Live Thread: GOP Debate

[bigheadfred]

That's really his biggest strength. He did best in the debate when he was pointing to the record of what he had accomplished rather than just saying what he would do.

So on the issue of education, he was able to point to banning the teaching of critical race theory and gender studies from Florida classrooms.  On the issue of crime, while everybody else just talked about Soros' prosecutors, he pointed out that he had fired two of them who were refusing to enforce the law in Florida.

To me, that is the real difference between him and the rest of the candidates. We're all used to politicians talking about the things that they would do differently, but it is rare that they can point so specifically to actual examples of how they have done that.

This is also an area where DeSantis is miles above Trump - He has proved his willingness to take strong actions despite massive condemnation from the left.  The left and MSM went after him hard for getting CRT and gender studies out of classrooms, but he stuck with it anyway. They did the same thing when he fired the prosecutors, filing lawsuits against him, etc.. But he's stuck to his guns.

The most obvious difference though, is on COVID. RiV's revisionism aside, most of us remember actually reading at the time how much flack DeSantis was taking for defying government recommendations. I remember reading all the articles from the Washington Post, from the New York times, and Fauci's own comments, saying how DeSantis was essentially murdering older people in Florida.   He took all that flak but stuck to his decisions anyway.

In contrast, the excuse we have been offered on this very site  for Trump's actions regarding Fauci and those recommendations is that he would have taken too much political flack if he had rejected Fauci's recommendations or removed him from that position.  Trump shied away from that kind of political heat, and DeSantis didn't. That is the difference to me.

The problem with DeSantis claiming he got CRT out of Florida schools is the refutation by various schools and/or districts saying  CRT was never part of the curriculum.  Another DeSantis lie? I'll let you decide.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The problem with DeSantis claiming he got CRT out of Florida schools is the refutation by various schools and/or districts saying  CRT was never part of the curriculum.  Another DeSantis lie? I'll let you decide.

The second they start taking about "systemic racism", it's essentially CRT even if they don't attach that label.  And that's not an exaggeration.

[Hoodat]

Considering Trump will be arrested tonight for the fourth time, your post sounds insane @libertybele

 

Considering that CNN and the NY Times are now attacking DeSantis in defense of Trump, her post is quite sane.

[Hoodat]

The problem with DeSantis claiming he got CRT out of Florida schools is the refutation by various schools and/or districts saying  CRT was never part of the curriculum.  Another DeSantis lie? I'll let you decide.

Florida bans teaching critical race theory in schools

Leah Asmelash, CNN     |     Updated 7:38 PM EDT, Thu June 10, 2021

CNN
 —
Florida has become the latest state to ban critical race theory, continuing the growing charge by Republican lawmakers against schools teaching about systemic racism.

After hours of debate and public comment Thursday, the Florida State Board of Education unanimously approved the amendment banning critical race theory. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who appointed much of the board, spoke ahead of the meeting, saying critical race theory would teach children “the country is rotten and that our institutions are illegitimate.”

“That is not worth any taxpayer dollars,” he said.

The amendment states topics must be “factual and objective,” and specifically prohibits “the teaching of Critical Race Theory, meaning the theory that racism is not merely the product of prejudice, but that racism is embedded in American society and its legal systems in order to uphold the supremacy of white persons.”

The amendment also bans material from the 1619 Project, a Pulitzer Prize-winning initiative by The New York Times that reframed American history around the date of August 1619, when the first slave ship arrived on America’s shores.

In a statement posted to Twitter, DeSantis said the amendment protects students from being “indoctrinated to think a certain way,” mirroring language used by other states and locales that have made similar moves.

“Critical Race Theory teaches kids to hate our country and to hate each other. It is state-sanctioned racism and has no place in Florida schools,” he wrote.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/10/us/critical-race-theory-florida-ban-trnd/index.html

[DB]

The problem with DeSantis claiming he got CRT out of Florida schools is the refutation by various schools and/or districts saying  CRT was never part of the curriculum.  Another DeSantis lie? I'll let you decide.

Many said it wasn't in their curriculum. It was proven to be a lie repeatedly.

[Smokin Joe]

He has a very good record as Governor of North Dakota but otherwise I don't know much about him beyond what anyone can find on the internet.

He's a smart guy who loves his home state. Mortgaged his family land to fund a software startup which became very successful and later sold to Microsoft for $1.1 billion. Worked for MS at a high level for several years before becoming Governor.

