Answering the Big Question: Ron or Don? By Alicia Colon

[roamer_1]

Well here's the problem with that, and it starts with Trump.

Dale Carnegie's 30 Principles To Win Friends & Influence People
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I'm not sure how many of these Trump ever follows, but it sure is easy to pick the ones he fails at. File it under when your ego is so big that you keep tripping over it.

Heh... Yeah... Might take a little fine tunin'. 

 

[roamer_1]

@GtHawk

Well,if you want to win friends,the way to do that is to be a polite politician that is just like every other politician and not make any waves.

The way to effect change is CLEARLY to keep doing what you have been doing most of your life,and continue to vote for the guy just like the last guy that lost.

@sneakypete

Your arguments might matter if Tumpy effected any change... OTHER THAN growing government and removing liberty....

Other than that... nothing. You come before us with an empty hand. 

[corbe]

@Hoodat

You must be a VERY sensitive fellow,because I THINK there might be MAYBE 4 or 5 hardcore Trump supporters posting here,and a whole damn PACK of DeSantis lunatics.

[sneakypete]

Himself.  A walking talking lying POS.

Unlike DeSantified,and every other professional pol that has ever lived,right?

But then that is why you like him.

With ALL due respect,ESAD.

[GtHawk]

@GtHawk

Well,if you want to win friends,the way to do that is to be a polite politician that is just like every other politician and not make any waves.

The way to effect change is CLEARLY to keep doing what you have been doing most of your life,and continue to vote for the guy just like the last guy that lost.

Explain to me what exactly that Trump accomplished during his term remains? Almost everything he accomplished was by EO, and yes I agree he accomplished good things...where are they now? erased day one by Biden because the great deal maker with his New York confrontational style could not get anything worked out with congress during the two years the republicans held everything.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein. Think about that because re-electing Trump with his leadership style of name calling insults and denigration and expecting to get anything accomplished by passing laws(if we keep congress and take the senate) is the very definition of insanity.

[Wingnut]

The stench coming from a rotting Trump corpse will continue to drive voters to other options.

[GtHawk]

Well about everything but the LUNATIC part

[Maj. Bill Martin]

FWIW, which isn't much, If Trump would shut up with the insulting names and run on his own victories he could have a winning platform.

All the man has to do is list his successful EOs that were shut down or copycatted by Biden.

What victories??  He gave us judges that the Federalist Society picked for him, and a tax bill written by Paul Ryan and rammed through Congress by Ryan and McConnell.

The rest of it was all fleeting EO's easily reversed by the biggest legacy Trump left, which was Biden/Harris and a Democrat Congress.

Trump lacked the brains to understand how the Administrative state works, and so was beaten easily by it.  He also lacked the interpersonal skills necessary to build coalitions to pass meaningful reform, and finally, he lacked the judgement to appoint and empower competent subordinates.

I read a lot of MAGA types defend Trump by saying "he obviously speaks in hyperbole, so you shouldn't judge him by his literal words."

The problem is his promises are all empty hyperbole as well.  He didn't drain the Swamp, he didn't appoint "only the best people", and he didn't "Make America Great Again.". His incompetence and massive personal flaws handed us over to the worst Administration in history, and if his alleged greatness can be undone that easily, it must not have been great at all.

The aftermath of a second Trump term would make Biden/Harris look like Reagan.

[sneakypete]

Explain to me what exactly that Trump accomplished during his term remains? Almost everything he accomplished was by EO, and yes I agree he accomplished good things...where are they now? erased day one by Biden because the great deal maker with his New York confrontational style could not get anything worked out with congress during the two years the republicans held everything.

@GtHawk

Let's see,you are blaming Trump for Congress overturning his accomplishments?????

GOOD thinking!



The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein.

Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"

Think about that because re-electing Trump with his leadership style of name calling insults and denigration and expecting to get anything accomplished by passing laws(if we keep congress and take the senate) is the very definition of insanity.

You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?

Doing the same thing over and over that has always failed is a sign of insanity.

[roamer_1]

Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"

You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?

Doing the same thing over and over that has always failed is a sign of insanity.

Alright @sneakypete ... Understand this:

The ONLY ones who have ever moved the needle to the Right have been Conservative movements and Conservative people.

Name the populist who has ever got anything done. Go ahead. I'll wait. Make a list.

Doing the same thing over and over is putting populists, or NEOCons, or liberals in there, expecting them to move us to the right.

The rare exception and the actual working end of the spear is Conservatives.

Right now we have the chance to put an actual TEA Party Conservative in there. A guy who has proven himself as both a Congressman and a governor. A guy who is not afraid to go against powerful corporations and liberal influences - Again, proven, and largely successfully.

That is not 'an establishment candidate like always'.

That is a Conservative.

[GtHawk]

Let's see,you are blaming Trump for Congress overturning his accomplishments?????

GOOD thinking!
I think I was more than clear on my part, Trump was unable to work with a republican congress(remember that first two years?) to achieve anything by getting laws enacted, the operative word is laws. Everything Trump got done was by EO which BIDEN overturned/erased in the first minutes of his residency.

Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"

Silly Rabbit, Trump is the establishment candidate that you are pushing

You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?

