Ron DeSantis' Throws Down the Gauntlet, Challenges Trump to One-on-One Debate: 'I'm Ready for It'

[sneakypete]

Thanks for confirming that you're essentially buying votes.

 

@Maj. Bill Martin 

Thanks for confirming that you don't think votes are important.

[LMAO]

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”


Alexander Fraser Tytler


Currently, I would say, were at apathy to dependence

[Right_in_Virginia]

Appreciate the clarity that we truly are on different sides.

Yet you still choose the king.   

[LMAO]

“I favor the policy of economy, not because I wish to save money, but because I wish to save people.”   Calvin Coolidge.

Now compare that to this:

“That’s why I said, you know, I go around, I don’t want to be too boisterous on this because you never know. Right. But I said, there’s no way I can lose Iowa and Nebraska.Any of these states, there’s no way because I gave the farmers $28 billion from China.” Donald Trump(repeating a debunked claim the money came from China)

When government hands out money to favored groups, it  encourages those people to vote for that candidate. But it creates a dependency and a flow of money that is hard to take away.

The best example I can think of this is ethanol subsidies. I haven’t heard any candidate state that they would dump this. Even though it’s a waste, there are people who are dependent on it, and may be reluctant to vote for a candidate that wants to take it away.

It also creates divisions. “I’m more deserving of my government check than those people.”


Both Biden and Trump do this “I gave x dollars to (insert favored group here). Neither man gave anything.

[sneakypete]

“I favor the policy of economy, not because I wish to save money, but because I wish to save people.”   Calvin Coolidge.



@LMAO

So,Coolidge is running?

Who knew?

Has anyone told him it is no longer 1923?

[LMAO]

“I favor the policy of economy, not because I wish to save money, but because I wish to save people.”   Calvin Coolidge.



@LMAO

So,Coolidge is running?

Who knew?

Has anyone told him it is no longer 1923?

Wow

How does one respond to this?

How you came to the conclusion that comparing a quote on limiting the size of government from a past president vs Trumps recent vote buying quote as me thinking Coolidge is running is beyond any Earthly comprehension

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yet you still choose the king.   

I'm not going to bicker with you about which side in 1775 was closest to Reagan conservatism, and which side was closest to Trumpism because we'd obviously disagree.  I'm just going to leave it at the acknowledgment that Trumpism and small-government conservatism are fundamentally incompatible.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm not going to bicker with you

As you wish, Sire.  As you wish.

[Hoodat]

QED

[Maj. Bill Martin]

QED

@Hoodat

That was easier than I thought it would be.

[LMAO]

Utterly amazing.

One poster claims that we have to grow the size of government first before we can reduce it in order to restore a free and independent nation

Another believes that those who want to reduce the size of the federal government share a commonality with King George

How do you even engage people with that disconnect from any semblance of reality? Stunning. Absolutely stunning.

[LMAO]

Another good example of the danger of vote buying is the public employee pension time bomb that states are facing

Politicians promise public employee unions more benefits, and pension increases without any real plan to pay for them.  So they get the votes, while everybody else gets the bill

Both Trump and Biden are promising to lead us down an irreversible path

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Another good example of the danger of vote buying is the public employee pension time bomb that states are facing

Politicians promise public employee unions more benefits, and pension increases without any real plan to pay for them.  So they get the votes, while everybody else gets the bill

Both Trump and Biden are promising to lead us down an irreversible path

If we wait until it is too late to have moderate reforms of federal entitlement programs, and some major bailout is required because we waited too long, Democrats will use that massive Social Security bailout as justification for also bailing out city/state pension funds.  May even hold the former hostage to the latter.

[Kamaji]

If we wait until it is too late to have moderate reforms of federal entitlement programs, and some major bailout is required because we waited too long, Democrats will use that massive Social Security bailout as justification for also bailing out city/state pension funds.  May even hold the former hostage to the latter.

Or bailing out left-wing cities - like NYC - altogether.

[LMAO]

If we wait until it is too late to have moderate reforms of federal entitlement programs, and some major bailout is required because we waited too long, Democrats will use that massive Social Security bailout as justification for also bailing out city/state pension funds.  May even hold the former hostage to the latter.

And it’ll also be used as a further justification for  bailing out any politically connected failing businesses.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I dunno.

Maybe he will need the help of a surrender monkey? Will you answer his call?