I would be very interested in hearing from our N.D. residents on the matter. @deb @Smokin Joe

He has been a reasonable Governor. If you want better insight, read his veto messages
https://www.governor.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/SB-2055-veto-message.pdf
https://www.governor.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/Senate%20Bill%202015%20veto%20message.pdf which tend to disclose a rational approach to fiscal and separation of powers within the State Government.

But there is this, on social matters: https://apnews.com/article/transgender-pronouns-schools-veto-north-dakota-3f867fcf1460c11af5da4d7e0f7661e8 Text of Bill: https://legiscan.com/ND/text/SB2231/2023 Senate overturned, House failed to overturn the veto.

He's a mixedbag, some good, some I don't agree with.

https://www.omb.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/financial-transparency/state-budgets/2021-23-budget-highlights-brochure.pdf

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

I have always read "The CP candidate" as being a shortcut  to writing "The Communist Party Candidate".

My mistake.

Sorry.

Yep... Your mistake. 

[Smokin Joe]

 

Considering that CNN and the NY Times are now attacking DeSantis in defense of Trump, her post is quite sane.

They think they finally have the goods on Trump, so it's time to stop No. 2.

[Bigun]

He has been a reasonable Governor. If you want better insight, read his veto messages
https://www.governor.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/SB-2055-veto-message.pdf
https://www.governor.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/Senate%20Bill%202015%20veto%20message.pdf which tend to disclose a rational approach to fiscal and separation of powers within the State Government.

But there is this, on social matters: https://apnews.com/article/transgender-pronouns-schools-veto-north-dakota-3f867fcf1460c11af5da4d7e0f7661e8 Text of Bill: https://legiscan.com/ND/text/SB2231/2023 Senate overturned, House failed to overturn the veto.

He's a mixedbag, some good, some I don't agree with.

https://www.omb.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/financial-transparency/state-budgets/2021-23-budget-highlights-brochure.pdf

Thanks @Smokin Joe that veto is a deal killer for me.

[sneakypete]

 

Considering that CNN and the NY Times are now attacking DeSantis in defense of Trump, her post is quite sane.

@Hoodat

WTH?????

Has the world turned upside down while I was napping?

[libertybele]

Many said it wasn't in their curriculum. It was proven to be a lie repeatedly.

Different schools have different curriculum.  Different school boards are much more liberal than others.

As for DeSantis getting rid of CRT -- perhaps it wasn't in their curriculum, but he made certain that it didn't become part of their curriculum.  He is trying like heck to protect our kids!! 

[sneakypete]

Yep... Your mistake. 

@roamer_1

??????

Correct me if I am wrong,but didn't I already say that?

[corbe]

Pedro L. Gonzalez
@emeriticus
Trump is Truthing nonstop, Trump surrogates are juicing Vivek after he imploded although he isn’t their candidate and are fuming about Don Jr. getting deported from Fox’s spin room at a debate Trump didn’t attend because they said it doesn’t matter even though they’re acting now like it matters a lot to control perception of an event nobody supposedly watched. They obviously do care, and they’re worried.

The truth is they’re freaking out because they saw last night the possibility of a movement without Trump and without them. For a moment, neither they nor Trump were the center of attention and it was actually constructive. Normal people got a glimpse of something beyond a circus. That’s bad for the clowns, but it’s good for everyone else.
12:19 PM · Aug 24, 2023
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[Smokin Joe]

Thanks @Smokin Joe that veto is a deal killer for me.

For me, too. One Awsh*t takes away all your Attaboys

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

??????

Correct me if I am wrong,but didn't I already say that?

Sure. I was just expressing my agreement.

[bigheadfred]

Many said it wasn't in their curriculum. It was proven to be a lie repeatedly.

I can't find any of that. I found  that DeSantis gave three examples that they tried, but it wasn't part of the curriculum.

[the OlLine Rebel]

The problem with DeSantis claiming he got CRT out of Florida schools is the refutation by various schools and/or districts saying  CRT was never part of the curriculum.  Another DeSantis lie? I'll let you decide.

Because the “schools” are disingenuous just like this post.

No one used the term “CRT” until everything BLM “caught fire” late 2020.

But this diversity garbage has been shoved down our throats for years, and people found it out due to the COVID hysteria lock-downs.  One of the few great things about COVID hysteria.

Just because you use one term doesn’t mean other terms don’t apply.

Communists are big on the importance of words, and changing them also.  You should know that.

Yes, CRT was already being pushed, under various names.  Ron is not lying.

[Hoodat]

Florida rejects 54 math books, saying some contain critical race theory

Elisha Fieldstadt  |  April 18, 2022, 1:54 PM EDT

Florida's Education Department rejected 54 math books last week, claiming some of the texts referred to critical race theory, or CRT, and other "prohibited topics."

