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"Wagner Group Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin will move to Belarus in deal brokered by Lukashenko"

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/putin-accuses-wagner-group-of-betrayal-as-russian-mercenaries-march-towards-moscow

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Wagner Group Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin will move to Belarus in deal brokered by Lukashenko

Wagner Group Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin will move to Belarus in a deal brokered by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The Kremlin confirmed the deal, according to the report, which ends the Wagner Group's "march for justice" towards Moscow.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Lukashenko offered to mediate with the approval of Russian President Vladimir Putin, as the Belarusian president has known Prigozhin personally for nearly 20 years.

Reuters contributed to this report.

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US defense secretary to coordinate with allies as Wagner situation continues to develop

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin III this afternoon spoke with counterparts in Canada, France, Germany, Poland the United Kingdom. Despite Yevgeny Prigozhin's announcement that he has ordered his Wagner troops to return to base, Austin said that he would continue to stay in close coordination with allies.

The situation is still developing, and Austin reiterated that U.S. support for Ukraine will not change.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley also canceled a trip to Israel and Jordan in order to monitor the situation in Russia, according to Joint Staff Spokesperson Col. Dave Butler.

Fox News' Lucas Tomlinson and Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report.
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It dawns on me that this could all be a feint to allow the movement of Wagner resources into Belarus unopposed to open a new front.
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FOX NEWS reporting now that the Wagner group calling off the attack on Moscow due to risk.  If so it never got off the ground. 
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Putin humiliated by Wagner coup with '39 pilots and crew' lost in worst day for air force

Express by Will Stewart, Liam Ryder 6/25/2023

The Russian president faced pressure after losing a number of aircraft to the mercenary group, who remain a threat to Putin's regime

The scale of Vladimir Putin’s humiliation in stopping the dramatic coup bid became clear today, after his substantial losses were revealed. The dictator suffered his worst daily air force losses since invading Ukraine as rebel Wagner fighters repeatedly hit his strike helicopters and a high-flying military plane suspected to be carrying a top general. These were Russians killing Russians.

Putin is also facing the humbling expectation to replace his top two war commanders - close ally defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the army staff general Valery Gerasmivov - or face a new insurrection.

Out of jail, and free to run his large mercenary army, he still poses an acute threat to the 70-year-old Russian president.

It became clear today that he had suffered grievous losses as he sought to halt the Wagner “march of justice” against his corrupt regime towards Moscow.

The Russians are today seeking to cover up the losses of up to 39 pilots and crew in a few hours. They included some of Russia’s leading air force crew members with one account saying 20-plus combat pilots were killed.

Putin lost six helicopters - including three Mi-8 MTPRs specialising in electronic warfare - as well as a sophisticated Il-22 plane used to conduct battle plans at high altitudes, it is now believed.

The Ilyushin-22 appears to have been shot down by a Pantsir missile system secretly supplied to Wagner by Russia’s own forces.

More: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1784320/Putin-humiliated-Wagner-coup-loses-20-combat-pilots

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That was a really strange 24 hours...

And what about all the Russian police, troops and leaders that didn't resist Wagner has it marched through Russia? And the people taking selfies with them? What are their fates?

I'd guess people are disappearing all over the place about now.

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So what is the endgame???

Something is going on.

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Putin lost six helicopters - including three Mi-8 MTPRs specialising in electronic warfare - as well as a sophisticated Il-22 plane used to conduct battle plans at high altitudes, it is now believed.

The Ilyushin-22 appears to have been shot down by a Pantsir missile system secretly supplied to Wagner by Russia’s own forces.

Wait, are they saying Wagner shot down those helicopters?
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It dawns on me that this could all be a feint to allow the movement of Wagner resources into Belarus unopposed to open a new front.

They were already unopposed.  Putin could have redeployed Wagner to Belarus without all the drama.
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Wait, are they saying Wagner shot down those helicopters?

Yes. It was all reported live that night including pictures of at least one burning on the ground that was clearly an attack helicopter. A military twin engine airplane was also shot down with video of it going down.

I'll add - a few of Wagner's vehicles were attacked and destroyed on the freeway into the first Russian city where the military headquarters are. There were pictures of the burning trucks. Wagner took out what attacked them.
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JUST IN: Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin breaks his silence, claiming his forces' advance toward Moscow was a "protest" and not an attempt to overthrow Putin

11:45 AM · Jun 26, 2023

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There is zero connection between this story and that photo.
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Just a wayward thought that I had. Since the Wagner Group are mercenaries with no allegiance to any country, couldn't money have entered into the equation? Maybe some lower level commander/s got a pot load of cash to turn around and oust the leader (if that is indeed the case).  :shrug:

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Prigozhin will be swimming with the fishes shortly.

That seems to be the general consensus.