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Trump Shreds DeSantis: He ‘Can’t Win the General Election’ Because of Record on Entitlement Programs

Former President Donald Trump blasted Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) ahead of his presidential campaign launch on Wednesday, asserting he would be doomed to fail in the general election after voting to overhaul entitlement programs when he was a congressman.

Trump, the leading Republican presidential candidate, took to Truth Social to hit DeSantis’s support of legislation that took aim at Social Security and Medicare during his time in Congress :

Ron DeSanctus can’t win the General Election (or get the Nomination) because he VOTED TO OBLITERATE SOCIAL SECURITY, EVEN WANTING TO RAISE THE MINIMUM AGE TO 70 (or more!), VOTED TO BADLY WOUND MEDICARE, AND FOUGHT HARD AND VOTED FOR A 23% “TAX ON EVERYTHING” SALES TAX.

He wrote that DeSantis “was, and is, a disciple of horrible RINO Paul Ryan, and others too many to mention.” Trump added, “he desperately needs a personality transplant and, to the best of my knowledge, they are not medically available yet.”

MAGA Inc, a Trump-aligned super PAC, has been critical of DeSantis regarding votes on entitlement programs. One ad from the super PAC suggests DeSantis has “pudding fingers,” which are “all over senior entitlement,” and notes he “voted to cut Social Security 3 times.”

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/05/24/trump-trashes-desantis-he-cant-win-the-general-election/

Really glad that Trump is choosing to make this an issue because it draws a very hard line between the two of them not just on this policy, but upon their entire approach to governing.  Do you do things because they seem to be popular/unpopular in the short term, or do you do what you think is actually the right thing to do?

Trump is against any kind of entitlement reform because he thinks it won't be popular.  Which, not coincidentally, was exactly why he handed the reins to Fauci during Covid.  Because standing up to him would have been too unpopular with the press, and he supposedly would have gotten hammered.

From May 2020 on, DeSantis went against the recommendations of Trump's federal government on Covid, and got blasted in the media, by Democrats, and by Fauci himself.  He did it anyway.  Here are a few sample articles from the summer of 2021 about how DeSantis wasn't buying Fauci's bullshit.

https://www.local10.com/news/politics/2021/06/04/desantis-criticizes-fauci-after-e-mail-release-florida-chose-freedom-over-faucism/

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/fauci-desantis-covid-florida/67-de0a6713-6410-44a2-9070-cde5a8c9b9b5

https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-criticizes-ron-desantis-over-dont-fauci-my-florida-merchandise-1624094

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/07/1034794180/fauci-desantis-vaccine

DeSantis did what he thought was right.  Trump did whatever he thought would cause him the fewest political problems.

So now, same issue with entitlements.  And I think the current state of entitlements running out of money is so bad that this is actually a winning issue for DeSantis.  Let Trump stake out the demagogic leftist position of pushing granny off the cliff in the wheelchair, and let DeSantis make the argument that granny is heading for that cliff already unless we do something fast.   Maybe Trump still wins, but at least we have an actual issue of substance/policy where a clear distinction can be drawn between the two candidates.


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It is funny that Trump thinks DeSantis needs a personality transplant. And Trump's campaign is an entitlement program.
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Medicare and Social Security are going to have to be dealt with in someway whether Trump likes it or not

When you’re 31 trillion in the hole and rising, everything needs to be on the table.
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It is funny that Trump thinks DeSantis needs a personality transplant. And Trump's campaign is an entitlement program.

I would agree that DeSsntis is not the most charismatic speaker in the world.  But that's not the basis on which I'm casting my vote anyway.
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I would agree that DeSsntis is not the most charismatic speaker in the world.  But that's not the basis on which I'm casting my vote anyway.

I meant that it is Trump that needs a transplant. I would like to see fire from DeSantis. If I wanted a nice guy there is still Jimmy Carter.
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He wrote that DeSantis “was, and is, a disciple of horrible RINO Paul Ryan, .....  :laugh: :laugh:  Gee, where have we heard that before?  :silly:  Such a crock.  Trump comes up with lies and repeats them enough times that people actually begin to believe them; a classic smear tactic.  Where's the proof Donald??
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He wrote that DeSantis “was, and is, a disciple of horrible RINO Paul Ryan, .....  :laugh: :laugh:  Gee, where have we heard that before.  Such a crock.  Trump comes up with lies and repeats them enough times that people actually begin to believe them; a classic smear tactic.  Where's the proof Donald??