In a statement released Friday, the department said it had rejected 54 of the 132 math textbooks it reviewed, or 41 percent.

"The highest number of books rejected were for grade levels K-5, where an alarming 71 percent were not appropriately aligned with Florida standards or included prohibited topics and unsolicited strategies," the statement said.

The department said 28 of the books were rejected specifically because they "incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT." Lists of the submitted and accepted books that were made available did not say how the rejected books referred to critical race theory.

Other rejected books did not properly align with B.E.S.T. Standards — Benchmarks for Excellent Student Thinking, Florida's answer to Common Core — which Gov. Ron DeSantis has worked to eliminate.  .  .

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-rejects-54-math-books-saying-contain-critical-race-theory-rcna24842

[Hoodat]

DeSantis Moves to Ban CRT From Florida’s Public Higher Education

Florida governor announced reforms that would require education in the state’s public colleges to be “rooted in Western tradition”

NIKKI MCCANN RAMIREZ  |  JANUARY 31, 2023

FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DeSantis announced plans to “reform” the state’s public higher education system by banning schools from “supporting campus activities or programs that promote divisive concepts like DEI and CRT.” The proposed reforms are the latest in a string of moves by DeSantis and the Florida Department of Education that target curriculums highlighting diversity and the impact of racism on American history and institutions.

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) and Critical Race Theory (CRT) have become racial bogeymen for the reactionary right, who have twisted the academic concepts into a remixed version of historic “reverse racism” fear-mongering.

The new policies proposed by DeSantis would require “any general education course be based on providing a strong educational foundation, and not promote ideological indoctrination.” The policies would further mandate institutions of higher learning to “prioritize graduating students with degrees that lead to high-wage jobs, not degrees designed to further a political agenda.”

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1620468515332587521

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/desantis-crt-reforms-ban-florida-higher-education-1234671910/



Still waiting for someone to post the lie that DeSantis supposedly uttered.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The results are in and DeSantis won, according to those who voted, but what’s really surprising is that Vivek Ramashawarma pulled on him like crazy.
I think Pence is gone and we have two Indians and a cracker plus Trump from here on out.

[Right_in_Virginia]

[Luis Gonzalez]

I found it incredibly amazing, even uplifting, that every one of those guys on stage are
Proud Dallas Cowboys fans!

[Hoodat]

[Right_in_Virginia]

Calling me insane?  Coming from you I take that as a compliment. 

Sorry to disappoint you @libertybele  but I called your post insane, not you.  It was illogical, unjustifiable and damn near politically illiterate. 

DeSantis is the biggest DEM target and with Trump ridiculing him he is helping them.  They are hoping that Trump will take out DeSantis for them.

[Sighlass]

I don’t know if a president DeSantis would have fire Fauci. All I know is that Trump didn’t, and gave him an award.

DeSantis claims he would have. But it’s possible there could be just some Monday morning quarterbacking he’s doing

I am not such a big DeSantis fan that I can't admit he wobbled in the beginning on the Covid issue, heck to be honest, so did I. I seriously considered taking the shot, but didn't. I just didn't know and with some lung issues (among other things), I took the hype with some reservations.

My own governor begged the public to take the shot, she cried that some of us didn't and basically shamed us in front of liberal reporters for not wearing masks.

DeSantis is probable my lead candidate at this time, but he is no deity. As pointed out in the debate, he looked around before raising his hand... He is cautious, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Everyone of us knows we aren't God, or even close, we are human and don't know everything, but on things we do know to stand, DeSantis seems solid on social issues that are important to me.

Is @bigheadfred  wrong to point out the wobble by DeSantis on Covid, no... and yes even @Right_in_Virginia is right that @DeSantis wobbled. But given the fact that I was on shaky legs on the subject, I feel Ron gained his feet probable faster than I did. Fauci towards the end when shown in full light to be a cockroach should of been thrown out the window, not given medals, but I will give Trump a slight pass on the subject early on, because it was one of those learn as you go things, just Trump was slower than some (far slower than me) to catch up.

Like I said, right now I could vote for DeSantis, but he ain't 100% perfect (sorta like me). He is no Alan Keyes brilliant defender (when Alan was on top of his game). The difference is I ain't acting like I am being paid to support someone unlike some here. I almost expected one of our posters to be indited along with Trump today in how much they defend him (j/k of course). Face it, if you are a paid promoter, you wouldn't waste your time in a small forum like this, and we all know it.