Answering the Big Question: Ron or Don? By Alicia Colon

[mystery-ak]

May 29, 2023
Answering the Big Question: Ron or Don?
By Alicia Colon

A very dear friend and a former Heritage Foundation associate responded to my last column on American Thinker with the following:

Happy to tell you in a private email why the GOP needs to dump Trump (for whom I voted twice), but it requires too many bad words that would cause my dear late mother to go for the soap for use in a public forum. For starters, let's just say he's a thin-skinned, immature, undisciplined **shole who is ignorant by choice, erratic in his behavior, and disloyal. And those are some of his better points. Do I hate him? No. But I hate his type.

I dearly hope he’s still my dear friend after he reads my response:

I see your point, XXXX, but I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification.

This goes on
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/05/answering_the_big_question_ron_or_don.html

[sneakypete]

@mystery-ak

I don't have a clue who  Alicia Colon is,but I am beginning to like her.

[roamer_1]

The friend is right.

'He's a megalomaniac, but he's OUR megalomaniac' is damn thin sauce.

Howabout NO megalomaniacs? That's more in line with what our country has always fought and died for.

And the martyr bit has always been thin to me - Most of it he brings on himself.

And what he did for this country... Pretty close to nothing lasting for the ages. We stand today with an empty hand.

The choice today is crystal clear.

[Right_in_Virginia]

And the martyr bit has always been thin to me - Most of it he brings on himself.

We have witnessed seven years of proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against one man ---- and his supporters.

What, exactly, did Trump "bring on himself?

[roamer_1]

We have witnessed seven years of proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against one man ---- and his supporters.

What, exactly, did Trump "bring on himself?

It's his shtick. He pisses everybody off. It's what he does. He's a chaos con.

It's no surprise he receives retaliation. And since he even has pissed off his own, no one is there to stand with him... Except for his adoring horde... Which is worthless in his defense, politically or legally.

Has he been treated badly? Sure. So has literally every other Republican president and governor and congressman and senator... Even those named McCain.

Has he been treated worse than most? Sure. But that is in large part due to his own confrontational style.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It's his shtick. He pisses everybody off. It's what he does. He's a chaos con.

It's no surprise he receives retaliation.

Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like ---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.

You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.   

[roamer_1]

Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like [...]

Not at all - And I am on the record DEFENDING him in many cases.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with him, or, God forbid, vote for him.
Or be blind to his own culpability in his various and sundry dilemmas.

---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.

You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.

A GLARING false dichotomy wrapped in a juvenile insult... How predictable.
The logical course of which is:

If you ain't for Tumpy you are for, or with, 'Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.'

A ridiculous assertion that holds no weight.
A thousand times I have cried, "A pox on BOTH their houses." And it applies here.
I am with neither. BOTH sides are a stench in the nostrils.

And that is a perfectly valid position, and why you find me defending Conservatism rather than Republicans, and certainly in the main, rather than big.gov populist drama queen Tumpy.

[corbe]

   You already lost that argument @Right_in_Virginia (and other Trumpers here) when you state that Conservatives that can't find peace with Trump hump the legs of liberals.  Shame on You.

[DB]

   You already lost that argument @Right_in_Virginia (and other Trumpers here) when you state that Conservatives that can't find peace with Trump hump the legs of liberals.  Shame on You.

It's all they've got.

[Hoodat]

Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like ---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.

You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.

What in the heck does this even mean?  Who is this person snuggling in bet with Obama, Clinton, et al?  And how can someone be fascist and Conservative at the same time?  The two philosophies are diametrically opposed.  Geez.

[Fishrrman]

"I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification."

Works for me.

When one is drawing the most flak, it can reasonably be assumed that one is "over the target".

And never... NEVER... in my time of political awareness have I seen "a target" draw as much flak as does Mr. Trump.

That tells me sumthin'.

[GtHawk]

What in the heck does this even mean?  Who is this person snuggling in bet with Obama, Clinton, et al?  And how can someone be fascist and Conservative at the same time?  The two philosophies are diametrically opposed.  Geez.

