Live Thread: GOP Debate

[jmyrlefuller]

Guys like DeSantis or Burgum with solid records of governance are probably screwed this round because everyone these days seems to want a 3-ring circus show for a candidate rather than an actual track record.

I don't want flash, I want a silent Cal who carries a big stick.

And we wonder where politicians get the idea that they can seize unlimited power and trample on people's enumerated rights for the flimsiest of reasons.

[Lando Lincoln]

Just be aware that Governor Burgum has close ties to Bill Gates.

He does - which will be his Achilles heal should be rise in the polls.

[LMAO]

Guys like DeSantis or Burgum with solid records of governance are probably screwed this round because everyone these days seems to want a 3-ring circus show for a candidate rather than an actual track record.

I don't want flash, I want a silent Cal who carries a big stick.

Yup

I have always made the prediction that the next Republican president will be a governor. I just don’t know which one, yet.

[LMAO]

There is no better example of a lopsided bubble than the MAGA bubble

Trump is very popular with his voters. Definitely attracts a crowd.

But the world outside of that is a lot more hostile to them.

[Bigun]

Just be aware that Governor Burgum has close ties to Bill Gates.

Thank you @deb Burgum was indeed very high in the Microsoft food chain for some time. Don't know that to be a complete disqualifier but it's close.

[LMAO]

Thank you @deb Burgum was indeed very high in the Microsoft food chain for some time. Don't know that to be a complete disqualifier but it's close.

If I recall, you have expressed some support for him.

If that’s true, why him? I’m not that familiar with him.

[libertybele]

There is a lot of substance to Governor Burgum. I hope he gets a look during this process. Since he is currently polling very low, there is no need to destroy him at this time.

Well Burgum who I had never heard of until last night certainly caught my attention.

[libertybele]

Considering Trump will be arrested tonight for the fourth time, your post sounds insane @libertybele

Calling me insane?  Coming from you I take that as a compliment. 

[libertybele]

I want Youngkin but it doesn't look like he will announce...

I was thinking that he would run as well.

[deb]

If I recall, you have expressed some support for him.

If that’s true, why him? I’m not that familiar with him.

He’s my gov. His nickname is King Doug. He’s done some good stuff in the state (perhaps by accident), but I would not support him for president.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I am sorry he posted this insult to you but why are you re-posting it on other threads??
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,510487.msg2893062.html#msg2893062

Fair question @mystery-ak   The insult encapsulates a growing sentiment that no challenge to a claim made or action/inaction by RDS or his campaign is permissable ---- even when supported by the governor's own video statements. I wanted to know if the sentiment applied to other threads, too.

Once the "kill the messenger" mantra begins on a thread,  it tends to grow exponentially and I was hoping for public support that such challenges still have a place.

I will remove the quote from the thread you referenced.

[Kamaji]

Fair question @mystery-ak   The insult encapsulates a growing sentiment that no challenge to a claim made or action/inaction by RDS or his campaign is permissable ---- even when supported by the governor's own video statements. I wanted to know if the sentiment applied to other threads, too.

Once the "kill the messenger" mantra begins on a thread,  it tends to grow exponentially and I was hoping for public support that such challenges still have a place.

I will remove the quote from the thread you referenced.

What bullshit.  Maybe if you actually started making fact-based challenges to DeSantis, instead of infantile name-calling and bald-faced lying, you might get a little bit of respect and actual discussion around here.

But you haven't, and you almost certainly won't in future, because that's not what your Cult leader does; you do as he does:  infantile insults and lying.

What you simply cannot stand is that, for whatever warts DeSantis may have, he's actually accomplished things while your cult leader hasn't accomplished much other than to engage in liberal/left-wing spending sprees.

[mystery-ak]

Fair question @mystery-ak   The insult encapsulates a growing sentiment that no challenge to a claim made or action/inaction by RDS or his campaign is permissable ---- even when supported by the governor's own video statements. I wanted to know if the sentiment applied to other threads, too.

Once the "kill the messenger" mantra begins on a thread,  it tends to grow exponentially and I was hoping for public support that such challenges still have a place.

I will remove the quote from the thread you referenced.

The policy is that if a post report isn't filed I assume the *victim* isn't bothered or doesn't care...so hit the post report button and direct the Mods and I to the post in question.

When everyone starts I issue a stop the personal insults to all or I reluctantly close the thread since no one will stop as it is out of control.

[Bigun]

If I recall, you have expressed some support for him.

If that’s true, why him? I’m not that familiar with him.

He has a very good record as Governor of North Dakota but otherwise I don't know much about him beyond what anyone can find on the internet.

He's a smart guy who loves his home state. Mortgaged his family land to fund a software startup which became very successful and later sold to Microsoft for $1.1 billion. Worked for MS at a high level for several years before becoming Governor.

I would be very interested in hearing from our N.D. residents on the matter. @deb @Smokin Joe

[LMAO]

He has a very good record as Governor of North Dakota but otherwise I don't know much about him beyond what anyone can find on the internet.

He's a smart guy who loves his home state. Mortgaged his family land to fund a software startup which became very successful and later sold to Microsoft for $1.1 billion. Worked for MS at a high level for several years before becoming Governor.

