Why is America so broke?

[roamer_1]

You either adapt and change with the times,or are are no longer a part of the time.

Simply not true @sneakypete . Big Government from the Right is total loss.

[sneakypete]

@DCPatriot

Of course I will - Among other things... You act as if that fiscal damage can be blithely waived away. It cannot. It has incurred horrendous damage, as has his destruction of libertarian liberties, right before our eyes.

Two things about that:

First is cohesive coalition on the Right. About 30% (last it was measured) of the Republican base is fiscal and libertarian Conservatives. Do you really think those conservatives are going to vote for your guy when they not only have been stripped naked and thrown under the bus, but then the damn bus stopped, backed up to run them over, and then ran them over again going forward...

You expect them to vote for you guys now? After that? I ain't the only one. There's a reason why Tumpy can't gather that cream and remains against a 60% ceiling among Republicans.

You're stepping on the very things that are supposed to hold us together.

Secondly, that big money IS the swamp. You ain't draining a single damn thing when government grows MORE under your watch. And not just MORE. HISTORIC DAMN MORE. So the entire premise (and promise) that he is draining the swamp is entirely bullshit. His single claim to fame is utterly  false.

But you want me to vote for it anyway, presumably so that government can continue to grow exponentially under Republican care.

Not just no, but hell no. I will stand on the agreement forged under Reagan, along with my conservative brethren. If y'all think you can get conservative votes without delivering , you have another think coming.

Because big government grew on his watch (the money is just a way of keeping score), and because our liberties fell under massive threat on his watch. That's NOT Conservative, by the very definition. The very ROOT of conservative politics IS fiscal Conservatism and libertarianism - The very two things destroyed most under his watch. Historic and unforgivable destruction.

Tumpy is no Conservative. That is inarguable.

@roamer_1

So  you are going to hold your breath until your face turns blue,while stomping your little feets in anger?

Good plan!

[DCPatriot]

@DCPatriot

Of course I will - Among other things... You act as if that fiscal damage can be blithely waived away. It cannot. It has incurred horrendous damage, as has his destruction of libertarian liberties, right before our eyes.

Two things about that:

First is cohesive coalition on the Right. About 30% (last it was measured) of the Republican base is fiscal and libertarian Conservatives. Do you really think those conservatives are going to vote for your guy when they not only have been stripped naked and thrown under the bus, but then the damn bus stopped, backed up to run them over, and then ran them over again going forward...

You expect them to vote for you guys now? After that? I ain't the only one. There's a reason why Tumpy can't gather that cream and remains against a 60% ceiling among Republicans.

You're stepping on the very things that are supposed to hold us together.

Secondly, that big money IS the swamp. You ain't draining a single damn thing when government grows MORE under your watch. And not just MORE. HISTORIC DAMN MORE. So the entire premise (and promise) that he is draining the swamp is entirely bullshit. His single claim to fame is utterly  false.

But you want me to vote for it anyway, presumably so that government can continue to grow exponentially under Republican care.

Not just no, but hell no. I will stand on the agreement forged under Reagan, along with my conservative brethren. If y'all think you can get conservative votes without delivering , you have another think coming.

Because big government grew on his watch, and because our liberties fell under massive threat on his watch. That's NOT Conservative, by the very definition. The very ROOT of conservative politics IS fiscal Conservatism and libertarianism - The very two things destroyed most under his watch. Historic and unforgivable destruction.

Tumpy is no Conservative. That is inarguable.

Look @roamer_1

Stop deflecting.  My point is this.  We've already established that you've got a fiscal Conservative backbone of steel.

That... and maybe $5 will get you a Cappuccino Grande.

All you do in your valid argument is essentially preen around like a peacock train-rattling.

I feel like you need a slap like Cher did to Nicholas Cage in "Moonstruck"      


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY

We're fighting a war next year with an opposition that is a hair's breadth from repealing the 2nd Amendment.
Without the 2nd, there is no First Amendment.  GEEZ...

....and here you are testing one's Conservative credentials??? 

His personality...okay, you hate him.  I get it.

We all hated a guy on our Legion team.  Never smiled.  Showed up last minute and was one of the first to leave.