C'mon Man! Don't you know if you string a bunch of words, ridiculous accusations, insults and slurs together you have a whining argument.

[sneakypete]

   You already lost that argument @Right_in_Virginia (and other Trumpers here) when you state that Conservatives that can't find peace with Trump hump the legs of liberals.  Shame on You.

@corbe  @Right_in_Virginia

Corbe is right. Those who can't find peace with the left,get THEIR  legs,and everywhere else,"humped by the left".

BTW,there  is nothing  not  ever the SLIGHTEST bit "liberal" about Fascists,so quit calling them "liberals".

[berdie]

FWIW, which isn't much, If Trump would shut up with the insulting names and run on his own victories he could have a winning platform.

All the man has to do is list his successful EOs that were shut down or copycatted by Biden.

[roamer_1]

@corbe  @Right_in_Virginia

Corbe is right. Those who can't find peace with the left,get THEIR  legs,and everywhere else,"humped by the left".

@sneakypete

That ain't what @corbe said.

BTW,there  is nothing  not  ever the SLIGHTEST bit "liberal" about Fascists,so quit calling them "liberals".

To the contrary, most of the tyranny in our lifetime has come from fascism, and very definitely from socialists or communists (read 'liberals' here today)

[sneakypete]

FWIW, which isn't much, If Trump would shut up with the insulting names and run on his own victories he could have a winning platform.

All the man has to do is list his successful EOs that were shut down or copycatted by Biden.

@berdie

Yeah,but if he did that,he wouldn't be Trump. We NEED a "verbal bomb thrower" in the WH to wake everybody up to what has been going on.

ESPECIALLY one that can only  serve  one term and has nothing to lose.

[sneakypete]

"I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification."

Works for me.

When one is drawing the most flak, it can reasonably be assumed that one is "over the target".

And never... NEVER... in my time of political awareness have I seen "a target" draw as much flak as does Mr. Trump.


@Fishrrman

Me,either. ESPECIALLY not from his own party,that has history of either loser,or running a "Dim Lite Candidate".  How the HELL are you supposed to get any of that "change" you keep claiming you want if you keep voting for the "the usual suspect"?

That tells me sumthin'.

Yup!

[Cyber Liberty]

I personally am not deciding until the AZ Presidential Preference poll in February or March.

This is my way, I am not a bandwagon chaser.  I don't see how I can check the box for Trump this time.

[roamer_1]

I personally am not deciding until the AZ Presidential Preference poll in February or March.

This is my way, I am not a bandwagon chaser.  I don't see how I can check the box for Trump this time.

Right. I am trying like crazy to avoid this crap for at least a YEAR... Sometimes the bullsh*t is so deep I have to say something. 

[Hoodat]

Right. I am trying like crazy to avoid this crap for at least a YEAR... Sometimes the bullsh*t is so deep I have to say something. 

The Trump zealots are making it easy for me.  Every time they come in here and begin spreading lies, it pushes me even further away from Trump.

[roamer_1]

The Trump zealots are making it easy for me.  Every time they come in here and begin spreading lies, it pushes me even further away from Trump.

Maybe a 'for Dummies Trumpsters' edition of this:



 

[GtHawk]

Maybe a 'for Dummies Trumpsters' edition of this:



 

Well here's the problem with that, and it starts with Trump.

