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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2075 on: December 16, 2023, 01:48:13 pm »
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‘Complete Annihilation’: Five Russian Battalions Went Up In Smoke And Flames Trying To Surround Avdiivka

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The Russian army has lost at least 211 armored vehicles trying, and so far failing, to surround and cut off the Ukrainian garrison in Avdiivka, just northwest of Russian-occupied Donetsk city in eastern Ukraine.

Ukrainian analysis group Frontelligence Insight scrutinized satellite imagery and verified all 211 wrecked and abandoned vehicles. Its tally aligns with a U.S. intelligence assessment, which concluded the Russians have lost 220 vehicles around Avdiivka—and 13,000 people, too.  .  .

.  .  .  The vehicle toll “surpasses Russian losses in any other single battle,” Frontelligence reported, “making it the most devastating battle for Russian forces in terms of vehicle losses.”
Losing at least 211 vehicles and 13,000 soldiers killed and wounded amounts to the “complete annihilation of five battalions,” according to Frontelligence. “This represents significant losses in both equipment and personnel, considering the achieved results.”  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/complete-annihilation-five-russian-battalions-went-up-in-smoke-and-flames-trying-to-surround-avdiivka/ar-AA1lzJy3

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It is a good  thing  for  the  neo-Soviet leadership that they have such a tight  control over the press because if all of Russia knew about how high the losses have been and how  ineffective the Neo-Soviet leadership and military  has  been,it just might be enough to spark riots in the streets,and  there is NOTHING a dictatorship fears than public uprisings against their dictatorship.

AND......,word of all these losses HAS to be passing around from mouth  to mouth via the KIA/MIA families. Even if they haven't been notified that a family member is MIA/KIA,the mere fact they are no  longer getting letters from "Young Vlad" is all the notification they really need to know things aren't going  as well for the Neo-Soviet army as they are being led to believe.

They could get by with this in the "good old days" before satellite broadcasts covered the planet,but those days are gone.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2076 on: December 16, 2023, 01:54:30 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on December 16, 2023, 11:54:26 am
Defense of Ukraine
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When you're driving a tracked combat vehicle, the weather doesn't matter.

 

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Well,yeah,it does. Tracked vehicles send out MUCH  more obvious heat signals in cold weather,and the heat-seeking devices on drones and missiles are a lot more sophisticated today than in the past.

*I* am now of the opinion that being  ordered to serve in a tank or armored car is the equivalent of a death  sentence. I don't know the exact numbers,but I am GUESSING that it is cheaper to build,ship,and launch  a drone missile these days that it is to even train a tank crewman,and when you add the cost of training the other crewmen,the tank itself,and what it cost to ship it to a combat zone,you would be money ahead to just blow it up at the factory.

NO nation can stand the economic and human impact of losses like that with  virtually no  gain whatsoever. MAYBE if the home nation were being attacked and overran it might be acceptable,but  to invade  and rule another  nation?????
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2077 on: December 16, 2023, 02:13:44 pm »
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The vast majority of these casualties are from rural areas far removed from the consciousness of Moscow or St. Petersburg.  Sure, they are having protests in Siberian towns.  But those are easily suppressed.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2078 on: December 16, 2023, 02:23:04 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2079 on: December 16, 2023, 02:28:38 pm »
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@sneakypete

The vast majority of these casualties are from rural areas far removed from the consciousness of Moscow or St. Petersburg.  Sure, they are having protests in Siberian towns.  But those are easily suppressed.

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True,but only because only  the "elites" who are trusted are even allowed to live in Moscow,and MAYBE in St.Petersburg. Not real sure about St.Petersburg,but  I  would almost bet money on it.

The thing is the only Russians that are allowed to own guns are the ones that live in the "wilderness areas",and they are the ones being drafted and killed in action.

Other than the Neo-Soviet officers,of course.

What this means is that the time is going to come,and maybe come soon,when the Neo-Soviet "recruiters" go  to  those rural areas to cull another draft of rubes,they are going to be met with gunfire. After all,if you are going to be sent out to get killed as cannon fodder anyhow,why not die at home while protecting your home?

For all WE know,this may already be happening,but thanks to the Neo-Soviet control of their press and the fact that all of it is located in cities,we may not know until and unless shooting starts in them and then moves out into surrounding small cities.

When/IF this happens,the neo-Soviets will have to decide if they are going to send their draftees into Ukraine,or into Moscow and St.Pete to fight.

For all we know,they may already be doing this in small numbers. You can bet your bippy the big city police are working hard to suppress dissent.

How ironic would it be if the neo-Soviet invasion of Ukraine led to a general uprising inside Russia?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2080 on: December 21, 2023, 07:03:32 pm »

Just saying:

How pro-Russian 'yacht' propaganda influenced US debate over Ukraine aid
https://bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67766964
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2081 on: December 21, 2023, 08:12:38 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on December 21, 2023, 07:03:32 pm
Just saying:

How pro-Russian 'yacht' propaganda influenced US debate over Ukraine aid
https://bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67766964

Any lie will do if it gets the desired outcome. And the lie is repeated often.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2082 on: December 21, 2023, 10:01:19 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on December 21, 2023, 07:03:32 pm
Just saying:

How pro-Russian 'yacht' propaganda influenced US debate over Ukraine aid
https://bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67766964

Excellent find!  I've seen that fake DC Weekly source posted everywhere, especially at TOS, supposedly proving Zelensky's grift and corruption.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2083 on: December 21, 2023, 11:04:57 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on December 21, 2023, 10:01:19 pm
Excellent find!  I've seen that fake DC Weekly source posted everywhere, especially at TOS, supposedly proving Zelensky's grift and corruption.