I would be very interested in hearing from our N.D. residents on the matter. @deb @Smokin Joe

Thank you for the reply

I don’t know much about him myself to have an opinion about him either way

[Bigun]

He’s my gov. His nickname is King Doug. He’s done some good stuff in the state (perhaps by accident), but I would not support him for president.

I would be very interested in hearing why that is @deb (the part I bolded.)

[LMAO]

What bullshit.  Maybe if you actually started making fact-based challenges to DeSantis, instead of infantile name-calling and bald-faced lying, you might get a little bit of respect and actual discussion around here.

But you haven't, and you almost certainly won't in future, because that's not what your Cult leader does; you do as he does:  infantile insults and lying.

What you simply cannot stand is that, for whatever warts DeSantis may have, he's actually accomplished things while your cult leader hasn't accomplished much other than to engage in liberal/left-wing spending sprees.

If DeSantis says something that’s not true about his record, it is absolutely fair to point out the inconsistency. But Trump has his own Covid issues and so it’s hard for him to credibly attack Ron DeSantis on the issue.

A lot of mistakes were made when it came to Covid. And I’m not suggesting that Trump nor DeSantis should get a pass. I personally prefer what Sweden did.

The problem with Donald Trump is the mistakes that he made in his first term he’s already promising to double down on those. And I just can’t go for that.

Americans are watching their standard of living decline. And this is not about starving grandmas.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

There is a difference?

@sneakypete

Yes... If the CP candidate is sufficiently Conservative (which they usually are), and accessible (on the ballot or valid as write-in), then I will be voting *FOR* a Conservative.

If I must leave the top of the ballot blank, that is because there was not a Conservative to be found.

Simple as that.

[roamer_1]

That's really his biggest strength. He did best in the debate when he was pointing to the record of what he had accomplished rather than just saying what he would do.

So on the issue of education, he was able to point to banning the teaching of critical race theory and gender studies from Florida classrooms.  On the issue of crime, while everybody else just talked about Soros' prosecutors, he pointed out that he had fired two of them who were refusing to enforce the law in Florida.

To me, that is the real difference between him and the rest of the candidates. We're all used to politicians talking about the things that they would do differently, but it is rare that they can point so specifically to actual examples of how they have done that.

This is also an area where DeSantis is miles above Trump - He has proved his willingness to take strong actions despite massive condemnation from the left.  The left and MSM went after him hard for getting CRT and gender studies out of classrooms, but he stuck with it anyway. They did the same thing when he fired the prosecutors, filing lawsuits against him, etc.. But he's stuck to his guns.

The most obvious difference though, is on COVID. RiV's revisionism aside, most of us remember actually reading at the time how much flack DeSantis was taking for defying government recommendations. I remember reading all the articles from the Washington Post, from the New York times, and Fauci's own comments, saying how DeSantis was essentially murdering older people in Florida.   He took all that flak but stuck to his decisions anyway.

In contrast, the excuse we have been offered on this very site  for Trump's actions regarding Fauci and those recommendations is that he would have taken too much political flack if he had rejected Fauci's recommendations or removed him from that position.  Trump shied away from that kind of political heat, and DeSantis didn't. That is the difference to me.

THIS. 

He stuck to his guns... and WON.

[Kamaji]

If DeSantis says something that’s not true about his record, it is absolutely fair to point out the inconsistency. But Trump has his own Covid issues and so it’s hard for him to credibly attack Ron DeSantis on the issue.

A lot of mistakes were made when it came to Covid. And I’m not suggesting that Trump nor DeSantis should get a pass. I personally prefer what Sweden did.

The problem with Donald Trump is the mistakes that he made in his first term he’s already promising to double down on those. And I just can’t go for that.

Americans are watching their standard of living decline. And this is not about starving grandmas.

[berdie]

Guys like DeSantis or Burgum with solid records of governance are probably screwed this round because everyone these days seems to want a 3-ring circus show for a candidate rather than an actual track record.

I don't want flash, I want a silent Cal who carries a big stick.

 

I would have liked to hear more from Burgum as well. Just because he worked for M/S doesn't mean he was tied to Gates at the hip...anymore than I was to the owner of the company I worked for.

As far as last night's debate, overall I thought it was pretty good. There were good points made by all on the stage. I don't agree 100 per cent with any of them, but that's not unusual. Any would be better than Joey or Kammie.

Although Vivek made some good points he is on my "soul searching before I vote" list. Something about him doesn't ring true and he is incredibly annoying and obnoxious. Aside from that, quoting Obama during a Pub debate is kind of dumb. No matter...our primary isn't until March.

[roamer_1]

I also think it needs to be shouted loud and clear that all of Tumpy's televised ad Beg-a-thons have helped fund the Stone-Pecker Slime machine's that was designed to take down RDS, just like they did with the '16 field.

Trump is pure trash.  He needs to fade off in the sunset ....permanently.

BUMP THAT.

[Fishrrman]

Didn't watch.
Don't care.
(my only post to this thread)

[DCPatriot]

Didn't watch.
Don't care.
(my only post to this thread)

    

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Yes... If the CP candidate is sufficiently Conservative (which they usually are), and accessible (on the ballot or valid as write-in), then I will be voting *FOR* a Conservative.

If I must leave the top of the ballot blank, that is because there was not a Conservative to be found.

Simple as that.

@roamer_1

I have always read "The CP candidate" as being a shortcut  to writing "The Communist Party Candidate".

My mistake.

Sorry.