Dale Carnegie's 30 Principles To Win Friends & Influence People
1. Don't Criticize, Condemn or Complain
2. Give Honest, Sincere, Appreciation
3. Arouse In The Other Person An Eager Want
4. Become Genuinely Interested In Other People
5. Smile
6. Remember That A Person's Name Is To That Person The Sweetest And Most Important Sound In Any Language
7. Be A Good Listener. Encourage Others To Talk About Themselves
8. Talk In Terms Of The Other Person's Interests
9. Make The Other Person Feel Important - And Do It Sincerely
10. The Only Way To Get The Best Of An Argument Is To Avoid It
11. Show Respect For The Other Person's Opinion. Never Say, "You're Wrong."
12. If You Are Wrong Admit It Quickly And Emphatically
13. Begin In A Friendly Manner
14. Get The Other Person Saying "Yes, Yes"
15. Let The Other Person Do A Great Deal Of The Talking
16. Let The Other Person Feel That The Idea Is His Or Hers
17. Try Honestly To See Things From The Other Person's Point Of View
18. Be Sympathetic With The Other Person's Ideas And Desires
19. Appeal To The Nobler Motives
20. Dramatize Your Ideas
21. Throw Down A Challenge
22. Begin With Praise And Honest Appreciation
23. Call Attention To People's Mistakes Indirectly
24. Talk About Your Own Mistakes Before Criticizing The Other Person
25. Ask Questions Instead Of Giving Direct Orders
26. Let The Other Person Save Face
27. Praise The Slightest Improvement And Praise Every Improvement. Be "Hearty In Your Approbation And Lavish In Your Praise".
28. Give The Other Person A Fine Reputation To Live Up To
29. Use Encouragement. Make The Fault Seem Easy To Correct
30. Make The Other Person Happy About Doing The Thing You Suggest

I'm not sure how many of these Trump ever follows, but it sure is easy to pick the ones he fails at. File it under when your ego is so big that you keep tripping over it.

[sneakypete]

The Trump zealots are making it easy for me.  Every time they come in here and begin spreading lies, it pushes me even further away from Trump.

@Hoodat

You must be a VERY sensitive fellow,because I THINK there might be MAYBE 4 or 5 hardcore Trump supporters posting here,and a whole damn PACK of DeSantis lunatics.

[sneakypete]

Well here's the problem with that, and it starts with Trump.

Dale Carnegie's 30 Principles To Win Friends & Influence People
1. Don't Criticize, Condemn or Complain
2. Give Honest, Sincere, Appreciation
3. Arouse In The Other Person An Eager Want
4. Become Genuinely Interested In Other People
5. Smile
6. Remember That A Person's Name Is To That Person The Sweetest And Most Important Sound In Any Language
7. Be A Good Listener. Encourage Others To Talk About Themselves
8. Talk In Terms Of The Other Person's Interests
9. Make The Other Person Feel Important - And Do It Sincerely
10. The Only Way To Get The Best Of An Argument Is To Avoid It
11. Show Respect For The Other Person's Opinion. Never Say, "You're Wrong."
12. If You Are Wrong Admit It Quickly And Emphatically
13. Begin In A Friendly Manner
14. Get The Other Person Saying "Yes, Yes"
15. Let The Other Person Do A Great Deal Of The Talking
16. Let The Other Person Feel That The Idea Is His Or Hers
17. Try Honestly To See Things From The Other Person's Point Of View
18. Be Sympathetic With The Other Person's Ideas And Desires
19. Appeal To The Nobler Motives
20. Dramatize Your Ideas
21. Throw Down A Challenge
22. Begin With Praise And Honest Appreciation
23. Call Attention To People's Mistakes Indirectly
24. Talk About Your Own Mistakes Before Criticizing The Other Person
25. Ask Questions Instead Of Giving Direct Orders
26. Let The Other Person Save Face
27. Praise The Slightest Improvement And Praise Every Improvement. Be "Hearty In Your Approbation And Lavish In Your Praise".
28. Give The Other Person A Fine Reputation To Live Up To
29. Use Encouragement. Make The Fault Seem Easy To Correct
30. Make The Other Person Happy About Doing The Thing You Suggest

I'm not sure how many of these Trump ever follows, but it sure is easy to pick the ones he fails at. File it under when your ego is so big that you keep tripping over it.

@GtHawk

Well,if you want to win friends,the way to do that is to be a polite politician that is just like every other politician and not make any waves.

The way to effect change is CLEARLY to keep doing what you have been doing most of your life,and continue to vote for the guy just like the last guy that lost.

[Wingnut]

What, exactly, did Trump "bring on himself?

Himself.  A walking talking lying POS.  But then that is why you like him.