Author Topic: Updated: submarine exploring Titanic wreckage disappears in Atlantic Ocean: Coast Guard  (Read 16946 times)

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No doubt we'll learn all the gorey details of its manufacture, including reasons why other materials weren't considered, once the inevitable wrongful death suits are filed and litigated.

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Thinking about it the carbon fiber tube would have to be perfectly round in order for the forces to be balanced across the surface of the tube. If it goes oblong by a tiny amount it quickly fails. The two titanium end caps would keep the ends perfectly round but the center section was unbraced so that it was a completely open space for the passengers. That would seem to be the likely failure mechanism beyond accumulated fatigue causing stress fractures.

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Not to mention tapping sounds? Put me in, coach!

And supposedly the tapping sounds were every 30 minutes...

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Thinking about it the carbon fiber tube would have to be perfectly round in order for the forces to be balanced across the surface of the tube. If it goes oblong by a tiny amount it quickly fails. The two titanium end caps would keep the ends perfectly round but the center section was unbraced so that it was a completely open space for the passengers. That would seem to be the likely failure mechanism beyond accumulated fatigue causing stress fractures.

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No doubt we'll learn all the gorey details of its manufacture, including reasons why other materials weren't considered, once the inevitable wrongful death suits are filed and litigated.

At least one significant factor that attracted submersibles engineers to composites was weight (= buoyancy).
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Not to mention tapping sounds? Put me in, coach!

Yeah that was where they erred. If they had just STHU it might have been more forgivable.
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Not to mention tapping sounds? Put me in, coach!

@Smokin Joe

The tapping sounds could have came from tides flowing  through the Titanic,causing a metal cable or something else to  tap against the hull.

Or even the ground shifting under it.

Or who  knows how may other things?
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And supposedly the tapping sounds were every 30 minutes...

@DB

I missed reading about that one. I have no explanation for it other than a human  tapping on metal with a wrench or some  other heavy metal object
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Read the ‘iron-clad’ death waiver that doomed Titanic sub tourists signed

By Marjorie Hernandez
June 23, 2023

The five passengers who boarded the doomed OceanGate Titan submersible that imploded on its way to the wreck of the Titanic signed an iron-clad agreement that protects the company from any liability for what could happen to the vessel, including death.

The three-page document spells out the risks that passengers take when riding in the 23,000-pound Titan, including eye-popping wording such as how the craft “has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and may be constructed of materials that have not been widely used on human occupied submersible.”

The vessel suffered a “catastrophic implosion” during its descent, instantly killing all five passengers aboard, according to the US Coast Guard, which is heading the recovery operation to bring debris from the Titan to the surface and figure out what went wrong.

The document, which was provided to a passenger last summer, also states that the signer would “assume full responsibility for the risk of bodily injury, disability, death and property damage due to the negligence of [OceanGate] while involved in the operation,” according to TMZ, which was first to publish it.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/read-the-death-waiver-doomed-titanic-sub-tourists-signed/


The waiver is at the linked source

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Everything needs an escape clause like that. You may die... we don't care.

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Everything needs an escape clause like that. You may die... we don't care.

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Structural issues with Titan sub hull could have caused implosion: expert

By Emily Crane
June 23, 2023

Structural issues with the doomed Titan sub’s hull could be among the causes of the “catastrophic implosion” that destroyed the vessel and killed all five people on board in the depths of the Atlantic, an expert told The Post.

Investigators were hunting for clues on Friday as to how and why the OceanGate-owned submersible suddenly fell apart as it was descending toward the wreck of the Titanic this week.

While authorities say it is too early to tell the cause of the deep-sea disaster, one expert pointed to possible failures of the sub’s hull — its main body — as a likely explanation.

Virginia Tech ocean engineering professor Stefano Brizzolara suggested the sub’s pressure hull could have had a defect that may have fractured under the pressure and sparked an implosion.

“It is difficult to say what caused the structural failure in this case, but any small material and geometric imperfection, misalignment of connection flanges, tightening torque of bolted connection may have started the structural collapse,” Brizzolara said.

The Titan’s hull was constructed from two different materials: carbon fiber-reinforced plastic and titanium.

Brizzolara said the carbon fiber element is “very prone to possible defects” and that it “exhibits a more fragile behavior” than other materials — meaning that when it fails, it can break into small fragments.

The expert said the Titan’s repeated voyages down to the wreckage of the ocean liner may have also caused the hull to “deform and shrink.”

“These repeated deformation cycles may have started some material defects in the [carbon reinforced plastic] or some permanent deformations or misalignment between the two parts of the hull that were built with two different materials, which deform in a different way,” he said.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/structural-issues-with-titan-sub-hull-could-have-caused-implosion-expert/

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Nah, you don't say?
I thought it was a Kraken that got them...
Carbon fiber's strength is in tension, not compression.
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Read the ‘iron-clad’ death waiver that doomed Titanic sub tourists signed

By Marjorie Hernandez
June 23, 2023

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The waiver is at the linked source

Does the waiver hold if it turns out the submarine company was negligent in the construction or maintenance of the submersible??
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Brizzolara said the carbon fiber element is “very prone to possible defects” and that it “exhibits a more fragile behavior” than other materials — meaning that when it fails, it can break into small fragments.


I can testify... When carbon fiber fails under load, it shatters.

I would think that it would derive extra strength from being part of the radius at the ends... But a tube  does not have inherent strength... And there's a point about mating two different materials under pressure - Materials with much different reaction to that pressure.

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Does the waiver hold if it turns out the submarine company was negligent in the construction or maintenance of the submersible??

We're going to find out...

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Does the waiver hold if it turns out the submarine company was negligent in the construction or maintenance of the submersible??

Given this (Copied from @Kamaji above):“has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and may be constructed of materials that have not been widely used on human occupied submersible.” I would say that the answer is very likely Yes.

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I can testify... When carbon fiber fails under load, it shatters.

I would think that it would derive extra strength from being part of the radius at the ends... But a tube  does not have inherent strength... And there's a point about mating two different materials under pressure - Materials with much different reaction to that pressure.

The middle of the tube furthest from the titanium round ends has to remain perfectly round while under huge external forces or it collapses. Once it deforms even slightly - it is over.

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Given this (Copied from @Kamaji above):“has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and may be constructed of materials that have not been widely used on human occupied submersible.” I would say that the answer is very likely Yes.


Could he be said to have been defrauding them if he said it was safe? 
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I'm wonderin' how much in assets OceanGate Expeditions has left to sue...?

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Does the waiver hold if it turns out the submarine company was negligent in the construction or maintenance of the submersible??

Here's a link to the full waiver:

https://dam.tmz.com/document/b1/o/2023/06/22/b106a285e72448c3a7aef771402ffff0.pdf

It looks air tight to me.
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Everything needs an escape clause like that. You may die... we don't care.

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Well,if THEY don't  care,why should you?
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