Ukraine 4

[DefiantMassRINO]

America doesn't need to be isolationist.

Put Americans' needs first.  Secure our damn Border first, then we can worry about protecting other nations' borders.

Stop taking it up the @$$ from the United Nations, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Economic Forum, OPEC, Chinese Communist Party, Saudi Arabia, etc.

America should have reciprocal trade practices with its trading partners.  If E.U. sticks it to US Tech Companies, stick it back to E.U. Tech.

Migrate, diversify, and secure some of our supply chains from the Eastern Hemisphere to the West Hemisphere.

[Bigun]

I believe the point was that Vindman, et al.,seem to have lied to Congress (not "to the world") when they said the CIA wasn't involved in building spy bases in Ukraine. Federal employees aren't supposed to lie to Congress.That Russia also spies on people is irrelevant and not the point.

I believe you are EXACTLY right @mountaineer

[DB]

I believe the point was that Vindman, et al.,seem to have lied to Congress (not "to the world") when they said the CIA wasn't involved in building spy bases in Ukraine. Federal employees aren't supposed to lie to Congress.That Russia also spies on people is irrelevant and not the point.

I disagree.

The larger point was an attempt at justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine where large numbers of people have died as a result. That excuse is an excuse to walk away from it all. That's a larger deal than liars lying to congress. It was already a given they lied.

[Bigun]

I disagree.

The larger point was an attempt at justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine where large numbers of people have died as a result. That excuse is an excuse to walk away from it all. That's a larger deal than liars lying to congress. It was already a given they lied.

I tolerated much from those who worked for me during my working life but the one sure fire way to get fired was to lie to me. Never tolerated that and never will. My government employees in particular.

[PeteS in CA]

More about what Ukraine is doing with the aid it is receiving:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPQU9zNKWc

[DB]

I tolerated much from those who worked for me during my working life but the one sure fire way to get fired was to lie to me. Never tolerated that and never will. My government employees in particular.

I totally understand that. Get caught in a lie, particularly one of consequence and you'll play hell earning my trust back again. Honorable people don't lie. Honorable people do make mistakes, but a purposeful lie is something else altogether. And that is one thing that will put me on the war path... I also have no interest interacting with dishonorable people, there's no trust.

[Smokin Joe]

I totally understand that. Get caught in a lie, particularly one of consequence and you'll play hell earning my trust back again. Honorable people don't lie. Honorable people do make mistakes, but a purposeful lie is something else altogether. And that is one thing that will put me on the war path... I also have no interest interacting with dishonorable people, there's no trust.

Conversely, I have found that if there is a problem, and you had anything to do with it or it falls under your purview, stating the problem, owning it, and coming up with a solution, promptly, will get you a lot of respect, and likely keep your employment as well. Those who hide the problem or try to blame others don't last long once it gets sorted.

[Bigun]

Conversely, I have found that if there is a problem, and you had anything to do with it or it falls under your purview, stating the problem, owning it, and coming up with a solution, promptly, will get you a lot of respect, and likely keep your employment as well. Those who hide the problem or try to blame others don't last long once it gets sorted.

 

[Bigun]

I totally understand that. Get caught in a lie, particularly one of consequence and you'll play hell earning my trust back again. Honorable people don't lie. Honorable people do make mistakes, but a purposeful lie is something else altogether. And that is one thing that will put me on the war path... I also have no interest interacting with dishonorable people, there's no trust.

 

[Hoodat]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b1d17o/local_telegram_channels_from_krasnoyarsk_report/

[mountaineer]

Olga Bazova
@OlgaBazova
US Republicans support negotiations between Ukraine and Russia - Politico

▪️ “The reality we face at the moment is that [the conflict] ends in a negotiated settlement,” said Florida Senator Marco Rubio. The only question is whether the Ukrainian or Russian side “will have more leverage” when the world comes to understand this.
▪️Ohio Senator J.D. Vance believes there is a “probably indefinite stalemate.” The politician hoped that “this will lead to some kind of settlement in which Ukraine will be able to save its country and the killings will stop.”
▪️As Politico notes, a few months ago such a position was not popular, but now the situation has changed, as the chances of Ukraine winning are considered by many to be low. In addition, not all members of the Republican Party are in favor of providing it with further assistance, but some still call for support from Kiev.

