New Poll Shows the Battle Between Trump and DeSantis Is Too Close to Call

[Kamaji]

New Poll Shows the Battle Between Trump and DeSantis Is Too Close to Call

Sarah Arnold
June 28, 2023

New polling shows former President Trump and Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla) deadlocked in a Republican presidential primary in the battleground state of Wisconsin.

According to a Marquette University Law School poll, DeSantis and Trump scored within one percent of each other on the full GOP primary ballot, with the governor garnering 30 percent of support and Trump securing 31 percent.

The survey also found that if the 2024 election were held today, DeSantis would outperform Trump in a matchup against President Joe Biden.

Hypothetically, Biden would beat DeSantis by only two percentage points, 49 to 47 percent. However, against Trump, the 80-year-old president would come in first place by nine percentage points, 52 to 43 percent.

Both GOP presidential candidates come neck and neck within one percent of each other again regarding favorability measures. Sixty-seven percent view DeSantis as the more favorable candidate, while 68 percent say the same of Trump.

Once cordial politicians, DeSantis and Trump aimed shots at one another this week after both Republicans hosted events in New Hampshire.

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Source:  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/06/28/desantis-trump-wisconsin-poll-n2625101

[Kamaji]

I love these polls!  Might as well be consulting a ouija board at this point in time.  Tomorrow it'll be "Trump has commanding lead over DeSantis" and the day after that "Trump trailing DeSantis".

[GtHawk]

I love these polls!  Might as well be consulting a ouija board at this point in time.  Tomorrow it'll be "Trump has commanding lead over DeSantis" and the day after that "Trump trailing DeSantis".

Actually I think a Ouija board might be more accurate. Also every time a pro Trumper posts a poll that shows DeSantis is way behind I laugh because of their short memories about Trumps chances in 2016, polls only ever say what the pollster has evoked through the questions asked.

[massadvj]

"Hypothetically, Biden would beat DeSantis by only two percentage points, 49 to 47 percent. However, against Trump, the 80-year-old president would come in first place by nine percentage points, 52 to 43 percent. "

This is more concerning.

[Bigun]

Actually I think a Ouija board might be more accurate. Also every time a pro Trumper posts a poll that shows DeSantis is way behind I laugh because of their short memories about Trumps chances in 2016, polls only ever say what the pollster has evoked through the questions asked.

You took the words right off my keyboard @GtHawk 

[Right_in_Virginia]

[Right_in_Virginia]

"BUSTED! DeSantis Super PAC caught astroturfing support in Iowa, ordered to CEASE AND DESIST!" (Video)

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1674483042566414338

[Right_in_Virginia]

[Right_in_Virginia]

[LMAO]

"Hypothetically, Biden would beat DeSantis by only two percentage points, 49 to 47 percent. However, against Trump, the 80-year-old president would come in first place by nine percentage points, 52 to 43 percent. "

This is more concerning.

Yup

[LMAO]

I love these polls!  Might as well be consulting a ouija board at this point in time.  Tomorrow it'll be "Trump has commanding lead over DeSantis" and the day after that "Trump trailing DeSantis".

Polls are a reflection of what a certain number  of people feel about something or someone in that particular moment in time

Remember the “red wave” polls from 2022? What people tell a pollster and what they actually do can turn out to be two different things.

[Kamaji]

Polls are a reflection of what a certain number  of people feel about something or someone in that particular moment in time

Remember the “red wave” polls from 2022? What people tell a pollster and what they actually do can turn out to be two different things.

Exactly. 

The best use of these polls right now is to watch the Trump cult members dance and gyrate in order to worship their Orange Master.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Swing Trading
@Pro__Trading

I'm still waiting for a Ron DeSantis supporter to tell me how he wins the primary being -40 on the issue of the economy

3:10 PM · Jun 29, 2023

InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022

"Best To Improve Our Economy"

Nevada
• Trump — 65 (+55)
• DeSantis — 10% 

South Carolina
• Trump — 59% (+47)
• DeSantis — 12%

New Hampshire
• Trump — 55% (+44)
• DeSantis — 11%

Iowa
• Trump — 54% (+36)
• DeSantis — 18% 

National Research (A/B), June 6-28

3:00 PM · Jun 29, 2023

[massadvj]

I would say that the polls are not looking good for DeSantis. I will vote or him nonetheless. Also, if DeSantis cannot win the primary, then chances are he would not win the general, either.  That is what primaries are for.

