Trump Shreds DeSantis: He ‘Can’t Win the General Election’ Because of Record on Entitlement Programs

[corbe]

   Weren't that what Al Gore's lockboxes were about?

[sneakypete]

Show me the law that says that

@LMAO


Show me the law that says it is legal.

[sneakypete]

You paid taxes to support people who are now dead.  That money is gone.  The working age population could vote to cut you off at any time.  Might as well face the ugly truth - it’s a Ponzi Scheme. I have never understood the affection people have for SSA. It’s something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

@cato potatoe

Which means you grew up privleged,not poor. I remember watching my father get on his knees in the bathtub and pull some of his own teeth (I think it  was 3 or them) one weekend because he couldn't afford to lose a half-day of work,or maybe a full day,to go to a dentist. He used a pair of pump pliers and a nut pick.

The day he got so old he had to quit working was the same day he and my mother had no income.

The first place I can remember living was in an abandoned camper trailer in the woods because my  family  couldn't afford to pay rent while he looked for a job and got his first paycheck. Even then,the house we rented after he did get a job didn't have running water . It had a hand pump that had to be primed. It didn't have a toilet either. It had an outhouse. Got cold in the winter because the only heat came from the kitchen stove,and we couldn't afford to run it unless my mother was cooking,or first thing in the morning when we all got out of our beds. We lived there for a year or two before we could afford to move into a good house with central heat and running hot water.

My older brother (he was 12 at the time) came down with Type 1 diabetes and spend time in a hospital recovering,and of course we didn't have any health insurance. I don't think many working-class families did back in the early 50's.

He finally had to quit working as a carpenter when he was in his 60's,and starting drawing SS.

There was nothing remarkable about his circumstances back then. It was common for working-class people.

I am sure there are others here with similar family histories.

[sneakypete]

??? It's one thing to pay taxes on goods, property, etc., and it's quite another to have money taken out of your check for your labor.

That is what I object to.  You get paid to work a job; that is your labor...to be taxed for working is ridiculous -- again, regardless of law, to be taxed on your labor is plain absurd. The gov't didn't lay those bricks, nail shingles, cut wood to build houses, paint, answer the phone, serve dinner, bake a cake, clean homes, clean a sewer, work on an oil rig, teach a class, drive a bus, etc. However money is automatically taken out for your labor before you see a dime.  So -- $$ is taken out for your labor.  Think about it.  On your paycheck stubs for your labor it indicates $$ automatically deducted going into FICA and Medicare. 7.6% of money that you worked for is automatically deducted.

So, don't tell me it isn't MY money. The gov't didn't do my darn job.

That is just plain WRONG!

@libertybele

Ok,so WHERE was/is the government supposed to get all the money to build roads,sewers,water systems,etc,etc,etc,if not from tax money?

Simple question,and I expect an answer given that you  are so convinced they don't need  to tax citizens.

[LMAO]

@LMAO


Show me the law that says it is legal.

You made the claim that spending Social Security money on other things outside of SS  was  a crime. Show me the law that says that.

I will help you out. There is nothing that says that money collected for Social Security must all be spent on Social Security payments.

[LMAO]

For those that are claiming that the law on SS is subservient to their feelings, and that they’re entitled to that  money they paid into Social Security, what legal recourse do you believe you have if tomorrow the government said we’re taking Social Security money and we’re going to invest it in green energy?

Answer… You would be  shit out of luck if they did that. That’s why I’ll never understand why people have so much faith in government to take care of them.

[LMAO]

@LMAO



As for even those entitled to it getting more than they paid in,there is no secret about this. It's called "inflation".

That is not the reason why many people are getting more in SS benefits than they paid into it. It’s laughable you think that the reason  is inflation.

[LMAO]

It’s mind-boggling how people think that their  personal beliefs and opinions somehow overrides the law

Nobody is entitled to Social Security benefits. I don’t care what a politician tells you.  Barack Obama claimed that you would still get to keep your insurance plan under his Obamacare. But if you read the ObamaCare law, and the requirements it places on insurance,  there was no way that most people would be able to keep their plans

It didn’t matter what Obama told people or what he promised people. What mattersed is what the law said.

[roamer_1]

Nobody is entitled

There's the truth of it. There is no entitlement. Other then the protection of our rights.

[cato potatoe]

Which means you grew up privleged,not poor.

Nope, not privileged like con artist Donald Trump, who prefers to hire third world migrants, but also delights in stiffing people like your father.  The stories are endless. 

Social Security is a rather successful scam which has kept the bulk of Americans desperate for a monthly check, and fearful of any changes to the law.  Most of them have no financial independence because they were required to participate in a Ponzi scheme. 

[LMAO]

Social Security is a rather successful scam which has kept the bulk of Americans desperate for a monthly check, and fearful of any changes to the law.  Most of them have no financial independence because they were required to participate in a Ponzi scheme.

Not just fearful, but entitled. You can see it here. We have posters that believe that it’s their money that was taken out of their check and put away for them for their future and no amount of telling them that that’s not the law is convincing them.  You can’t talk people out of their fantasies.

[Bigun]

Nope, not privileged like con artist Donald Trump, who prefers to hire third world migrants, but also delights in stiffing people like your father.  The stories are endless. 

