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« on: July 29, 2023, 08:09:08 pm »
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2023, 08:29:36 pm »
100% true.  Businesses stayed closed for as long as they did precisely because the Trump administration was willing to hand out free money.

Trump was more worried about short-term politics and getting reelected than he was about the long-term future of the country.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2023, 08:30:11 pm »
OMG!! Fiscal issues!!! Finally!!
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2023, 08:34:43 pm »
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2023, 08:54:13 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 29, 2023, 08:29:36 pm
100% true.  Businesses stayed closed for as long as they did precisely because the Trump administration was willing to hand out free money.

Trump was more worried about short-term politics and getting reelected than he was about the long-term future of the country.

Yes Trump was more worried about getting re-elected and politics and that was evident when he walked across to St. Johns which had been vandalized, with Bible in hand and promised to quell the violence that was going on after the Floyd incident.  He not only promised at that time but promised again that he would put an end to the violence.  He obviously didn't do it. The rioters called his bluff.  The riots, violence and disrespect for our LEO continues on to this day from his lack of action.at that time.

I brought that up in here at the time and some stated that him taking action (declaring the Insurrection Act) could hurt his re-election chances. IOW his re-election was more important than tending to the destruction of our Republic.  Here we sit.

Another reason why I cannot and will not vote for him again.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2023, 08:57:14 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 29, 2023, 08:29:36 pm
100% true.  Businesses stayed closed for as long as they did precisely because the Trump administration was willing to hand out free money.

Trump was more worried about short-term politics and getting reelected than he was about the long-term future of the country.

In the short term, yes... but we have been massively overspending since Bush's 'Too Big to Fail', which by today's standards was but a pittance... And we couldn't handle that...
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2023, 08:58:51 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on July 29, 2023, 08:54:13 pm
Yes Trump was more worried about getting re-elected and politics and that was evident when he walked across to St. Johns which had been vandalized, with Bible in hand and promised to quell the violence that was going on after the Floyd incident.  He not only promised at that time but promised again that he would put an end to the violence.  He obviously didn't do it. The rioters called his bluff.  The riots, violence and disrespect for our LEO continues on to this day from his lack of action.at that time.

I brought that up in here at the time and some stated that him taking action (declaring the Insurrection Act) could hurt his re-election chances. IOW his re-election was more important than tending to the destruction of our Republic.  Here we sit.

Another reason why I cannot and will not vote for him again.

Maybe all that... but in the end, New York Values. He's a big government guy at heart.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2023, 08:59:58 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on July 29, 2023, 08:30:11 pm
OMG!! Fiscal issues!!! Finally!!

Hope he keeps it up.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2023, 09:00:24 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 29, 2023, 08:29:36 pm
Trump was more worried about short-term politics and getting reelected than he was about the long-term future of the country.

Just like every other Democrat.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2023, 09:09:46 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 29, 2023, 08:57:14 pm
In the short term, yes... but we have been massively overspending since Bush's 'Too Big to Fail', which by today's standards was but a pittance...

The last four months of Bush's Presidency destroyed the legacy of the other 92.  And it was a pittance by today's standards.  Only $350 billion of new money (which was actually paid back).  But after that, we have been on a roller coaster of new money, none of which will ever be paid back.  Ever.  Devaluation of the currency is here to stay.  Until we hit a wall like the Germans did in 1930.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2023, 09:18:44 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 29, 2023, 09:09:46 pm
The last four months of Bush's Presidency destroyed the legacy of the other 92.  And it was a pittance by today's standards.  Only $350 billion of new money (which was actually paid back).  But after that, we have been on a roller coaster of new money, none of which will ever be paid back.  Ever.  Devaluation of the currency is here to stay.  Until we hit a wall like the Germans did in 1930.

Sure looks that way. It could be done, with austerity across decades... But the will to do it seems lacking. And folks keep voting for it.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2023, 09:26:32 pm »
Not to mention alot of that money was lost to fraud.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2023, 09:27:22 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on July 29, 2023, 09:26:32 pm
Not to mention alot of that money was lost to fraud.

That was intentional.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2023, 09:31:15 pm »
There hasn't been an actual federal budget passed for how long??? It has all been continuing resolutions since... That's where the train completely left the rails... It mathematically can't continue - there's going to be hell to pay.
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2023, 11:09:25 pm »
The only place I heard some waffling was about abortion. Apparently, he couldn't bring himself to say it was a state's rights issue and not a federal one unequivocally.