Z maybe crooked. I don't know. But this yacht story is crazy. I really don't think he would be that stupid to purchase these.

He has stayed with his people during this, which is more than a lot of leaders in that part of the world do. Yes he has come and "begged" for money. But what else could he do since his country and countrymen are going to be obliterated.  If I recall, when Ukraine turned over their nukes, Europe and the US signed an agreement to help against aggression. This has been overshadowed by the ME. jmho
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2084 on: December 22, 2023, 01:53:55 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on December 21, 2023, 10:01:19 pm
Excellent find!  I've seen that fake DC Weekly source posted everywhere, especially at TOS, supposedly proving Zelensky's grift and corruption.


To be honest, I have never heard of DC Weekly till now... Thank you...
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2085 on: December 23, 2023, 06:30:16 am »
Ukraine shoots down three Russian fighter jets

Timothy Sigsworth, Harriet Barber  •  12h

Ukraine shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter bombers over the southern front on Friday morning, its air force said.

Russian Telegram accounts said the aircraft were shot down by Patriot anti-aircraft missiles near Ukraine’s Kherson bridgehead over the river Dnipro.

Oleksii Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s security council, said they had been “hunting” the three jets for a “long time”.

“These aircraft interfered and created danger for our soldiers,” he said.

The Su-34 is one of Russia’s most advanced aircraft and can carry out strikes on targets up to 600 miles away with a payload of 12 tons of bombs and missiles.

Each Su-34 is reported to cost somewhere between £28 million and £39 million.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-russia-war-ukraine-shoots-down-three-russian-fighter-jets/ar-AA1lUmUD
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2086 on: December 23, 2023, 06:32:43 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on December 21, 2023, 10:01:19 pm
Excellent find!  I've seen that fake DC Weekly source posted everywhere, especially at TOS, supposedly proving Zelensky's grift and corruption.

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Let me know if you see anyone there post a story about Zelenskiy purchasing a $20 million mansion in Vero Beach, FL.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2087 on: December 23, 2023, 06:06:40 pm »
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« Reply #2088 on: December 26, 2023, 04:58:25 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2089 on: December 26, 2023, 06:00:35 pm »
Su-34 fighter jet shot down on Mariupol front and Su-30 targeted in Odesa Oblast

Ukrainska Pravda  ·  December 24, 2023  ·  2:31 PM CST



Air Force anti-aircraft gunners shot down a Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber on the Mariupol front, and another Russian aircraft was targeted on the Odesa front. Information about the damage is being verified.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/su-34-fighter-jet-shot-203151586.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2090 on: December 26, 2023, 06:04:28 pm »
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« Reply #2091 on: December 26, 2023, 09:13:00 pm »
Russian soldiers surrender to Ukraine en masse, citing 'inhumane treatment' by command

12/25/2023  |  3:37 pm

"There is more refusal to engage in conflict from the invading forces," admitted Oleksandr Shtupun, spokesperson for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Tauride direction, covering the Zaporizhzhia region and the western part of the Donetsk region.

As the spokesperson added, as quoted by the RBK-Ukraine portal, Russians are willingly submitting to Ukrainian captivity in large groups. For instance, in recent days, a group of six soldiers surrendered after a brief skirmish, while another group simply dropped their weapons without initiating any conflict.

According to the spokesperson, Russian forces stationed in Ukraine are increasingly rebelling and opting out of participation in battles due to the "inhumane treatment" they experience from their own command.
The situation between Russian soldiers and their command is incredibly tense. Shtupun reports that for refusing to participate in operations or for other military offenses, soldiers are severely punished. Commanders order them to strip naked and put them in so-called cold pits, where they are beaten and threatened with execution.  .  .

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2092 on: December 27, 2023, 05:02:21 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2093 on: December 27, 2023, 03:32:58 pm »
Imagine for a moment how this would play  for free voters in a free society,and not Putin in Putin's  communist nation.

In a free country,losing your ass and a large part of your military while invading another country that hadn't attacked your country would lead to "Maximum Leader Replacement" at a minimum,but in Russia it just leads to sending more draftees into the blood bath.

This is the difference between living in a free state and living in a police state.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2094 on: December 28, 2023, 04:23:34 am »
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« Reply #2095 on: December 28, 2023, 04:31:27 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2096 on: December 28, 2023, 04:45:48 am »
Before and After pics of the Novocherkassk

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2097 on: December 28, 2023, 03:06:16 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 28, 2023, 04:45:48 am
Before and After pics of the Novocherkassk

Yeah, that'll buff right out.   :dynamite:
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« Reply #2098 on: December 28, 2023, 04:48:00 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on December 28, 2023, 03:06:16 pm
Yeah, that'll buff right out.   :dynamite:
Maybe they can get some good ideas from this guy?

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« Reply #2099 on: December 29, 2023, 12:50:54 am »
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Yeah, that'll buff right out.

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