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Re: Today's SCOTUS victories v. 2020 Election Challenges
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2023, 06:02:24 pm »
Wow...TX v PA still hasn't been mentioned on this thread.
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Re: Today's SCOTUS victories v. 2020 Election Challenges
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2023, 06:06:01 pm »
It's clear that we are wasting each other's time at this point. I've made it clear on many occasions that the brotherhood of the bar has won and are our rulers whether we like it or not. (I don't like it but can see very clearly.)

I'll put my integrity against yours any day.

Bye now!



No, you've merely made it clear that you do not wish to understand how to interpret the English language in a meaningful way.

That's too bad, but you're entitled to your own childishness.

I'll put you on ignore for now; that way, you won't have to be bothered with any more uncomfortable statements from me.

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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2023, 06:06:35 pm »
A bunch of conservatives (especially Trump supporters....)

Trump supporters aren't Conservative.
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Re: Today's SCOTUS victories v. 2020 Election Challenges
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2023, 06:08:29 pm »

No, you've merely made it clear that you do not wish to understand how to interpret the English language in a meaningful way.

That's too bad, but you're entitled to your own childishness.

I'll put you on ignore for now; that way, you won't have to be bothered with any more uncomfortable statements from me.

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Re: Today's SCOTUS victories v. 2020 Election Challenges
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2023, 06:19:37 pm »
the Court's actions in 2000 were to stop a recount in one state

An illegal recount.  The Court had no issue with a recount per se.  But they voted 7-2 that applying unequal recount standards in different counties for the expressed purpose of tilting the results to one candidate violated Equal Protection, and thus violated the US Constitution.


not to attempt to invalidate an entire election.

True.

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Re: Today's SCOTUS victories v. 2020 Election Challenges
« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2023, 06:21:28 pm »
The Court's decision in Moore v. Harper is worth reading and considering.

Here is the relevant part of the syllabus (a summary that doesn't constitute the actual holding, but a summary thereof):

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1. [Jurisdiction summary omitted]

2. The Elections Clause does not vest exclusive and independent authority in state legislatures to set the rules regarding federal elections.

Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137, famously proclaimed this Court’s authority to invalidate laws that violate the Federal Constitution. But Marbury did not invent the concept of judicial review. State courts had already begun to impose restraints on state legislatures, even before the Constitutional Convention, and the practice continued to mature during the founding era. James Madison extolled judicial review as one of the key virtues of a constitutional system, and the concept of judicial review was so entrenched by the time the Court decided Marbury that Chief Justice Marshall referred to it as one of society’s “fundamental principles.” Id., at 177.

The Elections Clause does not carve out an exception to that fundamental principle. When state legislatures prescribe the rules concerning federal elections, they remain subject to the ordinary exercise of state judicial review. Pp. 11–26.

(a) In Ohio ex rel. Davis v. Hildebrant, 241 U. S. 565, this Court examined the Elections Clause’s application to a provision of the Ohio Constitution permitting the State’s voters to reject, by popular vote, any law enacted by the State’s General Assembly. This Court upheld the Ohio Supreme Court’s determination that the Federal Elections Clause did not preclude subjecting legislative acts under the Clause to a popular referendum, rejecting the contention that “to include the referendum within state legislative power for the purpose of apportionment is repugnant to §4 of Article I [the Elections Clause].” Id., at 569.  And in Smiley v. Holm, 285 U. S. 355, this Court considered the effect of a Governor’s veto, pursuant to his authority under the State’s Constitution, of a congressional redistricting plan. This Court held that the Governor’s veto did not violate the Elections Clause, reasoning that a state legislature’s “exercise of . . . authority” under the Elections Clause “must be in accordance with the method which the State has prescribed for legislative enactments.” Id., at 367. The Court highlighted that the Federal Constitution contained no “provision of an attempt to endow the legislature of the State with power to enact laws in any manner other than that in which the constitution of the State has provided that laws shall be enacted.” Id., at 368.

