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F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
Story by Kris Osborn • Yesterday 10:35 AM
 
Maverick and Goose made the F-14 Tomcat famous as a cultural emblem of US military air power, yet the Pentagon’s decision to ultimately retire the 1980s-era aircraft appears to be sound and well-placed as a way to adapt to a fast-changing air-threat environment.

F-14 History and the Future
The concept of a two-man crew is designed to bring several key advantages, such as the simple fact of adding another set of eyes. An aviator can of course help with command and control, targeting, surveillance and even threat identification, with the idea of freeing up the pilot for other pressing, time-sensitive tasks.
 
Reducing a crew to one or even no pilots reduces weight, drag and the possibility of human error. Of course, human pilots are not likely to disappear soon given those unique, critical faculties particular to the human mind, yet computer advances have arguably outpaced the advantages of using a two-man crew.

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Re: F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2023, 11:39:41 am »
Probably, since it could have been redesigned and improved using more modern avionics and airframe and engine technology.  But those GWOT budget cuts in the Navy are once again biting it in the arse.
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Re: F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 02:36:30 pm »
Poor engine reliability, ancient avionics (I worked for the company that made its HUD and panel displays, the F-14 area was almost like exile to Siberia), a long range missile (the Phoenix) suitable only for low maneuverability bombers, limited power generation capacity for radar, avionics, and ECM, heavy air-frame ... retiring the Tomcat was a better choice than a redesign squeezed into the confines of a 1970s air-frame.
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Re: F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2023, 02:54:04 pm »
What's wrong with the F-18?
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Re: F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2023, 05:35:23 pm »
What's wrong with the F-18?

It wasn't in the movie "Top Gun"? It doesn't look as "muscular" as a Tomcat?
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Re: F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2023, 07:34:20 pm »
What's wrong with the F-18?

Well, the F-14 and the F-18 are two different animals, originally with two different missions.  The F-14 was designed and built to be a fast interceptor to take out incoming Soviet Backfire bombers and cruise missiles with the Phoenix missile system.  It only became a dogfighter by chance after when we started tangling with the Libyans in 1981.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1981/08/20/us-navy-fighters-shoot-down-2-libyan-jets/324a4b20-d0c7-42c2-a61a-92b51c7012eb/

The F/A-18 was envisioned as a shorter-ranged, multi-mission fighter/attack aircraft similar to the USAF F-16.  It's not as big or powerful as the Tomcat, but was a generation ahead.
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Re: F-14 Tomcat: Did the Navy Make a Bad Call Retiring this Fighter?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2023, 09:15:25 pm »
Well, the F-14 and the F-18 are two different animals, originally with two different missions.  The F-14 was designed and built to be a fast interceptor to take out incoming Soviet Backfire bombers and cruise missiles with the Phoenix missile system.  It only became a dogfighter by chance after when we started tangling with the Libyans in 1981.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1981/08/20/us-navy-fighters-shoot-down-2-libyan-jets/324a4b20-d0c7-42c2-a61a-92b51c7012eb/

The F/A-18 was envisioned as a shorter-ranged, multi-mission fighter/attack aircraft similar to the USAF F-16.  It's not as big or powerful as the Tomcat, but was a generation ahead.

The original intent was for the F/A-18 to replace the aging F-4 and A-7. The F-4 and A-7 were two different planes with different maintenance, from parts to schedules and procedures. The F/A-18 was one modern plane that could be configured for either fighter or attack missions. The F/A-18 was developed from the XF-17, which competed against the XF-16; the USAF liked the lower maintenance of a single engine; the USN liked twin engines for planes that would be flying over water.

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Alluding to my post above, "Siberia" at the displays company I worked at was the F-14 Power Supply test area. The thing was a switchmode power supply cobbled together using parts not really intended for that application. It was what could be done, ca. 1970, and its reliability sucked. This was after the design had been improved by one of the gurus of the switching power supply industry, Bob Boschert. Fast-forward to 1978, and the F/A-18 power supply had a pulse width modulator IC and switching transistors designed for use in switch mode power supplies. The performance and reliability improvement was dramatic.

The F-14 HUD didn't have its own combiner to reflect the display into the pilot's vision. The wind screen was used for that. While that sounds simpler, it limited the optical performance of the system, and alignment had to be done in the plane, probably not fun. The F/A-18 HUD used a one-and-a-half pane combiner, which could be aligned at the display level, in the factory :seeya: , or in the field. The brightness and optical performance was superior, with the extra half pane improving pilots' viewing angle. I saw HUD S/N 001 ship and tested parts for S/N 002. I probably aligned S/N 003 or 004. The F/A-18 HUD was also better than the A-10 Projection Unit (you figure out the acronym), so it was a generation and a half or two generations ahead of the F-14 HUD.
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