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Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Bribes’
« on: July 21, 2023, 12:18:29 am »
Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Bribes’
Mediaite, Jul 20, 2023

 Former president Donald Trump accused his successor of dragging the U.S. into a potentially nuclear conflict by even considering allowing Ukraine into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in a video released on Thursday.

“We have a corrupt compromise president, Crooked Joe Biden, who is dragging us into World War III,” asserted Trump before arguing that Biden is doing so “on behalf of a nation [Ukraine] that paid his family millions and millions of dollars in obvious bribes.”

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All you have to do is take a look at how much China, how much Ukraine have paid the Biden family. It’s a total disgrace and a very dangerous one. Under these circumstances, the notion that we would even consider admitting Ukraine into NATO at this time is completely unhinged. Joe Biden can’t even walk up a flight of stairs on Air Force One and he can’t put two sentences together. The last thing that this incompetent administration should be doing is risking war with a nuclear armed Russia or China or other countries.


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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-says-making-ukraine-a-nato-member-an-unhinged-idea-biden-risking-nuclear-war-over-bribes/
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2023, 12:19:42 am »
"NEW: Pres. Trump announces he will NOT support admitting Ukraine into NATO.  This is an obvious, yet crucial, step to avoiding global nuclear confrontation." (Video)


https://twitter.com/baldwin_daniel_/status/1682096158263394305
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2023, 12:57:07 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2023, 12:19:42 am
"NEW: Pres. Trump announces he will NOT support admitting Ukraine into NATO.  This is an obvious, yet crucial, step to avoiding global nuclear confrontation." (Video)

If Trump had brought Ukraine into NATO when he was in office, there would be peace right now.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2023, 01:18:57 am »
It's always nice when Trump drops the mask and reveals what he really thinks.  Rather than being just "neutral", he pretty clearly is anti-Ukraine, and deeply resents it because he thinks Ukraine gave massive money to Biden.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2023, 01:23:43 am »
The same Trump who said Russia would make a sensible NATO member in order to stave off China? That Trump?
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2023, 03:40:27 am »
Can't say I necessarily disagree, but with the 360 degree minigun poop cannon who knows what the position will be tomorrow?
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2023, 03:54:47 pm »
Maybe Zelensky should have told Trump that he is a really swell dude Trump would be on Ukraines side.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2023, 07:34:54 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 21, 2023, 01:18:57 am
It's always nice when Trump drops the mask and reveals what he really thinks.  Rather than being just "neutral", he pretty clearly is anti-Ukraine, and deeply resents it because he thinks Ukraine gave massive money to Biden.

So, someone who doesn't want WWIII is anti-Ukraine. That's a mighty peculiar worldview you've got behind your mask.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2023, 07:36:02 pm »
Quote from: NavyCanDo on July 21, 2023, 01:23:43 am
The same Trump who said Russia would make a sensible NATO member in order to stave off China? That Trump?

You don't see a difference, at all? 
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2023, 09:23:34 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2023, 07:34:54 pm
So, someone who doesn't want WWIII is anti-Ukraine. That's a mighty peculiar worldview you've got behind your mask.


How is kissing Putin's butt going to stop WWIII from happening???
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2023, 10:22:41 pm »
“We have a corrupt compromise president, Crooked Joe Biden, who is dragging us into World War III,” asserted Trump before arguing that Biden is doing so “on behalf of a nation [Ukraine] that paid his family millions and millions of dollars in obvious bribes.”

Where's Morgan?
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2023, 10:26:47 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2023, 07:36:02 pm
You don't see a difference, at all?


Do you think that countries like Poland or Finland are going to welcome Russia as an ally?


Do you ever think at all?
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2023, 10:29:02 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 21, 2023, 10:22:41 pm
“We have a corrupt compromise president, Crooked Joe Biden, who is dragging us into World War III,” asserted Trump before arguing that Biden is doing so “on behalf of a nation [Ukraine] that paid his family millions and millions of dollars in obvious bribes.”

Where's Morgan?