This Court recently reinforced the teachings of Hildebrant and Smiley in Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Comm’n, 576 U. S. 787, a case concerning the constitutionality of an Arizona ballot initiative to amend the State Constitution and to vest redistricting authority in an independent commission. Significantly for present purposes, the Court embraced the core principle espoused in Hildebrant and Smiley: Whatever authority was responsible for redistricting, that entity remained subject to constraints set forth in the State Constitution. The Court dismissed the argument that the Elections Clause divests state constitutions of the power to enforce checks against the exercise of legislative power.

The basic principle of these cases—reflected in Smiley’s unanimous command that a state legislature may not “create congressional districts independently of” requirements imposed “by the state constitution with respect to the enactment of laws,” 285 U. S., at 373—commands continued respect. Pp. 15–18.

(b) The precedents of this Court have long rejected the view that legislative action under the Elections Clause is purely federal in character, governed only by restraints found in the Federal Constitution.

The argument to the contrary does not account for the Framers’ understanding that when legislatures make laws, they are bound by the provisions of the very documents that give them life. Thus, when a state legislature carries out its federal constitutional power to prescribe rules regulating federal elections, it acts both as a lawmaking body created and bound by its state constitution, and as the entity assigned particular authority by the Federal Constitution. Both constitutions restrain the state legislature’s exercise of power.

This Court’s decision in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1, in which the Court analyzed the Constitution’s similarly worded Electors Clause, is inapposite. That decision did not address any conflict between state constitutional provisions and state legislatures. Nor does Leser v. Garnett, 258 U. S. 130, which involved a contested vote by a state legislature to ratify a federal constitutional amendment, help petitioners. That case concerned the power of state legislatures to ratify amendments to the Federal Constitution. But fashioning regulations governing federal elections “unquestionably calls for the exercise of lawmaking authority.” Arizona State Legislature, 576 U. S., at 808, n. 17. And the exercise of such authority in the context of the Elections Clause is subject to the ordinary constraints on lawmaking in the state constitution. Pp. 18–22.

(c) Petitioners concede that at least some state constitutional provisions can restrain a state legislature’s exercise of authority under the Elections Clause, but they read Smiley and Hildebrant to differentiate between procedural and substantive constraints. But neither case drew such a distinction, and petitioners do not in any event offer a defensible line between procedure and substance in this context. Pp. 22–24.

(d) Historical practice confirms that state legislatures remain bound by state constitutional restraints when exercising authority under the Elections Clause. Two state constitutional provisions adopted shortly after the founding expressly constrained state legislative action under the Elections Clause. See Del. Const., Art. VIII, §2 (1792); Md. Const., Art. XIV (1810). In addition, multiple state constitutions at the time of the founding regulated the “manner” of federal elections by requiring that “elections shall be by ballot.” See, e.g., Ga. Const., Art. IV, §2. Moreover, the Articles of Confederation—from which the Framers borrowed—provided that “delegates shall be annually appointed in such manner as the legislature of each state shall direct.” Art. V. Around the time the Articles were adopted, multiple States regulated the appointment of delegates, suggesting that the Framers did not understand that language to insulate state legislative action from state constitutional provisions. See, e.g., Del. Const., Art. XI (1776). Pp. 24–26.

 3. Although the Elections Clause does not exempt state legislatures from the ordinary constraints imposed by state law, federal courts must not abandon their duty to exercise judicial review. This Court has an obligation to ensure that state court interpretations of state law do not evade federal law. For example, States “may not sidestep the Takings Clause by disavowing traditional property interests.” Phillips v. Washington Legal Foundation, 524 U. S. 156, 167. While the Court does not adopt a test by which state court interpretations of state law can be measured in cases implicating the Elections Clause, state courts may not transgress the ordinary bounds of judicial review such that they arrogate to themselves the power vested in state legislatures to regulate federal elections.

 The Court need not decide whether the North Carolina Supreme Court strayed beyond the limits derived from the Elections Clause, as petitioners did not meaningfully present the issue in this Court. Pp. 26–29.
380 N. C. 317, 868 S. E. 2d 499, affirmed.

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Re: Today's SCOTUS victories v. 2020 Election Challenges
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2023, 06:28:14 pm »
They did not, and do not, have discretion to refuse to hear cases in which they have original jurisdiction.

