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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2325 on: February 20, 2024, 06:41:19 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 20, 2024, 12:14:52 am
So, how is it that NATA and the EU have give Ukraine $35 billion and the US has chipped in $75 billion as of November of last year and they don't have $$ for ammo??  Something isn't right.
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That ~$105B was cash? Much/most was probably equipment and ammunition, and the cash used to buy more of both. The equipment has been used in fighting, successfully but not without losses. Similarly, the ammunition has been used in fighting, rather effectively as can be seen in videos and news reports that can be seen in this thread. Your image that the Ukrainians are sitting on that ~$105B is as silly as the debunked claims that Zelensky has bought two yachts with Ukraine War $$ or that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation on Earth.

The Ukraine War will end one of two ways: Russia will get part or all of Ukraine, furthering Putin's restoration of the Soviet Empire; Ukraine will get back territory Russia currently occupies. If Russia gets another chunk or all of Ukraine, Putin will work on deciding what nation will be his next target for partial or total conquest. "Give him what he wants" didn't work in 1938, and will work just as poorly in the 2020s.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2326 on: February 20, 2024, 07:47:38 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 20, 2024, 06:41:19 pm
That ~$105B was cash? Much/most was probably equipment and ammunition, and the cash used to buy more of both.

Most of the 'cash' went to the US State Department, USAID, NATO allies, and non-military Ukrainian bureaucrats.  It was mostly the drawdowns that resulted in Ukraine gaining military equipment.  And even in that, the DoD ripped them off, charging against new replacement prices for old equipment.  Even the M1A2s that were promised over a year ago ended up being M1A1s, even though they were charged the price of the A2s against the drawdown.

This regime is so corrupt.  Far more corrupt than Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2327 on: February 20, 2024, 11:50:08 pm »
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Why is the @FBI protecting Ukrainian art? How is that in the interest of the American people?
The FBI is an abomination. They waste $11 billion in tax dollars every year. Defund this feckless agency.

Nothing better to do, I guess.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2328 on: February 21, 2024, 01:04:25 am »
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Why is the @FBI protecting Ukrainian art? How is that in the interest of the American people?
The FBI is an abomination. They waste $11 billion in tax dollars every year. Defund this feckless agency.

Nothing better to do, I guess.

THIS is what they call 'aid for Ukraine' - giving money to the FBI.  The bureau gets their own slush fund for the upcoming election.  And Zelenskiy plays along hoping they might throw in a couple hundred thousand artillery shells somewhere along the way.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2329 on: February 22, 2024, 03:52:39 am »
Ukrainian Himars kill 65 Russian soldiers lining up to greet commander

Cameron Henderson  •  21 February 2024  •  4:23pm

More than 65 Russian soldiers have been killed in a Himars strike as they lined up in formation to greet a commander at a military base in the Donetsk region, Russian sources said.

Moscow-aligned military bloggers reported that three High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or Himars, struck a base of Russia’s 36th Separate Guards Motorised Rifle Brigade in the occupied village of Trudivs’ke in southern Donetsk.

Pictures and videos shared on social media appeared to show dozens of bodies strewn across a field, with others being lined up by survivors.

The strike was launched at about 9am on Tuesday when the military brigade was assembling, BBC Russia reported.  .  .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/21/himars-strike-kills-65-russian-soldiers-on-training-ground/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2330 on: February 22, 2024, 04:09:28 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2331 on: February 22, 2024, 04:12:24 am »
Another Russian Su-34 shot down.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2332 on: February 22, 2024, 04:24:03 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2333 on: February 22, 2024, 04:35:37 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2334 on: February 23, 2024, 11:13:35 pm »
Ukraine Shoots Down Second Highly Advanced Russian A-50 Spy Plane

Kaitlin Lewis    Feb 23, 2024  |  4:00 PM EST

The Ukrainian Air Force said its fighters on Friday shot down a Russian A-50 military spy plane, the second of the prized aircraft that Kyiv has claimed to destroy this year.

The Beriev A-50 is an airborne early warning and control jet used by Russia to help monitor Ukraine's air defenses. The aircraft typically fly with a crew of up to 15 personnel and are estimated to cost over $300 million to produce.

According to Russian and Ukrainian reports, an A-50 was brought down over the Sea of Azov late Friday. Kyiv officials took credit for the jet's destruction, although some Russian military bloggers said it was brought down by "friendly fire."

Ukraine's Air Force commander, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk, announced the downing of the A-50 in a post to Telegram, and thanked Kyiv's military intelligence "and all those who ensured the result."  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-shoots-down-second-highly-advanced-russian-50-spy-plane-1872986
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2335 on: February 24, 2024, 01:23:47 am »
Quote from: Jack Russell on February 22, 2024, 02:22:46 pm
But...according to Tucker they have fantastic grocery stores.  :laugh:
They've always kept a couple around for the tourists and visiting dignitaries...
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2336 on: February 24, 2024, 01:55:53 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 24, 2024, 01:23:47 am
They've always kept a couple around for the tourists and visiting dignitaries...

Kind of like Cuba had the world's best healthcare...
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« Reply #2337 on: February 24, 2024, 02:53:54 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 23, 2024, 11:13:35 pm
Ukraine Shoots Down Second Highly Advanced Russian A-50 Spy Plane

Kaitlin Lewis    Feb 23, 2024  |  4:00 PM EST

The Ukrainian Air Force said its fighters on Friday shot down a Russian A-50 military spy plane, the second of the prized aircraft that Kyiv has claimed to destroy this year.