I never once said we need a gentlemen, but Trump's style of insult, antagonism and childishness is a big reason he didn't get anything done with his congressional majority...It's just not the same as being the top dog of your own company where you fire people if they don't do as you say(which oddly enough Mr. your fired just couldn't pull the trigger as President) In government you have to work with people and Trump didn't. Aren't you ever going to get past your orange man bad, rich person envy, Bush baloney and make substantive arguments?

Every day Trump with his childish vindictiveness, outright lies and stupid statements as he made today about Veterans drives more conservatives away from him, but I guess it's OK since more than once we have been told that Trump doesn't need us...more like Trump doesn't want us, I guess that's why he does what he does.

[Kamaji]

I see your point, XXXX, but I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification.

That might be a legitimate argument if Trump had, in fact, gotten anything done.  But he didn't.  He got a few little tokens accomplished here and there, but for the most part, he revelled in making enemies and pissing people off - including the people whose support he needed to get anything done.

And, for the record, the three Supreme Court justices were not his accomplishment - that was McConnell and the Federalist Society, with Trump playing the Bidenesque role of shutting up and doing what he's told, no doubt because he was promised all of the credit - and neither were the 2017 tax reforms - those were the brainchild of Paul Ryan and Co.

The wall would have been an authentic Trump accomplishment, but because he couldn't stop himself from making enemies and alienating the people whose support he needed, whatever he did was through executive order, which was promptly undone by Biden.

[sneakypete]

Let's see,you are blaming Trump for Congress overturning his accomplishments?????

GOOD thinking!

I think I was more than clear on my part, Trump was unable to work with a republican congress(remember that first two years?) to achieve anything by getting laws enacted, the operative word is laws.

"ALLEGED Republican congress"

Everything Trump got done was by EO which BIDEN overturned/erased in the first minutes of his residency.

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So,it would have been better to not  do that at all?

Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"

Silly Rabbit, Trump is the establishment candidate that you are pushing

One of us is silly,and it's not me.


You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?

I never once said we need a gentlemen, but Trump's style of insult, antagonism and childishness is a big reason he didn't get anything done with his congressional majority...It's just not the same as being the top dog of your own company where you fire people if they don't do as you say(which oddly enough Mr. your fired just couldn't pull the trigger as President) In government you have to work with people and Trump didn't. Aren't you ever going to get past your orange man bad, rich person envy, Bush baloney and make substantive arguments?

"Rude Orange Man,blah,blah,blah."

What we need is a Presidential candidate with manners,huh?

 Maybe Jeb Bush will run?

Every day Trump with his childish vindictiveness, outright lies and stupid statements as he made today about Veterans drives more conservatives away from him, but I guess it's OK since more than once we have been told that Trump doesn't need us...more like Trump doesn't want us, I guess that's why he does what he does.
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Are you  "Miss Manners" in "real life?

[Idiot]

DeSantis has an actual chance to be elected President, if even ever so slight.  Trump has ZERO chance.

[Wingnut]

DeSantis has an actual chance to be elected President, if even ever so slight.  Trump has ZERO chance.

Agreed.  The man is toxic waste.  The EPA should declare him a waste dump and clean his slime up.

[sneakypete]

Agreed.  The man is toxic waste.  The EPA should declare him a waste dump and clean his slime up.

@Wingnut

I hope  you enjoy Biden's second term,as he give it to you "good and hard"!"

[Hoodat]

Silly Rabbit, Trump is the establishment candidate that you are pushing

This cannot be emphasized enough.  It was that way in 2016.  It was that way in 2020.  And it will be that way in 2024.  Whatever it takes to hold in check the real threat - Conservatism.  Now, let's make sure we keep backing the McCarthys, the McConnells, and the McDaniels of the GOP.

[GtHawk]

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So,it would have been better to not  do that at all?



Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"

One of us is silly,and it's not me.


You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?

"Rude Orange Man,blah,blah,blah."

What we need is a Presidential candidate with manners,huh?

 Maybe Jeb Bush will run?


Are you  "Miss Manners" in "real life?

Are never not going to excuse every failure by Trump by throwing insults at the person that points them out?

[sneakypete]

Are never not going to excuse every failure by Trump by throwing insults at the person that points them out?

@GtHawk

You are confusing insults with reality.

[Wingnut]

@GtHawk

You are confusing insults with reality.

Take another toke.  You are over the line

[Right_in_Virginia]

What victories?? 

The aftermath of a second Trump term would make Biden/Harris look like Reagan.

Video 1:

https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1662104111343366145


Video 2:

https://twitter.com/miguelifornia/status/1660742523281874944


Video 3:

https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/1663001579014836224

[Right_in_Virginia]

"THERE IS ONLY ONE!!!" (Video)

https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1661500826643226626

[Smokin Joe]

Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like ---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.

You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.

You have ignored an incredible body of posts to draw a conclusion not supported by evidence. 

Please cease soiling the forum with tired false dichotomies.

If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic Sport, some people would be a shoo-in for Gold.

[Hoodat]

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“A 27-point swing…”

I want you to remember this tweet when DeSantis repeats that against Trump.

[sneakypete]

I want you to remember this tweet when DeSantis repeats that against Trump.

@Hoodat

You are starting to sound like the ultimate "fan boi".

Then again,desperation is rarely pretty.