They do have that discretion.  They just don't want us to know that sheer cowardice is the reason for their discretion.  That's why they invent cute terms like "standing" to cover for the fact that they are too chickenshit to uphold the oaths they took when they joined the Court.
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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2023, 06:28:15 pm »
The key holding (as relevant here):

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The precedents of this Court have long rejected the view that legislative action under the Elections Clause is purely federal in character, governed only by restraints found in the Federal Constitution.

The argument to the contrary does not account for the Framers’ understanding that when legislatures make laws, they are bound by the provisions of the very documents that give them life. Thus, when a state legislature carries out its federal constitutional power to prescribe rules regulating federal elections, it acts both as a lawmaking body created and bound by its state constitution, and as the entity assigned particular authority by the Federal Constitution. Both constitutions restrain the state legislature’s exercise of power.

Thus, the Elections Clause merely allocates decision-making authority to the state legislature, but does not except that decision-making authority from the standard limitations that otherwise apply to each state legislature qua legislature.

In North Carolina, that includes judicial review of the enactments of the state legislature.

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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2023, 06:36:44 pm »
A dissent is merely an interesting curiousity until and unless it gets picked up by a majority opinion.  That does happen from time to time, but until it does, the dissent is meaningless.

Harlan's dissent of Plessy was cited and included in the opinion for Brown.
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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2023, 06:42:35 pm »
Harlan's dissent of Plessy was cited and included in the opinion for Brown.

Indeed, it was, but it had no authoritative weight until it was cited as the rationale for the holding in Brown.  And, at any event, the binding holding is the holding in Brown, not the dissent in Plessy.

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« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2023, 06:43:12 pm »
They do have that discretion.  They just don't want us to know that sheer cowardice is the reason for their discretion.  That's why they invent cute terms like "standing" to cover for the fact that they are too chickenshit to uphold the oaths they took when they joined the Court.

"Standing" is not merely chickenshit cowardice.

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« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2023, 06:53:57 pm »
Because the Court does not want to wade into election-related cases unless the evidence is crystal clear and undeniable.

No, they don't want to wade into election-related cases because they are cowards.


Wading into a dubious case would jeopardize the Court's independence.

Wading into these cases would have affirmed the Court's independence.
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« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2023, 06:55:28 pm »
No, they don't want to wade into election-related cases because they are cowards.


Wading into these cases would have affirmed the Court's independence.

No, they don't want to wade into election cases that would require them to invalidate an entire election without absolutely rock-solid, undeniable direct evidence.

If they did otherwise, the Court would have been packed by the democrats within six months, and its institutional independence destroyed.

That is why Marbury v. Madison came out the way it did as well.

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« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2023, 07:07:49 pm »
"Standing" is not merely chickenshit cowardice.

In this case it is.  Voters in numerous States were indirectly denied franchise when their votes were cancelled out by illegal votes.  If they don't have "standing", no one does.

The biggest flaw in the cases of plaintiffs here is that they are asking for the election to be overturned due to fraud.  And that dog won't hunt.  But they do have standing to challenge the election process and negate electoral votes emanating from illegal votes to be counted in the electoral process.

But chickenshit cowardice is what ruled the day.  No one dares to have an old-fashioned electoral college 'convention' where electors are selected directly by the people to come together and select the best person for the job.  Throw out Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona, all of which selected their electors under egregious violations of election law, and you are left with only 259 Biden voters - not enough to secure a 270 vote majority.  And that's where the Electoral College is called to do it's job as our Founding Fathers intended, not to be rubber stamps for the Uniparty.
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« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2023, 07:09:41 pm »
No, they don't want to wade into election cases that would require them to invalidate an entire election without absolutely rock-solid, undeniable direct evidence.

Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada all offered exactly that - undeniable direct evidence.  Election laws on the books were openly violated in each of those States.  That is a fact.
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« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2023, 07:11:04 pm »
Indeed, it was, but it had no authoritative weight until it was cited as the rationale for the holding in Brown.  And, at any event, the binding holding is the holding in Brown, not the dissent in Plessy.