Gee, I dunno @sneakypete but do know that even though you resort to name calling, rest assured  I continue to pray for you.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Another believes that those who want to reduce the size of the federal government share a commonality with King George

This election is about so much more than spending, as were the circumstances of our founding.  You appear unable or unwilling to grasp the true precipice this nation is on.  C’est la vie 

[LMAO]

This election is about so much more than spending, as were the circumstances of our founding.  You appear unable or unwilling to grasp the true precipice this nation is on.  C’est la vie 

No

It's about reducing the size of the federal government so it can't be in a position to abuse it's citizens. I'm not interested in fulfilling  yours and Trump's emotional needs. Besides, Trump has made many of his own messes that have nothing to do with me

Folks, look at RIV's  post. This is what were are up against. We are up against people who believe that they are not just simply voting for a candidate, but saving a nation in the same vein as those who fought the British

How do you overcome such delusion? The dirty little secret is they want to wield it's power. They just won't admit it

Let me explain. As long as the government spends and grows, individual freedom is replaced with dependency and tyranny. When said federal government doesn't have that full power and funding, it's ability to abuse it's citizens is reduced.

If you look at history, dictators, even "soft dictators"  tend to follow severe financial and economic calamities. This not about, as you have said, 'throwing grandma out in the street just to balance a budget.'"  It's about reigning in an out of control federal government and taking away it's funding were feasible

It is you, dear,  that is unable or unwilling to grasp the true precipice this nation is on. You just see everything through the short term prism of Trump.  I, OTOH, see the long term

[corbe]

“I favor the policy of economy, not because I wish to save money, but because I wish to save people.”   Calvin Coolidge.

Now compare that to this:

“That’s why I said, you know, I go around, I don’t want to be too boisterous on this because you never know. Right. But I said, there’s no way I can lose Iowa and Nebraska.Any of these states, there’s no way because I gave the farmers $28 billion from China.” Donald Trump(repeating a debunked claim the money came from China)

When government hands out money to favored groups, it  encourages those people to vote for that candidate. But it creates a dependency and a flow of money that is hard to take away.

The best example I can think of this is ethanol subsidies. I haven’t heard any candidate state that they would dump this. Even though it’s a waste, there are people who are dependent on it, and may be reluctant to vote for a candidate that wants to take it away.

It also creates divisions. “I’m more deserving of my government check than those people.”


Both Biden and Trump do this “I gave x dollars to (insert favored group here). Neither man gave anything.

   Sen Cruz denounced the Ethanol Subsidies and won Iowa in 15.

[sneakypete]

No

It's about reducing the size of the federal government so it can't be in a position to abuse it's citizens. Not your's and Trump's emotional needs

Folks, look at RIV's  post. This is what were are up against. We are up against people who believe that they are not just simply voting for a candidate, but saving a nation in the same vein as those who fought the British

How do you overcome such delusion? The dirty little secret is they want to wield it's power. They just won't admit it

Let me explain. As long as the government spends and grows, individual freedom is replaced with dependency and tyranny. When said federal government doesn't have that full power and funding, it's ability to abuse it's citizens is reduced.

If you look at history, dictators, even "soft dictators"  tend to follow severe financial and economic calamities. This not about, as you have said, 'throwing grandma out in the street just to balance a budget.'"  It's about reigning in an out of control federal government and taking away it's funding were feasible

@LMAO

You,and those in complete agreement with you are the ones that are delusional.

FIRST,we,the people,have to take back control of the government and try to sit that back in order. Until we do that,there will NOT be any budget cuts,special cash gifts to minorities,illegal aliens,etc,etc in order to buy their votes.

THE very first thing that needs to be done is to overhaul the election system to insure that ONLY American citizens who have no felony convictions are even allowed to vote. Everybody else can just pound sand,or get the hell out if they don't like it.

After that is when we need to start weeding out the budgets,but NOTHING can be allowed to get in the way of restoring our system of voting,where ONLY US citizens can vote,and they have to register first and PROVE their citizenship before being allowed to register.

Until and unless that is done,everything else is just pissing in the wind.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

You,and those in complete agreement with you are the ones that are delusional.

FIRST,we,the people,have to take back control of the government and try to sit that back in order. Until we do that,there will NOT be any budget cuts,special cash gifts to minorities,illegal aliens,etc,etc in order to buy their votes.

What the hell does this even mean?

You don't "take back" the government until you reduce it's size and power.

[LMAO]

   Sen Cruz denounced the Ethanol Subsidies and won Iowa in 15.

Yes he did.

I haven't heard any of the GOP 2024 candidates say they'll cut this. If we can't cut this, what can we cut??

Trump tariffs hurt American farmers and he bragged about the checks he "gave" them as if it was something to be proud of

[corbe]

[sneakypete]

What the hell does this even mean?

You don't "take back" the government until you reduce it's size and power.

@LMAO

FIRST,you have to take back control of the government BEFORE you can do ANYTHING.

WTH am I even having to explain something THAT freaking basic?

[LMAO]

Yup

I would love to be wrong about Trump. If he got elected and adopted a more Coolidge/Goldwater style of governing, nothing would please me more than to say to his most loyal of supporters, "I was wrong."

Because if I'm right, and there are plenty of indications that I am, the consequences will be catastrophic