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Trump Shreds DeSantis: He ‘Can’t Win the General Election’ Because of Record on Entitlement Programs

Former President Donald Trump blasted Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) ahead of his presidential campaign launch on Wednesday, asserting he would be doomed to fail in the general election after voting to overhaul entitlement programs when he was a congressman.

Voting to overhaul entitlement programs is a HUGE PLUS in my book.  Only a Democrat would complain about that.
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He wrote that DeSantis “was, and is, a disciple of horrible RINO Paul Ryan, .....  :laugh: :laugh:  Gee, where have we heard that before?  :silly:  Such a crock.  Trump comes up with lies and repeats them enough times that people actually begin to believe them; a classic smear tactic.  Where's the proof Donald??

Perhaps the most boasted accomplishment of Trump's Presidency is the tax cuts.  And he got them by handing the ball off to Paul Ryan.
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Perhaps the most boasted accomplishment of Trump's Presidency is the tax cuts.  And he got them by handing the ball off to Paul Ryan.

Exactly.

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Oh but wait, Trump is a Christian now, so he doesn't lie anymore.   :nono:
Yes, but he doesn't lie any less either, he's still at the same level of lies and smears as he was for 2016.

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Perhaps the most boasted accomplishment of Trump's Presidency is the tax cuts.  And he got them by handing the ball off to Paul Ryan.

Completely true.  Ryan also was the single biggest champion of entitlement reform since Reagan.  And Trump trashes him.

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How many trillions did the debt go up under Trump?
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How many trillions did the debt go up under Trump?

7.8 trillion.

Granted, a big chunk of that was for Covid. But we were already on an unsustainable path before that. Trump has given no indication that he’s found religion when it comes to spending.
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Medicare and Social Security are going to have to be dealt with in someway whether Trump likes it or not

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Of course,but "dealt with" does NOT mean "eliminated".

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When you’re 31 trillion in the hole and rising, everything needs to be on the table.

True,but there can be NO argument that there are other areas that demand attention more than progams like Medicare, SS retirement systems,etc,etc,etc.

Not that these systems do not have problems because they do,but a lot of those problems can be eased by eliminating payments and other expenses that go to illegal aliens and others who don't really qualify.

The truth is that NO "One entitlement system" is at blame. They are ALL a part of the problem,but the FAULT lies with the politicians that not only allowed this to happen,but encouraged it because they knew it was a sure way to get those votes.

The solution is to not only fire the officials who helped create this nightmare because it increased their salaries as well as their chances of keeping their jobs,and then "fire" the politicians that helped the globalists take control.

Once that is done and semi-normalcy has returned,THEN we can go after the globalists behind this like Bill Gates,seize their assets,and lock their asses UP.

In an ideal world that would happen. Unfortunately,we do not live in an ideal world,and the process of setting things right again is going to take a long time,even IF it does happen.
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Of course,but "dealt with" does NOT mean "eliminated".


True,but there can be NO argument that there are other areas that demand attention more than progams like Medicare, SS retirement systems,etc,etc,etc.


Not true, @sneakypete . Entitlements (last I looked, which was long ago) are HALF of spending.
There is no way to balance the budget, no way to stop the hemorrhaging without effecting entitlements... And they do not belong in the federal wheelhouse.

They should  be eliminated, and handed back to the states where they belong. There is no authority in the Constitution for charity. It does not belong to the feds.

And I say that with my ox being gored. I am back on disability, and will likely stay there for a year or two.

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Not true, @sneakypete . Entitlements (last I looked, which was long ago) are HALF of spending.
There is no way to balance the budget, no way to stop the hemorrhaging without effecting entitlements... And they do not belong in the federal wheelhouse.

They should  be eliminated, and handed back to the states where they belong. There is no authority in the Constitution for charity. It does not belong to the feds.

And I say that with my ox being gored. I am back on disability, and will likely stay there for a year or two.

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My disability payments from the army are "charity"?

My SS payments that I have paid in to ever since I was 17 are "charity"

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My disability payments from the army are "charity"?