So Harlan's dissent had validity.  And the ruling of the majority did not.  The Constitution be damned.
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« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2023, 07:13:59 pm »
In this case it is.  Voters in numerous States were indirectly denied franchise when their votes were cancelled out by illegal votes.  If they don't have "standing", no one does.

The biggest flaw in the cases of plaintiffs here is that they are asking for the election to be overturned due to fraud.  And that dog won't hunt.  But they do have standing to challenge the election process and negate electoral votes emanating from illegal votes to be counted in the electoral process.

But chickenshit cowardice is what ruled the day.  No one dares to have an old-fashioned electoral college 'convention' where electors are selected directly by the people to come together and select the best person for the job.  Throw out Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona, all of which selected their electors under egregious violations of election law, and you are left with only 259 Biden voters - not enough to secure a 270 vote majority.  And that's where the Electoral College is called to do it's job as our Founding Fathers intended, not to be rubber stamps for the Uniparty.

The way I see it all Texas vs Pennsylvania asked for is that the rules in existence be adhered to but that was too much for Mr. Roberts and friends. No overturning of entire elections was involved.
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« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2023, 08:07:00 pm »
Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada all offered exactly that - undeniable direct evidence.  Election laws on the books were openly violated in each of those States.  That is a fact.

No, they did not. Even if a law was violated, that does not ipso facto mean that fraud was committed, nor that any fraud that was committed was sufficient to change the election.

The Court acted to preserve itself as an institution rather than wading into a questionable area that would have inevitably called for judgement calls.

In the meantime, what have you personally been doing to prevent further election fraud?   Have you started an anti-fraud group?  Have you been drafting proposed legislation and lobbying for its enactment?

Or have you just been a chickenshit (your word) who abdicated his responsibilities as a member of a democratic republic so he could focus on whinging about how the election. Was stolen?

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« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2023, 08:08:42 pm »
So Harlan's dissent had validity.  And the ruling of the majority did not.  The Constitution be damned.

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No. As a judicial decision it had no validity until and unless its argument was adopted by a majority decision.

Perhaps you need a refresher course on the binding weight of court decisions in multi-judge decisions?

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« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2023, 10:59:30 pm »
Prove it.  With undeniable evidence.

Otherwise, face facts:  there is not sufficient evidence to warrant the Supreme Court stepping into that minefield.  Y'all think liberals are working themselves up to pack the Court now, just because the Court said they can no longer discriminate on the basis of race, and that they couldn't waive student loans without Congress enacting a law?  Then try undoing an entire election on the basis of anything less than absolutely crystal clear results.

You don't have that level of evidence; you have circumstantial evidence, plus some statistical arguments, that would support a "more likely than not" finding that fraud changed the 2020 election.  What we do not have is 100% guaranteed evidence.

And instead of going out and spending the last three years doing our level best to enact laws that would provide that sort of evidence - that would, e.g., get rid of things like mail-in ballots or ballot-harvesting - what have we done?  We've listened to the Big Orange Crybaby moan and wail about how he wuz robbed.  We've made memes by the truckload.  We've indulged in all manner of conspiracy theories.

But we haven't gotten off our lazy a$$es and gotten out there and involved to actually start changing things.

And, when it comes to the few GOP politicians who have done something - like DeSantis - we trash them because they haven't displayed sufficiently supine fealty to Donald Trump.

We are our own worst enemies - worse even than the democrats - and Donald Trump is our siren of helplessness.

Not long after the 2020 election it was widely reported that the historic rate of mail in ballot rejection was about 5% due to various issues with the signature or other problems. And that the rejection rates in blue counties in a number of swing states were below 1%. That they did little to verify signatures/check other criteria of mail in ballots because they were "overloaded" with mail in ballots - which was by design. Yet in the smaller redder counties which there are many more of, they had typical rejection rates.

They created the overload situation to take advantage of it. It only took a little fudging to get what they wanted.

As far as "proof" goes. Virtually no one was allowed to dig any deeper into the matter for either a lack of "standing" or "privacy" concerns.

Biden won Arizona by 0.3%. That was easily doable by simply not checking signatures on mail in ballots to the same standard as other counties - by fudging it a little bit...