Putin is using the entire US Senate GOP as a weapon.
3:18 AM · Feb 28, 2024

[Timber Rattler]

Olga Bazova
@OlgaBazova
US Republicans support negotiations between Ukraine and Russia - Politico

▪️ “The reality we face at the moment is that [the conflict] ends in a negotiated settlement,” said Florida Senator Marco Rubio. The only question is whether the Ukrainian or Russian side “will have more leverage” when the world comes to understand this.
▪️Ohio Senator J.D. Vance believes there is a “probably indefinite stalemate.” The politician hoped that “this will lead to some kind of settlement in which Ukraine will be able to save its country and the killings will stop.”
▪️As Politico notes, a few months ago such a position was not popular, but now the situation has changed, as the chances of Ukraine winning are considered by many to be low. In addition, not all members of the Republican Party are in favor of providing it with further assistance, but some still call for support from Kiev.

Putin is using the entire US Senate GOP as a weapon.
3:18 AM · Feb 28, 2024

How can Zelensky be expected to negotiate with a bad faith liar like Vladimir Putin who has never kept his word about anything?

Vance is a moron.  The various euphemisms thrown about like "settlement" and "peace deal" amount to forcing surrender by Ukraine and a Russian victory.

[kevindavis007]

This is a surprise... NOT! Russia is not stopping at Ukraine folks and trust me Russia will try to attack the Baltic countries even though they are part of NATO.



@visegrad24
BREAKING:

Transnistria officially calls on Russia to come to its aid amid “economic pressure” from Moldova

The breakaway republic organized a “congress of deputies of all levels" for the first time in 18 years to vote on it.

Time to re-establish Moldova’s territorial integrity

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1762864708082675882

[kevindavis007]

How can Zelensky be expected to negotiate with a bad faith liar like Vladimir Putin who has never kept his word about anything?

Vance is a moron.  The various euphemisms thrown about like "settlement" and "peace deal" amount to forcing surrender by Ukraine and a Russian victory.

Why I hate today's GOP.

[kevindavis007]

Just an FYI:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1762614329101230264

[PeteS in CA]

Krasnoyarsk is about 2,500 straight-line miles from Ukraine.

Moldova, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are all Putin targets, though Ukraine is, ummm, complicating those desires.

[kevindavis007]

Krasnoyarsk is about 2,500 straight-line miles from Ukraine.

Moldova, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are all Putin targets, though Ukraine is, ummm, complicating those desires.

That is why we need to help Ukraine

[Cyber Liberty]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

William Tecumseh Sherman would.

[Timber Rattler]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

Better to support the Ukrainians NOW and let them do the fighting themselves rather than sacrificing our sons and daughters LATER when Putin finally goes after NATO in the Baltics or Poland.

[DB]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

Strawman. No one is asking for that other than some rare fringe nut. Russia needs to be stopped by people already willing to fight and die to stop them. Ukrainians. They've lived under Russia's thumb and would rather die than do it again. So arm the hell out of them and let them force Russia back into Russa. By letting Russia gobble up its neighbors at some point we will be forced to send our sons and daughters to contain them. Spend the resources now to prevent that in the future. There are numerous lessens in history that we don't have to repeat.

[Smokin Joe]

You would think we'd learn...

Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise they'd be unmolested.

We see how that worked out.

When Stalin was in power, the Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians when the Russians removed their grain harvest, even the seed grain, by force and took it back to Moscow to save the regime embarrassment, but also to feed (real) Russians. All this BS about Ukraine being part of Russia is just that.

Enough "Peace in our time" type concessions. You'd think that lesson was learned in the 1930s.

Send the Ukrainians what equipment they need to win.

[berdie]

You would think we'd learn...

Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise they'd be unmolested.

We see how that worked out.

When Stalin was in power, the Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians when the Russians removed their grain harvest, even the seed grain, by force and took it back to Moscow to save the regime embarrassment, but also to feed (real) Russians. All this BS about Ukraine being part of Russia is just that.

Enough "Peace in our time" type concessions. You'd think that lesson was learned in the 1930s.

Send the Ukrainians what equipment they need to win.

Not a single thing I can argue with! Great post.

[kevindavis007]

Better to support the Ukrainians NOW and let them do the fighting themselves rather than sacrificing our sons and daughters LATER when Putin finally goes after NATO in the Baltics or Poland.

or Alaska.

[kevindavis007]

Are you willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters for Ukraine?

Who is asking that we send troops to fight for Ukraine? 

[kevindavis007]

You would think we'd learn...

Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise they'd be unmolested.

We see how that worked out.

When Stalin was in power, the Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians when the Russians removed their grain harvest, even the seed grain, by force and took it back to Moscow to save the regime embarrassment, but also to feed (real) Russians. All this BS about Ukraine being part of Russia is just that.

Enough "Peace in our time" type concessions. You'd think that lesson was learned in the 1930s.

Send the Ukrainians what equipment they need to win.