[Kamaji]

I would say that the polls are not looking good for DeSantis. I will vote or him nonetheless. Also, if DeSantis cannot win the primary, then chances are he would not win the general, either.  That is what primaries are for.

Unfortunately, with the shenanigans that go on in primaries - particularly the ability of non-party members to vote in them in states with open primaries or lax registration policies, I do not believe that success or failure in the primaries maps coextensively to success or failure in the general.

[massadvj]

Unfortunately, with the shenanigans that go on in primaries - particularly the ability of non-party members to vote in them in states with open primaries or lax registration policies, I do not believe that success or failure in the primaries maps coextensively to success or failure in the general.

Shenanigans are part of the process. If you can't navigate the shenanigans of the primary, then you won't be able to navigate the even greater shenanigans in the general.

[Kamaji]

Shenanigans are part of the process. If you can't navigate the shenanigans of the primary, then you won't be able to navigate the even greater shenanigans in the general.

So, are you saying that if one cannot police one's opponents using the sham of an open primary, one can't navigate the general?

That does not follow.  In open primaries, the incentive is for one side to vote for the other side's worst candidate, and for those same people to then vote for their own side's candidate in the general, after having engineered a failure for the other party in the primary.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

It would if there were no open primaries and if each party were, in fact, master of its own nomination process, but that is not the case.

[Polly Ticks]

Unfortunately, with the shenanigans that go on in primaries - particularly the ability of non-party members to vote in them in states with open primaries or lax registration policies, I do not believe that success or failure in the primaries maps coextensively to success or failure in the general.

Open primaries are an abomination.

[Bigun]

Open primaries are an abomination.

  

[Kamaji]

Open primaries are an abomination.

Exactly.

[corbe]

“Disloyal to who? Politicians have to EARN support. They’re not entitled to support. I did a lot for him in 2016 and 2020 by the way. I was happy to do it. But at the end of the day, I’m loyal to my family, to our Constitution, and to the Good Lord.

“I have a vision. I think I’m the guy that can beat Biden. But even more importantly: NO MORE EXCUSES on these issues. I’m going to get all of this stuff done. We’ll have a plan on Day One to get going and get crackin. We’ll give you two great terms for eight years and really get the country on a fundamentally different path. I think I’m the guy to do it. So I have the responsibility to step up and serve.”  ~ Ron DeSantis

[DefiantMassRINO]

Polls are another propaganda tool used to shape public opinion.

They hope endless repetition in the media echo chambers will make people believe they are true.

[Bigun]

Polls are another propaganda tool used to shape public opinion.

They hope endless repetition in the media echo chambers will make people believe they are true.

 

[massadvj]

So, are you saying that if one cannot police one's opponents using the sham of an open primary, one can't navigate the general?

That does not follow.  In open primaries, the incentive is for one side to vote for the other side's worst candidate, and for those same people to then vote for their own side's candidate in the general, after having engineered a failure for the other party in the primary.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

It would if there were no open primaries and if each party were, in fact, master of its own nomination process, but that is not the case.

I am of the opinion that you could change all the rules of the US economy, and the people who win now will win under the new rules.  That is just the nature of competition and winning.  Open primaries may or may not hurt DeSantis. But he knows the rules, and if he can't figure out how to exploit them to defeat his opponent in a primary, he won't win in the general election, either.

[The_Reader_David]

"Hypothetically, Biden would beat DeSantis by only two percentage points, 49 to 47 percent. However, against Trump, the 80-year-old president would come in first place by nine percentage points, 52 to 43 percent. "

This is more concerning.

2 percentage points could well be a GOP electoral college victory:  the 'Rat lead in California, Oregon, Washington, New York, and Massachusetts could easily account for 2% of the popular vote.

9 percent and Biden's back in.