But he hit like nobody else and had a cannon for an arm.

 

[roamer_1]

Look @roamer_1

Stop deflecting.  My point is this.  We've already established that you've got a fiscal Conservative backbone of steel.

That... and maybe $5 will get you a Cappuccino Grande.

All you do in your valid argument is essentially preen around like a peacock train-rattling.

I feel like you need a slap like Cher did to Nicholas Cage in "Moonstruck"      

NOPE. My money is right where my mouth is. I am all in.

We're fighting a war next year with an opposition that is a hair's breadth from repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Without the 2nd, there is no First Amendment.  GEEZ...

Bullshit. At best y'all ain't fighting sh*t... At worst, y'all are complicit.

....and here you are testing one's Conservative credentials??? 

The only thing that fixes this IS Conservatism, so yeah.

His personality...okay, you hate him.  I get it.

Bullcrap. I am standing upon legit criticisms.

We all hated a guy on our Legion team.  Never smiled.  Showed up last minute and was one of the first to leave.

But he hit like nobody else and had a cannon for an arm.

Except your boy BLEW IT last time. BIG TIME. Hell no! No more.

[LMAO]

Fixing our fiscal house is how we start to correct the Trump/Biden inflation

If I wanted more spending, more government, and more inflation, I would just vote for the Democrat

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

So  you are going to hold your breath until your face turns blue,while stomping your little feets in anger?

Good plan!

OLD argument with no teeth. I am under no obligation.
The candidate must court ME. Not the other way around.

[roamer_1]

Fixing our fiscal house is how we start to correct the Trump/Biden inflation

If I wanted more spending, more government, and more inflation, I would just vote for the Democrat

 

[corbe]

@corbe

So,are you now going on record as stating you will vote for Trump if he is the Republican nominee for President?

   Absolutely NOT @sneakypete I have never voted for him and never will.  The lesser of two evils is a wasted vote and a waste of my time. 
  @DCPatriot 's post was referring to people that will not vote for Trump in 2024 and that includes ME.
   The only person that I will Vote for, right now, is DeSantis, a proven Conservative, we've already seen what Trump can do and I'm not impressed.

[DCPatriot]

   Absolutely NOT @sneakypete I have never voted for him and never will.  The lesser of two evils is a wasted vote and a waste of my time. 
  @DCPatriot 's post was referring to people that will not vote for Trump in 2024 and that includes ME.
   The only person that I will Vote for, right now, is DeSantis, a proven Conservative, we've already seen what Trump can do and I'm not impressed.

@corbe

And that's fair enough!   @catfish1957 and I are totally opposite on Pres. Trump, but still can have a pleasant conversation about baseball.

... and how much the ASTROS cheat. 

You're telling us not casting a ballot that will cut into the Democrat Fascists total vote is much more important so long as you can what....?   Sleep better at night? 

Did the "Orange Monster" give you nightmares?

[catfish1957]

@corbe

And that's fair enough!   @catfish1957 and I are totally opposite on Pres. Trump, but still can have a pleasant conversation about baseball.

... and how much the ASTROS cheat. 

@DCPatriot

You mean the same Houston Astros who have been to the World Series 4 of the past 6 years?

It gets so old winning all the time 

[corbe]

   I am extremely JEALOUS of that Rich, Rude, Orange Azzhole and his occasional appearance in my dreams always causes me to bolt out of bed and drink till I pass out. 

*Texas 37 EV is GOP safe, for now.  If it were in danger and up to my vote I would crawl across cut glass to vote for anyone but Trump or bidet.         

[roamer_1]

You're telling us not casting a ballot that will cut into the Democrat Fascists total vote is much more important so long as you can what....?   Sleep better at night? 

Did the "Orange Monster" give you nightmares?

With the Republican fascist total? 

You seem to think you can run big government better than the Democrats.
You can't.

Take it away. Give em ALL small government. That is the ONLY answer.

[Hoodat]

GWB's "Compassionate Conservative"..... remember?

Bush's last year with a GOP Congress, the annual deficit fell to $160 billion.  We don't have monthly deficits that low any more.