Social Security is a rather successful scam which has kept the bulk of Americans desperate for a monthly check, and fearful of any changes to the law.  Most of them have no financial independence because they were required to participate in a Ponzi scheme.

The ONLY difference between what Bernie Madoff did and what our government continually does is government backing. 

Somebody please point me to the constitutional language that authorizes government run insurance schemes, I can't find it.

[massadvj]

@libertybele

Ok,so WHERE was/is the government supposed to get all the money to build roads,sewers,water systems,etc,etc,etc,if not from tax money?

Simple question,and I expect an answer given that you  are so convinced they don't need  to tax citizens.

User fees.

There are some things that need to get funded beyond that, especially defense.  But those things should not amount to more than 10 percent of GDP, maybe a bit more in war time. Ten percent of GDP could easily be collected with a VAT, national sales tax or flat income tax of some kind.  There is no need for the kind of intrusion into our personal lives that the IRS engages in.

[Bigun]

User fees.

There are some things that need to get funded beyond that, especially defense.  But those things should not amount to more than 10 percent of GDP, maybe a bit more in war time. Ten percent of GDP could easily be collected with a VAT, national sales tax or flat income tax of some kind.  There is no need for the kind of intrusion into our personal lives that the IRS engages in.

I'm all in for the method universally endorsed by our founders. Taxes on articles of consumption only!

[libertybele]

Not just fearful, but entitled. You can see it here. We have posters that believe that it’s their money that was taken out of their check and put away for them for their future and no amount of telling them that that’s not the law is convincing them.  You can’t talk people out of their fantasies.

Fantasy?  How is it a fantasy that every single paycheck money is taken out and how is it a fantasy that on that paycheck $$ is appropriated to FICA and Medicare?  Thinking that it doesn't happen or that there is some justification to tax me on my labor is fantasy.

[libertybele]

User fees.

There are some things that need to get funded beyond that, especially defense.  But those things should not amount to more than 10 percent of GDP, maybe a bit more in war time. Ten percent of GDP could easily be collected with a VAT, national sales tax or flat income tax of some kind.  There is no need for the kind of intrusion into our personal lives that the IRS engages in.

Amen!

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Ok,so WHERE was/is the government supposed to get all the money to build roads,sewers,water systems,etc,etc,etc,if not from tax money?

Simple question,and I expect an answer given that you  are so convinced they don't need  to tax citizens.

@sneakypete if you read my post I mention tax on goods -- again what I have a problem with is being taxed on my labor.

[Hoodat]

The ONLY difference between what Bernie Madoff did and what our government continually does is government backing. 

Also with Madoff, you had a choice.  You didn't have to 'invest' with him if you didn't want to.  But with Social Security, there is no such choice.  You are forced to invest at the point of a gun.

If Madoff deserved prison, then many times more so for those who plague us with Social Security, the greatest guarantor of cyclical poverty that our government has ever engaged in.

[Bigun]

Also with Madoff, you had a choice.  You didn't have to 'invest' with him if you didn't want to.  But with Social Security, there is no such choice.  You are forced to invest at the point of a gun.

If Madoff deserved prison, then many times more so for those who plague us with Social Security, the greatest guarantor of cyclical poverty that our government has ever engaged in.

The social security payroll tax is the most regressive tax in existence. If you earn any amount you pay it!

[Kamaji]

The social security payroll tax is the most regressive tax in existence. If you earn any amount you pay it!

And once you earn above a certain amount, you stop paying the social security portion of the payroll tax (the medicare tax does not have a cap), which makes it doubly regressive.

[DCPatriot]

Fantasy?  How is it a fantasy that every single paycheck money is taken out and how is it a fantasy that on that paycheck $$ is appropriated to FICA and Medicare?  Thinking that it doesn't happen or that there is some justification to tax me on my labor is fantasy.

    We finally agree on something, lately!!   

And for most of my working careers I was a 1099 Independent Contractor.

But I remember my 1st part time job when in high school, working a short-order grill.

$1.25 an hour. 

They took money out of that for FICA   

[Hoodat]

And once you earn above a certain amount, you stop paying the social security portion of the payroll tax (the medicare tax does not have a cap), which makes it doubly regressive.

Another way it violates equal protection is by allowing exemptions for government workers.  If you work for a state or local government that has its own retirement fund, you don't have to pay social security taxes.

[Kamaji]

Another way it violates equal protection is by allowing exemptions for government workers.  If you work for a state or local government that has its own retirement fund, you don't have to pay social security taxes.

That's not a violation of equal protection.

[Hoodat]

That's not a violation of equal protection.

A public school teacher can opt out while a private school teacher cannot?  That violates equal protection.  If one person can voluntarily opt out, then anyone should be able to opt out.

[Kamaji]

A public school teacher can opt out while a private school teacher cannot?  That violates equal protection.  If one person can voluntarily opt out, then anyone should be able to opt out.

No, it does not.  Why?  Why should everyone be able to opt out?  That might make good policy - one could debate that - but equal protection is a Constitutional right, and not a matter of judgment in the wisdom, or lack, of a certain policy.