0001588eaa&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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It's a worse deal than what they had under McCarthy!

Yup.  Who the Speaker is does not change where the leverage ultimately lies.  The best deal we had, which is now dead and cannot be revived, is the compromise reached by Roy and the Main Street Caucus people for an 8% cut.  But Gaetz and Co. killed it, and what eventually passes will inevitably be worse.

I get angry when our own side does stupid stuff.

I opposed Gaetz's move, and still oppose it, because when you sit down and look objectively at the most likely consequences, they are not good for conservatives.  But they are good for Gaetz's further political ambitions - he's now "a fighter", and for Nancy Mace.  And they're good for the Democrats.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2023, 07:33:02 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on October 17, 2023, 06:37:42 pm
That will be the inevitable fallout of Gaetz' cutesy little coup against McCarthy.

Even if you assume Gaetz was well-intentioned, which I don't, the road to hell is paved by stupid people thinking they were doing the right thing.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2023, 07:35:31 pm »
... just throwing it out there ... What if pissed off non-Maga Republicans vote for Jeffries?

The GOP Sanity Caucus would have greater power in a Dem-GOP coalition / power-sharing than they would in a Jim Jordan House Speakership.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2023, 07:41:30 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on October 17, 2023, 07:35:31 pm
... just throwing it out there ... What if pissed off non-Maga Republicans vote for Jeffries?

The GOP Sanity Caucus would have greater power in a Dem-GOP coalition / power-sharing than they would in a Jim Jordan House Speakership.

My guess is that before doing that, the moderates would tell other Republicans "we'll support McCarthy or McHenry.  If you refuse, we'll cut a deal with Jeffries."

And then folks will have some decisions to make.
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Re: Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200
« Reply #74 on: October 17, 2023, 07:43:06 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on October 17, 2023, 07:35:31 pm
... just throwing it out there ... What if pissed off non-Maga Republicans vote for Jeffries?

The GOP Sanity Caucus would have greater power in a Dem-GOP coalition / power-sharing than they would in a Jim Jordan House Speakership.

Since they haven't changed the rules yet someone could use the *vacate the chair rule*...maybe Gaetz will do it......./s
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