Other than that, I thought he did extremely well.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2023, 12:12:01 am »
Quote from: DB on July 29, 2023, 11:09:25 pm
The only place I heard some waffling was about abortion. Apparently, he couldn't bring himself to say it was a state's rights issue and not a federal one unequivocally.

Other than that, I thought he did extremely well.

When it came to the issue of spending, he didn’t mention Trump by name, but he was right on the cause.  When they were shutting down businesses and sending all that money out due to Covid, a few of my colleagues were questioning where that money was coming from. I told them not to worry as it will be “paid back” through Inflation.

This is classic TEA Party. And a sharp contrast to Trump’s expensive plans that we just cannot afford.

This could peel away some that support Trump now,but understand that we cannot continue this fiscal path.  And this was refreshingly different than a former president who once claimed that we could never default because we can just print our money not that many years ago.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2023, 12:40:41 am »
Next, Trump needs to be confronted on his tariffs and trade war, especially how they negatively impacted farmers

Putting in a policy in place that had a negative impact on farmers and then bragging about giving them money to bail them out because of those policies it’s not something that I would want to run on.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2023, 01:20:21 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 29, 2023, 08:59:58 pm
Hope he keeps it up.

Ditto

But he is right. And especially with deficits continuing to get out of control under the Biden administration
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2023, 12:25:38 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 29, 2023, 08:57:14 pm
In the short term, yes... but we have been massively overspending since Bush's 'Too Big to Fail', which by today's standards was but a pittance... And we couldn't handle that...

True, but that doesn't absolve Trump from the blame he deserves for what happened in his watch.

The truth is that our national response to COVID may have done more to harm the core fabric of this country than anything else since the beginning of the new millennium, and it happened under Trump.
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2023, 01:26:15 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 30, 2023, 12:25:38 pm
True, but that doesn't absolve Trump from the blame he deserves for what happened in his watch.

The truth is that our national response to COVID may have done more to harm the core fabric of this country than anything else since the beginning of the new millennium, and it happened under Trump.

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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2023, 03:22:15 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 30, 2023, 12:25:38 pm
True, but that doesn't absolve Trump from the blame he deserves for what happened in his watch.

The truth is that our national response to COVID may have done more to harm the core fabric of this country than anything else since the beginning of the new millennium, and it happened under Trump.

It turned out so much  better than the Chinese had hoped.  And they didn't  even fire a single shot.
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2023, 03:59:17 pm »
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It turned out so much  better than the Chinese had hoped.  And they didn't  even fire a single shot.

Trump’s record on debt and deficits were leading us on the path to insolvency even before COVID. The COVID situation exacerbated it
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2023, 05:12:42 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on July 29, 2023, 08:09:08 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3cb2opkUMY&t=2832s&ab_channel=MegynKelly

A must see!!  Great interview.   pointing-up

DeSantis shines and I have no doubts he's going to the be the GOP nominee.  He's got a tough battle to beat the DEMS at their game of stealing elecctions, though I believe given more airtime and winning debates, he will be our next president.

We need to seat a true conservative in order to save this Republic.  DeSantis is who we need.  :patriot:
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2023, 06:10:18 pm »
In case you missed it.    pointing-up
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Re: DeSantis: Spending that Caused Inflation Started with over $4 Trillion in Spending in 2020 Under
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2023, 06:48:32 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on July 30, 2023, 05:12:42 pm
A must see!!  Great interview.   pointing-up

DeSantis shines and I have no doubts he's going to the be the GOP nominee.  He's got a tough battle to beat the DEMS at their game of stealing elecctions, though I believe given more airtime and winning debates, he will be our next president.

We need to seat a true conservative in order to save this Republic.  DeSantis is who we need.  :patriot:

Alright. I broke my own rule and watched... Partly because Megyn Kelly. I favor her because she does her job. She's a bulldog. So I knew it would be substantive. She'll throw him a softball or two, so it's fair, but she's gonna chew on him, and not let him up.

This interview was brilliant. Anyone who doesn't see DeSantis as a serious contender has not heard him. He's all business. And he's right. And he won't.back.down. That boy has a big stick and he WILL use it.

And finally, fiscal issues. Federalism. Milton Friedman. This guy is TEA, right down the line.

And I WILL vote for him. This is what we need. The real deal.
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