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Nope, As I have said in prior conversations with you, The VA, military pensions, and the full variety of federal employee pensions belong to the Fed.

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My SS payments that I have paid in to ever since I was 17 are "charity"


No, that's a damn lie foisted upon me and you. And illegal, unconstitutional. It is outright thievery in a pyramid scheme that no other entity can use, BECAUSE it is thievery.

My social security and my disability, not being tied to government service, should have no business with the federal government. And neither should yours - That should be administered by the state, or by private investment.

When a full HALF of this government, that spends MORE than we make, is entitlements, you need look no further to see the corruption it has wrought - I read somewhere, many years ago, that on average, there are four people administrating for every client. Four people being paid way better than you ever were, with full bennies and health care, just to produce your entitlement check.

That is simply absurd. And the reason that can happen is because it is 'governed' off the books, beyond the reach of Congress, with automatic union driven pay. And no one ever does a damn thing BECAUSE it exists 2000 miles away. No Montana governor could survive such a ludicrous bill.

Believe me, return it to the states and it will quickly come in line, and with it, the cost of all medical services, the cost of medical machinery, the cost of the whole medical sector will collapse. Because it is the welfare system that is propping it up.

That's savings in megabucks, and with little difference to the people who actually deserve the help/ retirement...

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Nope, As I have said in prior conversations with you, The VA, military pensions, and the full variety of federal employee pensions belong to the Fed.

No, that's a damn lie foisted upon me and you. And illegal, unconstitutional. It is outright thievery in a pyramid scheme that no other entity can use, BECAUSE it is thievery.

My social security and my disability, not being tied to government service, should have no business with the federal government. And neither should yours - That should be administered by the state, or by private investment.

When a full HALF of this government, that spends MORE than we make, is entitlements, you need look no further to see the corruption it has wrought - I read somewhere, many years ago, that on average, there are four people administrating for every client. Four people being paid way better than you ever were, with full bennies and health care, just to produce your entitlement check.

That is simply absurd. And the reason that can happen is because it is 'governed' off the books, beyond the reach of Congress, with automatic union driven pay. And no one ever does a damn thing BECAUSE it exists 2000 miles away. No Montana governor could survive such a ludicrous bill.

Believe me, return it to the states and it will quickly come in line, and with it, the cost of all medical services, the cost of medical machinery, the cost of the whole medical sector will collapse. Because it is the welfare system that is propping it up.

That's savings in megabucks, and with little difference to the people who actually deserve the help/ retirement...
As we are well aware this will likely get worse as we slide into socialism/communism.

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As we are well aware this will likely get worse as we slide into socialism/communism.

Sure. But that is why it is so danged important to disabuse folks of the notion that there is no other way - There IS another way - A BETTER way.

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Believe me, return it to the states and it will quickly come in line, and with it, the cost of all medical services, the cost of medical machinery, the cost of the whole medical sector will collapse. Because it is the welfare system that is propping it up.


No,it won't. State politicians are STILL politicans,and what will happen is it will be stolen in 50 different ways,by 50 different bureaucrats and their staffs.

MUCH better to have your foe all sitting in one place and under one command.
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No,it won't. State politicians are STILL politicans,and what will happen is it will be stolen in 50 different ways,by 50 different bureaucrats and their staffs.

MUCH better to have your foe all sitting in one place and under one command.

Exactly WRONG.
That means ONE lobby, where they would be forced to function in fifty.
That means influence among 500 in the fed, versus influence among 25,000 in the various states.
That means one way, where there could be fifty experiments, finding better ways to do it.
That means distant unelected bureaucrats versus elected bureaucrats close to home.

'Governs least' is ALWAYS closest to the People.

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Exactly WRONG.
That means ONE lobby, where they would be forced to function in fifty.
That means influence among 500 in the fed, versus influence among 25,000 in the various states.
That means one way, where there could be fifty experiments, finding better ways to do it.
That means distant unelected bureaucrats versus elected bureaucrats close to home.

'Governs least' is ALWAYS closest to the People.

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IF we had a just judicial system,I would agree with you.

We don't.
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IF we had a just judicial system,I would agree with you.

We don't.

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So socialism then?
Bullcrap.

The way you fix ALL of it is taking power away from the federal government. Put the damn thing back in its Constitutional box, that is meant to bind it. That's where liberty lies. Always.

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