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Re: Pence commits political suicide
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2023, 05:39:08 pm »
Seems to me if I recall correctly, I was young, Nixon had the election stolen from him when Papa Joe bought the election for JFK. Nixon, again if I recall correctly, didn't fight the results because he knew it would be bad for America, and he didn't spend the next for years crying about it everywhere. Was there a lot of vote tampering, yeah I think there was, but the democrats were in control in the courts, the media and congress.

Have you ever thought that if maybe Nixon and the other Republicans had loudly complained about the Democrats crookedness back then, the country might not be in the mess it is in now?
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2023, 06:14:28 pm »
Have you ever thought that if maybe Nixon and the other Republicans had loudly complained about the Democrats crookedness back then, the country might not be in the mess it is in now?

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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2023, 06:16:53 pm »


In 2023, do you want Kamala Harris to have the ability to nullify a GOP Presidential Election win?  Oh, but that's different because that's not our guy.

There was a time in this country when we did not suffer sore losers and their incessant whining.

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Re: Pence commits political suicide
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2023, 06:28:07 pm »
Have you ever thought that if maybe Nixon and the other Republicans had loudly complained about the Democrats crookedness back then, the country might not be in the mess it is in now?
I think it would have gone nowhere, the media was almost as biased, Nixon came off looking poorly during the debate due to being sick and the wonderful make up that was put on him, JFK was touted as a war hero and unarguably presented better so I really don't think there would have been a change in the election. Still being a kid I can't say what the public would have been willing to do if there was a challenge by Nixon and the GOP, but obviously, like with Trump the GOP had no desire to make waves. It's like asking what would be different now if JFK was taken out? He was a much more more of a centrist than Lyndon BJ, and even with his issues no where near the despicable piece of excrement Johnson 'I'll have those N*****s voting democrat for a hundred years' was. What ifs are great, but we have to live in today.

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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2023, 06:52:45 pm »
So rogue elements of a state government could send any list they chose, and the VP is bound to open it.

No.  Each state, via its public laws, has a process for certifying its electors.  That process isn't hidden, so the identify of the electors and how they voted isn't secret.  Assuming the transmittal envelope has the correct certification on the outside, that's the only one that would have to be opened.

But lets assume for a second that someone slipped in a second certification envelope, and you couldn't tell from the outside which is legitimate.  What would almost certainly happen is that both would be opened, and the information inside would be compared against the publicly available information regarding the identify of the official electors and how they voted.

The Constitution, by the way, doesn't state who actually gives the "official count" of the ballots.  It doesn't say Congress, and it doesn't say the VP.  And I think that's because that action was viewed as ministerial -- simple math and acknowledgement of the totals rather than anything to which some discretion was attached.  They were just witnesses acknowledging an undisputed fact, not someone making a substantive decision.
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2023, 07:17:17 pm »
I think it would have gone nowhere, the media was almost as biased, Nixon came off looking poorly during the debate due to being sick and the wonderful make up that was put on him, JFK was touted as a war hero and unarguably presented better so I really don't think there would have been a change in the election.

With the level of corruption in Chicago, it is conceivable the democrats planted 9,000 votes.  Probably Nixon realized he was unlikely to find a similar number of votes in Missouri, a much smaller state, which would have resulted in no electoral majority and a democrat congress giving the election to Kennedy.  To win he would have needed another 22k votes in New Jersey after flipping Missouri and Illinois or Texas (46k votes) and it just wasn't happening.

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2023, 08:13:05 pm »
Have you ever thought that if maybe Nixon and the other Republicans had loudly complained about the Democrats crookedness back then, the country might not be in the mess it is in now?

No.  Wouldn't have made a bit of difference.

Actually, I think that if Nixon had kept up his whining as long as Trump has, he probably would never have been elected President in 1968.
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Re: Pence commits political suicide
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2023, 08:21:52 pm »
The fact that the Republican Party never put up a fight (unless it was for more military spending or pork barrel projects, often the same thing) is why Trump has a following today.
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2023, 08:25:18 pm »
The fact that the Republican Party never put up a fight (unless it was for more military spending or pork barrel projects, often the same thing) is why Trump has a following today.
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Re: Pence commits political suicide
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2023, 11:35:26 pm »
In 2023, do you want Kamala Harris to have the ability to nullify a GOP Presidential Election win?  Oh, but that's different because that's not our guy.

There was a time in this country when we did not suffer sore losers and their incessant whining.
I do want Congress to be able to nullify fraudulent elections, conducted outside the boundaries of the laws of the state in which they were conducted, as 2020 was done using emergency powers to expand eligibility for forms of voting known to favor Democrats for the past 20+ years, without actually passing a law that allowed those changes.

2020 was not a valid election.
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Re: Pence commits political suicide
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2023, 12:25:03 am »
I do want Congress to be able to nullify fraudulent elections, conducted outside the boundaries of the laws of the state in which they were conducted, as 2020 was done using emergency powers to expand eligibility for forms of voting known to favor Democrats for the past 20+ years, without actually passing a law that allowed those changes.

2020 was not a valid election.

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