The Beriev A-50 is an airborne early warning and control jet used by Russia to help monitor Ukraine's air defenses. The aircraft typically fly with a crew of up to 15 personnel and are estimated to cost over $300 million to produce.
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Scratch one orcish AWACS!


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2338 on: February 25, 2024, 12:13:34 pm »
Oh, Canada.  **nononono*

Justin Trudeau has announced that Canada will be spending $4 million on “Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine”.
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... Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine
Funding: $4 million
This project from the HALO Trust aims to safeguard the lives and livelihoods of Ukrainians, including women and internally displaced persons, by addressing the threat of explosive ordnance present across vast areas of the country. Project activities include conducting non-technical surveys and subsequent manual clearance in targeted communities; providing capacity building to key national stakeholders; and establishing a gender and diversity working group to promote gender-transformative mine action in Ukraine.  ...

Strengthening truth, transparency, and democracy to counter disinformation
Funding: $930,000
Canada is providing funding to Internews Ukraine to help enhance the literacy and fact-checking capabilities of Ukraine’s media in order to better counter disinformation in the country. This project includes a comprehensive skills-transfer program to enhance the capacity of Ukrainian journalists and civil society organizations to carry out fact-checking and verification; a new network of media literacy clubs across Ukraine to empower citizens to critically assess media content and identify disinformation; and a public awareness campaign on media literacy and fact-checking to help Ukrainians critically evaluate and verify information. This initiative will also address gender disparity issues in the Ukrainian media. ...
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2339 on: February 25, 2024, 03:09:39 pm »
Quote from: Jack Russell on February 25, 2024, 02:44:12 pm
Sure hard to tell what was actually happening by the video.

I'm sure Ukraine will work on the lighting in the future, but it's clear that an aircraft is deploying flares - to distract IR-guided missiles - getting hit, and burning as it falls to the ground.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2340 on: February 26, 2024, 02:17:35 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2341 on: February 26, 2024, 01:52:47 pm »
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Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.
7:53 AM · Feb 26, 2024

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CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms
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The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin
For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2342 on: February 26, 2024, 01:54:12 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2343 on: February 26, 2024, 03:17:39 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 26, 2024, 01:52:47 pm
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Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.
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CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms
https://t.co/u3v6HS1gyO
11:36 PM · Feb 25, 2024

There is no way I'm going to click on that link that may or may not be a valid news site. However, I did find the NYT article on a news site that does not have a paywall or require an email addy, https://news.yahoo.com/nyt-cia-network-bases-ukraine-123116608.html . Here's something in the article @zerohedge and @amuse did not mention:

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After the EuroMaidan Revolution in 2014, the U.S. initially distrusted Ukrainian officials and worried about "provoking the Kremlin," the NYT said.

Kondratiuk built relations with the CIA, which in 2016 agreed to help modernize Ukraine's military intelligence agency in exchange for intelligence from Ukraine, the NYT said. A red line was that the CIA would not help Ukrainian intelligence conduct lethal operations.

Context, context, context. In the 2014 EuroMaidan Revolution, Putin puppet Viktor Yanukovych got kicked out of Ukraine's Presidency. Later in 2014 Russia invaded and has since occupied Crimea. However many CIA "bases" there may be in Ukraine, they started being set up in 2016. So the context for those bases is:

* A Putin puppet-President being kicked out of office;

* The Russians invaded and occupied part of Ukraine;

* The CIA bases were forbidden to assist with lethal operations.

As the old saying goes, a text out of context is a pretext. @zerohedge and @amuse omitted totally relevant context.
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« Reply #2344 on: February 26, 2024, 03:24:38 pm »
Why @amuse believes Fiona Hill, Alexander Vindman, and Victoria Nuland should have exposed secret CIA operations to the world eludes me (assuming they knew), but I'm willing to see an explanation.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2345 on: February 26, 2024, 11:17:39 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 26, 2024, 01:52:47 pm
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Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.
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And...

Russia has built spy bases all over the world including Cuba to spy on us. So what.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2346 on: February 26, 2024, 11:22:10 pm »
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2024, 11:17:39 pm
And...

Russia has built spy bases all over the world including Cuba to spy on us. So what.

I agree!  So.  What? 
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2347 on: February 26, 2024, 11:46:07 pm »
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2024, 11:17:39 pm
And...

Russia has built spy bases all over the world including Cuba to spy on us. So what.

It's a non sequitur, but "@amuse" and "@zerohedge" were probably trying to insinuate that Putin was justified in invading Ukraine, or something like that. And yogi555 I would not resist the temptation yogi555 to call out "@amuse"'s and "@zerohedge"'s deception-by-omission.
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« Reply #2348 on: February 27, 2024, 12:00:05 am »
I believe the point was that Vindman, et al.,seem to have lied to Congress (not "to the world") when they said the CIA wasn't involved in building spy bases in Ukraine. Federal employees aren't supposed to lie to Congress.That Russia also spies on people is irrelevant and not the point.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2349 on: February 27, 2024, 01:38:58 am »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 26, 2024, 01:52:47 pm
@amuse

Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.

Don't forget to include Marie Yovanovitch in that list.
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