'But Trump Won …!'

[cato potatoe]

Is he better than Biden? Yes. Can the GOP do better? Abso-effing-lutely.

Right - and this is what makes the stolen election debate a massive waste of energy.   Donald has 38% favorability.  Start with that.  If it ever came down to a referendum on Trump, the result would be similar to 1972, with Donald on the losing end.  And so his only path to victory is through slandering his rivals and finding ways to disqualify voters or otherwise suppress the turnout on the other side.  Instead of trying to hoodwink the public into buying a product they will despise, maybe the Republicans could build support for an agenda and run a legitimate campaign with prospects beyond a hail mary.

[Kamaji]

Right - and this is what makes the stolen election debate a massive waste of energy.   Donald has 38% favorability.  Start with that.  If it ever came down to a referendum on Trump, the result would be similar to 1972, with Donald on the losing end.  And so his only path to victory is through slandering his rivals and finding ways to disqualify voters or otherwise suppress the turnout on the other side.  Instead of trying to hoodwink the public into buying a product they will despise, maybe the Republicans could build support for an agenda and run a legitimate campaign with prospects beyond a hail mary.

Ooooh!  Develop a coherent agenda, run a legitimate campaign, and try to persuade rather than seduce and hoodwink the voters.  What a novel idea!

[Hoodat]

The net impact of that - and this was apparent before the election to anyone who was paying attention - was that early totals would favor Trump, but that Biden numbers would get stronger as the mail-ins started getting counted.   The question was always going to be whether yhe post-election day Biden surge was going to be enough to overcome Trump's leads.  It obviously was.

In Georgia, it was the mail-in ballots that turn up after election day that decided the race.  Fulton and Dekalb counties ordered more mail-in ballots five business days before the election.  And all of them ended up in the final tally by the weekend after election day.

[Free Vulcan]

In Georgia, it was the mail-in ballots that turn up after election day that decided the race.  Fulton and Dekalb counties ordered more mail-in ballots five business days before the election.  And all of them ended up in the final tally by the weekend after election day.

And Kemp did nothing about it. Nor did Ducey two years later. Alot of the problems we have, and led to Trump getting the election stolen from him, are at the state level.

Trump doesn't seem to understand this. He thinks bombast and grasping at legal straws will solve things. It's why I'm supporting DeSantis this time - Trump simply doesn't pull the trigger to confront the problems we got despite the bluster that he will do so.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

In Georgia, it was the mail-in ballots that turn up after election day that decided the race.  Fulton and Dekalb counties ordered more mail-in ballots five business days before the election.  And all of them ended up in the final tally by the weekend after election day.

What was apparent before election day was that Dems would dominate the mail-in votes, which in many places are counted after the day of election votes.

Exactly how/when mail in votes were cast varied from state to state.

[Hoodat]

What was apparent before election day was that Dems would dominate the mail-in votes, which in many places are counted after the day of election votes.

Exactly how/when mail in votes were cast varied from state to state.

In Georgia, there is no such restriction.  Absentee ballots are counted the day they are received, and the totals are kept secret until election day.  Normally, the absentee ballot totals are the first ones thrown into the tally.  But in 2020, they kept adding more and more each day.  Dekalb and Fulton, and Gwinnett counties announced more than once that all ballots had been counted, only to come up with more votes the following day.  Fulton even announced that mail-in ballots were still coming in, even though there is a strict election day cutoff for this.  Of course if Trump had any political sense at all, he could have filed suit and stopped it in its tracks.  But he didn't.  He figured holding a rally was just as good or even better.  Surely, if corrupt-as-hell Fulton and Dekalb county Democrats could see the size of Trump's rallies, they would submit and declare Trump the winner.

Also, there is that matter of Facebook and Dominion money that Kemp and Raffensperger got a big chunk of.  Wouldn't want to jeopardize that by enforcing election rules.

[Hoodat]

Fulton County literally ordered more absentee ballots from the printer a week before the election.  That means the printing company would have to print those ballots, ship them back to the county election offices.  Those offices would then have to mail those ballots out to people requesting them.  The ballots would have to be delivered by mail.  Those receiving those ballots would have to fill them out and mail them back, again by the US Postal Service.  And those ballots would have to arrive by Tuesday in order to be legally counted.  It simply is not possible.  Yet Fulton County placed the order anyway.  And lo and behold, those ballots all ended up in the final tally.

[Free Vulcan]

Fulton even announced that mail-in ballots were still coming in, even though there is a strict election day cutoff for this.  Of course if Trump had any political sense at all, he could have filed suit and stopped it in its tracks.  But he didn't.  He figured holding a rally was just as good or even better. 

This is the main reason I won't support him again. This was the perfect opportunity to attack The Swamp, and Trump and Team seemed to be clueless how to go about it.

That was a microcosm of his whole admin.

[Hoodat]

This is the main reason I won't support him again. This was the perfect opportunity to attack The Swamp, and Trump and Team seemed to be clueless how to go about it.

That was a microcosm of his whole admin.

Agreed.