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MSNBC’s Hayes to DeSantis: Sex Change Treatment for Minors Is None of Your ‘xxxdamn Business’

Pam Key 19 May 2023
On Thursday, MSNBC host Chris Hayes said on his show “All In” that he believed Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) was infringing on the freedoms of families with a Florida law banning sex change therapy for minors.

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    HAYES: Ron DeSantis’s dystopian. authoritarian vision is most apparent in the legislation he just signed yesterday. It bans all gender-affirming care for all minors in Florida, everyone 18 or younger. That law also empowers state courts to change custody agreements if a child is receiving or is at risk of receiving gender-affirming care. Meaning taking a kid away from a parent.

    Telling parents how they can or cannot raise their own children is among the most authoritarian things that government can do. And now that is exactly what Ron DeSantis and the Republican Party in Florida and generally the conservative movement that endorses this are doing purely for ideological and punitive purposes.

    Now, the sick irony here, the one that I just can’t get over and really kind of sticks with me, is that the right-wing movement that gave us this new law signed yesterday is the very same group of people that screamed about parental rights for years amidst the pandemic. I get to say whether my kid wears a mask, I get to say whether my kid gets vaccinated. I get to say whether my kid goes to school. And Ron DeSantis was the public face of that movement.

    DESANTIS (CLIP): He wants to have the government force kindergartners to wear masks in school. He doesn’t believe the parents should have a say in that he thinks that should be a decision for the government. Well, I can tell you in Florida, the parents are going to be the ones in charge of that decision.

    Joe Biden suggests that if you don’t do lockdown policies, then you should, quote, get out of the way. But let me tell you this. If you’re coming after the rights of parents in Florida, I’m standing in your way. I’m not going to let you get away with it.

    HAYES: What a tough guy. You see all that swagger? He’s going to stand in your way if you’re coming after parental rights. If you try to tell a parent what they can do with their kids. That very same wing of the Republican Party embodied by Ron DeSantis and the government of the state of Florida, has now demanded and produced a situation in which the government that you saw there with the tough guy swagger about freedom? Is going to decide if your child. Who lives in your home that you gave birth to or raised, that you love your kid. What kind of care they can get. He decides. Care that, to be clear, the American Academy of Pediatrics supports and recommends.

    Think about what this means right now as I’m speaking to their parents and families in Florida who have decided as a family, as parents, along with their doctors, that this health care, gender-affirming care, is the best care for their kids. You may not like it. But you know what? It’s none of your, excuse me, damn business! To me, that is what the courage to be free means. Freedom means that in my household, our family decides what kind of health care our child does or does not get. Not Ron DeSantis. Not the Republican Party. But that is no longer the case in Florida.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/05/19/msnbcs-hayes-to-desantis-sex-change-treatment-for-minors-is-none-of-your-damn-business/
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Bullshit.  Protection of minors from sexual depredation and physical mutilation is a traditional interest of government that goes back beyond recorded history.  And that includes protecting minors from mutilation at the hands of their erstwhile parents and guardians.

It is absolutely a core concern of government.

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Bullshit.  Protection of minors from sexual depredation and physical mutilation is a traditional interest of government that goes back beyond recorded history.  And that includes protecting minors from mutilation at the hands of their erstwhile parents and guardians.

It is absolutely a core concern of government.

Absolutely right. And any parent or guardian subjecting a child to such a thing needs their head fixed.

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Absolutely right. And any parent or guardian subjecting a child to such a thing needs their head fixed.

And any parent or guardian subjecting a child to such a thing needs their head fixed to a pike.


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And any parent or guardian subjecting a child to such a thing needs their head fixed to a pike.

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And any parent or guardian subjecting a child to such a thing needs their head fixed to a pike.





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Funny how they are for parental rights when you follow their agenda, but when you don't your children are property of the State.
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Funny how they are for parental rights when you follow their agenda, but when you don't your children are property of the State.
Children who are in our public schools, yes they have become 'property' of the State.
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Yes, I want to hear Hayes do the schools next.
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OK. What I am seeing here is a pattern of policy with DeSantis and the Florida Legislature.

Parents should decide if their kids are going to wear a mask.

Parents should decide whether their kids get a shot.

No kid should be mutilated.

Well, all these things sure seem to protect minors.

Masks were ineffective for viral protection and harbored bacteria, not to mention face coverings messing with early childhood development in terms of communication. No masks: a win.

Children were the LEAST of the risk groups, especially if they had no serious pre-existing medical problems. He didn't say you can't get the shot, just that it would not be required.

As it turns out the under 12 age bracket and that may well extend up to 18, were at little risk of dying from COVID, but had a notable risk of adverse reactions to the shots, with long-term effects still uncertain.

Another win, imho.

Now, he (with the legislature) steps up again to ward off the tender mutilations proposed by trans-activists, and once again, to keep children from being damaged in horrible ways that cannot be reversed.

What's the problem with that?
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Now, he (with the legislature) steps up again to ward off the tender mutilations proposed by trans-activists, and once again, to keep children from being damaged in horrible ways that cannot be reversed.

What's the problem with that?

Let's unpack that a little bit...

Let's say there is a legitimate need for the mangling proposed in a minor - I have a friend who that happened to... Albeit that his accident occurred a wee bit later, and he was no longer a minor... But the need was plain in that no other option remained.

So let's say, for the sake of the argument, that there are times when the legitimate exercise of a parental right, or right of a guardian, exists in a benevolent, or at least necessary way... Perhaps it could be said this law goes too far for those reasons - however few and far between they are.

Still such examples are exceedingly few - Most of these cases are to ease a mental dysphoria, having nothing to do with a dire need, with the exception that, children taken prior to puberty are easier to feminize. Without that single benefit, there can be no harm in waiting until the child reaches an age of autonomy, able to make decisions for himself.

And in fact, on the whole, the statistics suggest the decision will never be made, because in most cases, by far the majority, the childhood dysphoria disappears with time.

Still, if the very rare case exists (admitted for the argument), it could be said that curtailing the parental right is a bridge too far - And I am willing to entertain the point, if not quite ceding it. But even for those few, it still does nothing to the law - those few cases, either proven in court, or given succor by amendment, can seek their justice.

By far and away, according to statistics, this curtailment of parental right will in the end be rendered null by the passage of time in most cases, with no injury to anyone.