That was the game plan from the start when the likes of Mark Zuckerberg poured hundreds of millions of dollars into select state level secretary of state operations:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/mark-zuckerberg-midterms-elections-grant.html

And it worked.

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« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2023, 04:13:34 pm »
How Independent Can State Legislatures Be?

The Supreme Court identified a reasonable outcome in Moore v. Harper (holding that state legislatures do not possess exclusive constitutional authority over redistricting decisions). But the majority opinion is a mishmash of previous precedent and conventional state practice. The Court’s reading of similar language regarding state legislative decision-making powers in different provisions of the U.S. Constitution remains a muddle of inconsistency.

The case concerns legal challenges in North Carolina courts to the North Carolina legislature’s congressional redistricting map. Congressional redistricting is a national-level responsibility given to state legislatures in Article 1, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution. The text provides that the “times, places, and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such regulations.”

The North Carolina legislature, advancing the “independent state legislature theory,” claimed that the constitutional text confers redistricting powers exclusively on state legislatures. If read this way—which is consistent with the way other similarly-worded constitutional texts are read (such as regarding state legislative ratification of constitutional amendments)—the North Carolina legislature’s redistricting map is constitutionally the final word on the matter and cannot be challenged in North Carolina courts. (It also means that governors have no power under the U.S. Constitution to veto redistricting legislation and that states cannot remove redistricting authority from legislatures and give that authority to specialized redistricting commissions.)

In rejecting the independent state legislature approach to this provision, the problem with the majority opinion is not that it reads “legislatures” in Article 1, Section 4 as a synecdoche for full state legislative processes (including executive vetoes and judicial review). After all, the reference to “Congress” in the very same sentence of the Constitution is read naturally as a synecdochical stand-in for the full national-level legislative process.

Rather the problem with the majority’s opinion is one of inconsistent interpretation of similar language across the Constitution. The Supreme Court provided the correct reading of Article 1, Section 4 in this case—or at least the most reasonable reading of this provision. But the majority ties itself into rhetorical knots trying to justify reading the same language differently in other parts of the Constitution.

The irony is that the Court has a long line of precedent in which it has read, and still reads, state-legislative authority in these other, similarly worded parts of the Constitution fully consistent with the most radical versions of independent state legislature theory. As such, the Court’s reasoning in Moore gives lie to so much of the hyperbolic commentary prior to the decision about how novel and radical the “independent state legislature theory” is.

It’s the majority’s attempt to justify its inconsistent reading of the same words in different parts of the Constitution that’s the problem with its opinion. To be sure, as Ralph Waldo Emerson’s quip goes, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Nonetheless, the majority’s reasoning falls flat. Ultimately, it identifies little more than a proverbial “distinction without a difference.” There is little reason that constitutional delegation of national decision-making power to state legislatures should not be read uniformly across the Constitution, whether as an exclusive grant to state legislatures themselves, or, more reasonably, reading “legislatures” as a synecdoche for state legislative processes more generally...

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« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2023, 04:15:52 pm »
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The Supreme Court provided the correct reading of Article 1, Section 4 in this case—or at least the most reasonable reading of this provision.

That's pretty much all one needs to take away from that.

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« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2023, 04:23:52 pm »
Even if a law was violated, that does not ipso facto mean that fraud was committed

Yes, yes it does.

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« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2023, 04:38:50 pm »
That's pretty much all one needs to take away from that.

Perhaps for you, but I rather liked the following sentence;

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But the majority opinion is a mishmash of previous precedent and conventional state practice. The Court’s reading of similar language regarding state legislative decision-making powers in different provisions of the U.S. Constitution remains a muddle of inconsistency.

And this:

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Nonetheless, the majority’s reasoning falls flat. Ultimately, it identifies little more than a proverbial “distinction without a difference.” There is little reason that constitutional delegation of national decision-making power to state legislatures should not be read uniformly across the Constitution, whether as an exclusive grant to state legislatures themselves, or, more reasonably, reading “legislatures” as a synecdoche for state legislative processes more generally.

I personally don't like a synecdoche any more than I do a penumbra.

And BTW: "Reasonable outcome" does not necessarily mean correct!


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The Supreme Court identified a reasonable outcome in Moore v. Harper...
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