Bottom line - we cannot continue printing money to fund government.  History is not kind to those do not heed this.

[DCPatriot]

Bush's last year with a GOP Congress, the annual deficit fell to $160 billion.  We don't have monthly deficits that low any more.

Bottom line - we cannot continue printing money to fund government.  History is not kind to those do not heed this.

@Hoodat

No disagreement here.

The issue is how to wean the American voter away from the Democrat/Obama agenda ...which is to crash the system

You can't be the doctor delivering the cure when the patient screams in pain and media paints you as a heartless POS.  You have to maintain power.

Therefore you have to turn things around quickly...you know...like President Trump did in 2017.   

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

No disagreement here.

The issue is how to wean the American voter away from the Democrat/Obama agenda ...which is to crash the system

You can't be the doctor delivering the cure when the patient screams in pain and media paints you as a heartless POS.  You have to maintain power.

Therefore you have to turn things around quickly...you know...like President Trump did in 2017.   

Turn things around?  Trump funded those bastards.  He made it possible for THEM to maintain power.  The Swamp thrived under Trump.  There was never any shortage of government funding during his term.  Where do you think Democrats got all the money they used to win the elections?  It ain't rocket surgery.

[DCPatriot]

Turn things around?  Trump funded those bastards.  He made it possible for THEM to maintain power.  The Swamp thrived under Trump.  There was never any shortage of government funding during his term.  Where do you think Democrats got all the money they used to win the elections?  It ain't rocket surgery.

No!  The Swamp/Deep State exposed themselves.

The Stimulus spending was always a sham.  It funds the States/Counties who house/educate the migrants.

[Hoodat]

Federal spending

Year	Revenue	Spending	Deficit
2016	$2,457.785	$3,077.942	-$620.157
2017	$2,465.566	$3,180.429	-$714.863
2018	$2,475.160	$3,260.473	-$785.313
2019	$2,549.061	$3,540.339	-$991.278
2020	$2,455.736	$5,598.021	-$3,142.285

[Hoodat]

No!  The Swamp/Deep State exposed themselves.

So before Trump, you didn't know who the Swamp was?  And it took Trump funding them with $5.5 trillion in deficit spending for you to finally recognize them?  Seriously?

[Bigun]

If false constitutionalists vs. fascist-socialists are my only choice, this country deserves to go to Hell. I said it on July 4, and I'll say it again: America as we knew it is dead. There's nothing left to defend.

You don't have as long to live as I do. You won't see the worst of it. I, barring an unnatural early death, will... and will be powerless to stop it.

Who's the false constitutionalist? @jmyrlefuller 

[Smokin Joe]

@roamer_1

Yeah...we agree!   

But the BIG difference between us is that by you will withhold your vote based upon fiscal spending dollars.

You want to excommunicate anybody from the Church of Conservatism...especially a bold "Orange" guy because big spending happened on his watch.

"Pandemic" my ass.  It was the Flu.  But I digress...

It was a pandemic. But a pandemic only requires a pathogen that gets around easily enough that it is all over the place, fast. It does not require that pathogen to be deadly. If you caught the bug, coughed once, sneezed once, and had one red eye for a day, and it was over, it would still be a pandemic.

What really spread like wildfire (and thank UPI, AP, ABCNNBCBS, Fox, Facebook, and Twitter, and others for this) was the PANIC. Panic was the weapon, not the virus. Stupid and corrupt practices were responsible for the vast majority of deaths, and "Medical Misadventure" tops the list.

[DCPatriot]

It was a pandemic. But a pandemic only requires a pathogen that gets around easily enough that it is all over the place, fast. It does not require that pathogen to be deadly. If you caught the bug, coughed once, sneezed once, and had one redeye for a day, and it was over, it would still be a pandemic.

What really spread like wildfire (and thank UPI, AP, ABCNNBCBS, Fox, Facebook, and Twitter, and others for this) was the PANIC. Panic was the weapon, not the virus. Stupid an corrupt practices were responsible for the vast majority of deaths, and "Medical Misadventure" tops the list.

 

[Hoodat]

The candidate must court ME. Not the other way around.

Word.