Yes, on this Trump is absolutely right!
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2023, 11:21:11 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on July 21, 2023, 10:26:47 pm

Do you think that countries like Poland or Finland are going to welcome Russia as an ally?


Do you ever think at all?

And any other NATO partners who, as former Warsaw Pact vassal states, chafed under the Russian jackboot for decades.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2023, 11:22:49 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on July 21, 2023, 10:26:47 pm

Do you think that countries like Poland or Finland are going to welcome Russia as an ally?


Do you ever think at all?

Both rhetorical questions, obviously.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2023, 11:33:17 pm »
Quote from: ScottinVA on July 21, 2023, 11:21:11 pm
And any other NATO partners who, as former Warsaw Pact vassal states, chafed under the Russian jackboot for decades.


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and Trump (and his supporters need to understand that)


There is a reason why Poland and the former Warsaw Pact vassal states joined NATO! They Don't Trust Russia!
There is a reason why Finland joined NATO! They Don't Trust Russia!
There is a reason why the Baltic countries like Lithuania joined NATO! They Don't Trust Russia!
There is a reason why Sweden WANTS to join NATO! Guess why

So for Trump to come up with this idiotic suggestion is going to do is meet with fierce opposition from our true allies! Also, all this is going to do itkeep up the Trump is a Putin Stooge argument keep on going with crap like this.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2023, 11:44:27 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on July 21, 2023, 10:26:47 pm

Do you think that countries like Poland or Finland are going to welcome Russia as an ally?

NATO is a defensive alliance committed to peace in Europe.  The last thing it wants is members who habitually pick fights and bully their neighbors.

Russia invaded Georgia, invaded Ukraine, and is actively destabilizing Moldovo.  Not to mention various threats they've made to various members of NATO.

Admitting a belligerent nation like Russia into NATO is just a typically ignorant Trumpian idea.  Whatever window existed for that closed decades ago when Russia showed it hasn't changed.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2023, 01:13:43 am »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on July 21, 2023, 11:44:27 pm
NATO is a defensive alliance committed to peace in Europe. 

Arming and assisting a non-member in its isolated military conflict fundamentally changes NATO from a defense of member states organization to an offensive one.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2023, 01:19:24 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 22, 2023, 01:13:43 am
Arming and assisting a non-member in its isolated military conflict fundamentally changes NATO from a defense of member states organization to an offensive one.


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RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE! They are the agressor not Nato!


I remember a time when Conservatives viewed Russia as truly as an enemy country.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2023, 01:26:22 am »
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@Right_in_Virginia
RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE! They are the agressor not Nato!

Re-read my post on the transformation of the NATO Charter and tell me what I got wrong.




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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2023, 01:29:53 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on July 22, 2023, 01:19:24 am
I remember a time when Conservatives viewed Russia as truly as an enemy country.

Conservatives still do.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2023, 01:35:29 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 22, 2023, 01:26:22 am
Re-read my post on the transformation of the NATO Charter and tell me what I got wrong.


NATO is just helping Ukraine ( the country Trump and MAGA Nate's) from being occupied by Russia ( the country Trump and MAGA love ). Nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2023, 01:37:42 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 22, 2023, 01:29:53 am
Conservatives still do.


Could have fooled me
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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2023, 01:50:19 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on July 22, 2023, 01:37:42 am

Could have fooled me

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Re: Trump Says Making Ukraine a NATO Member an ‘Unhinged’ Idea, Biden Risking Nuclear War Over ‘Brib
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2023, 05:23:00 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on July 22, 2023, 01:35:29 am

NATO is just helping Ukraine ...Nothing wrong with it.

There's nothing right with it.

NATO exists to defend its member countries. It does this by providing a security guarantee that an attack on one of them is an attack on all of them.

Ukraine is not a NATO member and it is not covered by the security guarantee in the Alliance’s treaty.

Yet, NATO has helped Ukraine's armed forces, including with equipment and financial support, to fight their individual conflict with Russia.

In so doing, NATO has transformed itself from a defensive umbrella for member states to an offensive alliance open at whim to any state.

NATO has outlived its mission.
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